#EdenCooks - Kefir and Oladi Pancakes - Monday March 18, at 8pm EST!

Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
The whey can be kept in the fridge in an airtight container for a few weeks. If you get any mold, you can strain it out. As long as they whey doesn't bubble or smell bad it useful. The amount to use depends on the recipe you're following. For ... more
I can usually extract more or less whey depending on what kind of acid I curdle with... lemon juice is usually more complete than a bacterial culture in my experience.

When I collect whey that way (usually after making paneer), I boil it down for gjetost. Any of you with Swedish immigrants in your area? Man, that brown cheese the the best thing.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
The whey can be kept in the fridge in an airtight container for a few weeks. If you get any mold, you can strain it out. As long as they whey doesn't bubble or smell bad it useful. The amount to use depends on the recipe you're following. For ... more
This is just added insurance that the correct microbes are in abundance when you do lacto fermented veggies. Of, course the salt is used to make an inhospitable enviro for bad microbes. Technically, the microbes exist on the veggies, but as a beginner & maybe someone who doesn't grow her own organic produce, I would recommend hedging your bets.
03/18/2013
Contributor: bog bog
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Originally posted by Kristi :)
Any suggestions for making a flavor kafir?
I use mine mostly in cooking - I let it get sour, and then add it to everything from pasta sauce to marinade for chicken (it's like yogurt chicken.)

Just a pinch of cardamom is great to flavor it as a drink, or blended with whatever fresh fruit you have in the house. Of course, fresh mint from the garden is pretty good, too
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
I'm sorry if I'm going too fast... I typed this meeting up into a different word processor, and I apparently had no concept of how long each section was getting Let me know when you're caught up.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Lildrummrgurl7 Lildrummrgurl7
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Originally posted by bog
I use mine mostly in cooking - I let it get sour, and then add it to everything from pasta sauce to marinade for chicken (it's like yogurt chicken.)

Just a pinch of cardamom is great to flavor it as a drink, or blended with whatever fresh ... more
Ohhhh fresh mint. Sounds delicious. I'm a fan of flavored yogurt and kefir so that sounds delicious.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Antipova
I'm sorry if I'm going too fast... I typed this meeting up into a different word processor, and I apparently had no concept of how long each section was getting Let me know when you're caught up.
Thanks I need a few minutes as I was typing my replies
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
This is just added insurance that the correct microbes are in abundance when you do lacto fermented veggies. Of, course the salt is used to make an inhospitable enviro for bad microbes. Technically, the microbes exist on the veggies, but as a ... more
Organic produce still has microbes... (unless I misunderstood you, but regardless)

I'm excited to try this out. I haven't eaten fermented veggies (other than kimchee) before so I hope they taste good!
03/18/2013
Contributor: surreptitious surreptitious
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Originally posted by Antipova
I'm sorry if I'm going too fast... I typed this meeting up into a different word processor, and I apparently had no concept of how long each section was getting Let me know when you're caught up.
Since this is all really new for me, I'm definitely saving it all to a word document because I am going to need to go back over it a few times. I'm caught up on reading through, though, and at least everything is making sense!
03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
forgot to mention room temp is all you need for the lacto fermented veggies
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by bog
I use mine mostly in cooking - I let it get sour, and then add it to everything from pasta sauce to marinade for chicken (it's like yogurt chicken.)

Just a pinch of cardamom is great to flavor it as a drink, or blended with whatever fresh ... more
Ooh, you saying cardamom inspires me to try rose water, too. Like lassi.

And I think I have access to some orange blossom water, since I corrupted a friend into making orange aniseseed challah rolls... subtle flavors seem like they'd be really nice.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by bog
This is the Sally Fallon (Nourishing Traditions) method.

Sandor Katz's method involves only saltwater. Check out Wild Fermentation
got then both
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by surreptitious
Since this is all really new for me, I'm definitely saving it all to a word document because I am going to need to go back over it a few times. I'm caught up on reading through, though, and at least everything is making sense!
Cool! If you want a copy of my posts, just let me know by PM and I will email it to you.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

So you've got kefir up to your ears! I usually drink about 8 oz of kefir a day with a little bit of fruit syrup for sweetness and flavor... but I make a quart every two days. So there is a lot of extra that gets made! After you strain kefir you can keep it in a jar in the fridge where it won't thicken too much more. When my storage jar gets full I will usually make some kefir pancakes, which are tasty when fresh off the griddle, but also make a good snack later.
Kefir is native to eastern Europe, so I make my kefir pancakes in the thick Russian style---oladi.
03/18/2013
Contributor: bog bog
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Originally posted by Antipova

Pour your quart of kefir into a fine strainer (or into a cheesecloth, if you like) with a large enough container underneath to catch everything.


Obviously a little different from the milk you started with!
If you like your kefir ... more
& that's a wonderful warning, because my cat goes absolutely bonkers over fresh sour kefir, and he'd be happy to tip it over and take the punishment if it meant he got to drink an entire mason jar full.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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The recipe is very simple---as befits a breakfast meal, when you just want to eat and get your day going. You will need

1 egg
1 cup kefir
1 Tbsp sugar
1.5 cups flour
1 tsp baking soda
fruit (apples and strawberries shown here)
and a high-smoke-point oil to grease your griddle. (Don't actually use corn oil---my griddle is pre-oiled because it's cast iron, and I just grabbed the closest oil bottle in the fridge for the photo op. A better choice for frying is canola oil or safflower oil.)

03/18/2013
Contributor: bog bog
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Originally posted by Antipova
I can usually extract more or less whey depending on what kind of acid I curdle with... lemon juice is usually more complete than a bacterial culture in my experience.

When I collect whey that way (usually after making paneer), I boil it down ... more
You've MADE that?! That is so awesome!! Is it difficult, would you recommend it, and is it as sweet and caramel-tasting as the kind in the little square?
03/18/2013
Contributor: surreptitious surreptitious
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Originally posted by Antipova
Cool! If you want a copy of my posts, just let me know by PM and I will email it to you.
Thank you! I will see what my copy-paste is looking like at the end.
03/18/2013
Contributor: ZZ ZZ
Just for clarification, does the kefir eventually go bad? Or can you just keep using it?
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by bog
You've MADE that?! That is so awesome!! Is it difficult, would you recommend it, and is it as sweet and caramel-tasting as the kind in the little square?
YES it is as sweet, YES it is as caramel-tasting... mine never becomes as firm, so it is spread-able instead of slice-able. But I don't care, it's delicious! I followed tips from Fankhauser's cheesemaking page originally, I think... but you will work the details out with a little experimenting link
03/18/2013
Contributor: ZZ ZZ
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Originally posted by Antipova
YES it is as sweet, YES it is as caramel-tasting... mine never becomes as firm, so it is spread-able instead of slice-able. But I don't care, it's delicious! I followed tips from Fankhauser's cheesemaking page originally, I think... but ... more
looks like a good resource, definitely going to read through it later
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by ZZ
Just for clarification, does the kefir eventually go bad? Or can you just keep using it?
Good question. The kefir grains are good forever as long as you keep giving them fresh milk. If you left them with no new food for a long time, they would die.

The kefir-that-you're-goin g-to-drink, I try to have it used up in a week or less, when kept at fridge temperature. It can last much longer than regular milk, though, because all the good bacteria don't leave any room for bad bacteria. Still, trust your nose.
03/18/2013
Contributor: surreptitious surreptitious
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Originally posted by Antipova
YES it is as sweet, YES it is as caramel-tasting... mine never becomes as firm, so it is spread-able instead of slice-able. But I don't care, it's delicious! I followed tips from Fankhauser's cheesemaking page originally, I think... but ... more
I've been looking in to a whole bunch of new kinds of cheese lately, and there are some seriously interesting things out there!
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

Strain your kefir, as shown above.
Mix dry ingredients into a bowl, making sure to incorporate the baking powder fully. (There is nothing worse than a bite of pancake with a bitter lump of baking powder in it. Fortunately, that never really happens as long as you don't use pre-mixed powders like Bisquick... but I always mix well just to be sure.


Add the kefir and stir it in.


Lightly beat the eggs in a separate cup, then add them.



Mix the batter until it is uniform.

03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Antipova
Organic produce still has microbes... (unless I misunderstood you, but regardless)

I'm excited to try this out. I haven't eaten fermented veggies (other than kimchee) before so I hope they taste good!
I meant, not everyone has produce that they know is organic, if you do, then you have a better chance of success without the whey. The whey is just a cheat, like using commercial cultures, you're making sure you will overwhelm bad microbes with good. And if you have whey, why not use it? That said, if I don't have it, I have never had any problem with just using salt. But it's nice to make use of something you would otherwise throw out, no? Some people drink the whey.
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by surreptitious
I've been looking in to a whole bunch of new kinds of cheese lately, and there are some seriously interesting things out there!
My other resource, when I was just beginning, was the website for Fias Co. Farms, where the lady keeps goats. She had links to buy cultures for roqueforts and other fun things, since obviously you can't get those at a grocery store, and cheesemakers are more protective than kefir-makers
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
I meant, not everyone has produce that they know is organic, if you do, then you have a better chance of success without the whey. The whey is just a cheat, like using commercial cultures, you're making sure you will overwhelm bad microbes with ... more
Aaaaah, got it!
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova

Heat your skillet well---add a little bit of oil, in the Russian fashion. (My mom always made pancakes on a dry skillet. The difference winds up being a light crispiness when there is oil used. It's tasty and stands up well to fruit syrups (because fruit syrups are usually pretty wet, the way I make them, and mom's style pancakes can get soaked).
Spoon/pour your batter onto the sweet spots on your griddle. (Mine is just heated by my gas stove, so there are only really two places that cook well. If you have an electric skillet, the heat is probably more evenly distributed and you can make six at a time.)


Flip them over to let them become golden brown on each side. Repeat until all your batter has been transformed into oladi.
03/18/2013
Contributor: bog bog
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Originally posted by Antipova
YES it is as sweet, YES it is as caramel-tasting... mine never becomes as firm, so it is spread-able instead of slice-able. But I don't care, it's delicious! I followed tips from Fankhauser's cheesemaking page originally, I think... but ... more
Oh, wow! Six hours! You have some serious dedication! & I have a serious love for sweet cheese.. spreadable gjetost sounds like
03/18/2013
Contributor: Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Antipova

Heat your skillet well---add a little bit of oil, in the Russian fashion. (My mom always made pancakes on a dry skillet. The difference winds up being a light crispiness when there is oil used. It's tasty and stands up well to fruit syrups ... more
Oh this looks so good!
03/18/2013
Contributor: Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by bog
Oh, wow! Six hours! You have some serious dedication! & I have a serious love for sweet cheese.. spreadable gjetost sounds like
I also have a hot-plate, and when I made this a lot I was a grad student, so nobody cared what went on in our office I just stirred while I worked...
03/18/2013