Packaging?

Bill Ditchburn Bill Ditchburn
I don’t like packaging. I particularly don’t like clamshell packaging; smooth clear plastic boxes designed to be used once and thrown away. Back in the day when 90% of our customers were leather fetish stores, none of them wanted packaging, so it wasn’t an issue. Since then, we’ve expanded our customer base into more mainstream sex shops, and storeowners won’t buy gear if it’s not packaged to the max, so reluctantly, we do use it.

The general consensus among storeowners is that it’s the packaging that sells the product, so inferior products can outsell better ones if they’re more snappily packaged. When I think of the extent to which we have had our brains scrambled and served back to us for breakfast by marketing departments, I invariably find myself slowly banging my head against the wall and repeating “make it stop make it stop”

Part of it is that packaging makes products slightly less informally removable from stores. Part is that really nice packaging does look good, though for my money there’s not so much of that in this industry. And part of it is undeniably the fact that the only way some products are ever going to sell is if they’re hidden in a cardboard box with a picture of something else on the outside!

I really like the system they have in Germany, where any retailer who sells packaged goods has to be prepared to recycle the packaging. So customers will unwrap and de-box their purchases at the store, and drop the debris in the recycling bins provided.

Eden Fantasys, to their undying credit, have indicated that they are happy to receive product in little plastic baggies, which you can then use as sandwich bags, or doggie litter bags. That works here because there’s so much peer review and comparison that you just can’t do with regular old stores. But what do you think? How important is packaging? Does it sell the product? Are we, as well as not buying the steak, only buying an mp3 of the sizzle?
10/23/2009
Saraid Saraid
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Originally posted by Bill Ditchburn
I don’t like packaging. I particularly don’t like clamshell packaging; smooth clear plastic boxes designed to be used once and thrown away. Back in the day when 90% of our customers were leather fetish stores, none of them wanted packaging, so it ... More
I personally prefer either plastic ziplops I can reuse of storage boxes (LELO, njoy) that can be used to keep the toy in. Other packaging I hate.
10/23/2009
LiftedUp LiftedUp
I agree very much with what you are saying Bill. In my opinion, packaging serves many negative purposes including (but not limited to) increased waste product, increased merchandise prices, shielding to hide/mislead/or distract from what actually may be inside the packaging, take up space, etc... Rather I am a big fan of products that simply come in a plastic bag, or products that come in a QUALITY package that can serve as a nice storage/display case ("njoy" products for example), or are bland enough that they can be repurposed for something else. Unfortunately, the majority of the products available in this market do not seem to fit this mold.
10/23/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
When ordering online, I could care less about the packaging--if my product comes in good condition, that's all I care about! However, when browsing in a store, I like to see products that are well-packaged because it looks "nicer" and it makes me feel better when I buy it. I can't explain why it has that effect on me. Packaging also makes me feel like my purchase is "clean", even though you should always clean a toy before using it.

Packaging I hate: sharp plastic boxes that are utterly useless and take up a lot of space when thrown away, hard-to-open boxes, CLAMSHELL PACKAGING, packaging that hides the product completely.

Packaging I love: practical reusable containers (I don't have room for a fancy display box, just a drawstring baggie will do, thanks), packaging that lets you easily see what you're getting.
10/23/2009
Bill Ditchburn Bill Ditchburn
One of the things I especially hate about clamshells, on a purely personal level, is the unbelievably savage "paper" cuts they give you. I have learned to be incredibly careful handling these ba*t*r*s, particularly in the way they like to insinuate themselves under the fingernails and then slide sideways!!
10/23/2009
Kaijah Kaijah
Personally, my favorite packaging is always the really simple kind. Like Tantus' - just the clear baggie and the stapled on cardboard top. You can tell if its been messed with (to ease all us paranoid people), and reuse the baggie to store the toy. I've also gotten a few impact toys from a smaller company that shipped them wrapped in tissue paper in the shipping box - and that was totally fine for me. I can't save each individual box to store the toys anyway - I don't live in a warehouse, here!

I totally agree on hating the clamshells, I NEVER fail to destroy my hands opening those things. Generally anything that comes in a little plastic case, and then a cardboard cover over that just seems wasteful. I never save any of it, so... what's the point? The super fancy packaging/storage boxes from LELO or nJoy are neither here nor there for me. I understand why they made them, and they're quality reusable boxes, so they work.

I guess I think the product should be able to sell itself, and not rely on the packaging or irrelevant model pictures. P:
10/23/2009
Lara Lara
Personally, I think the psychology of the packaging plays a non-trivial part in how I look at a toy. Clever packaging doesn't compensate for a lackluster product, but the marketing component can morph a good product into a transcendent one. Rather than provide an example of an instance where the packaging clearly failed (because I'm sure we can all think of plenty in that arena), I'll provide one where it really, really worked... Leatherbeaten's cock leash.

There's any number of ways to approach a cock leash. It can be tawdry (I'm sooooo dirty), elegant (I have sophisticated sex), alternative (I have hipster sex) and on and on. Leatherbeaten's choice in how to approach it was, frankly, as about as close to genius as I've ever seen with a sex toy. Someone in marketing deserves mad props for that one.

The moment I saw the cock leash I thought to myself, "this is going to be a whole hell of a lot of fun." As mentioned above, there were a whole range of other thoughts that could have raced through my head. They didn't. What could have been vulgar became whimsical. What might have one day been the subject of conversation with a therapist became an expression of joy. You see this lightness with a lot of Fun Factory products. Lover's Choice is good example of accessible elegance.

Toys shouldn't live or die by packaging alone, but it does set the tone and that's pretty darned important - both before the choice to buy the product is made and the attitude one has towards the toy and one's own body when actually using it.
10/23/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by LiftedUp
I agree very much with what you are saying Bill. In my opinion, packaging serves many negative purposes including (but not limited to) increased waste product, increased merchandise prices, shielding to hide/mislead/or distract from what actually ... More
This is my feeling too--- if it isn't a high-quality box or something that can be used for storage later, then just bag it and tag it.
And I absolutely detest those plastic clamshell packagings!
10/23/2009
Sir Sir
Personally, I only like extraordinary packaging for vibrators, dildos, anal beads, or things of that nature. And I agree with the plastic - if it's not nice for storage, why make it? Generally, I will sometimes keep it just for storage purposes, or I'll recycle it. I also agree with you, Bill, that they're a pain to open. Very aggravating.

For my leather products, like floggers, whips, all of that, I like hanging them up or setting them on shelves in my dungeon. I like having them out where I can see them and easily get to them.
10/23/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
I'm not a big fan of clamshell or blister packs but my experience with bags has been kind of lame. I've never had a plastic bag sealed and that's kind of important. On more than one occasion, I've had a toy fly out of its bag during delivery. I don't mind plastic as long as it's completely sealed so stapling cardboard to the top misses the mark, slightly. I've never gotten anything in a ziploc style bag but I suppose that'd be okay. With that said, I'd like at least one sheet of paper or something with info. I once got something in an open plastic bag that had NO info at all, not even a UPC sticker. That made me uncomfortable.
10/23/2009
SilverVixen SilverVixen
I tend to think clamshell packaging comes off a little cheap. I'm probably a bad person for favoring 'non-recyclable' packages but a catchy tin similar to Tantus's high end cock ring tins, or even the plastic bottles used to house the Evolved Bottle Rockets line are super cool. I also love products that are packaged in something that can double as storage for the item. I guess packages that are "hard to throw away" serve dual purposes, they look good, they have functionality and they also make an attractive addition (wow-factor) to a stand alone gift. Even neat, clean, brown corrugated cardboard boxes made to look worn or rustic (with a cellophane viewing window to show the product inside) then "branded" with a logo would be a step up from typical clamshells.
10/23/2009
J's Alley J's Alley
I love packaging! Sorry, just me. Now, on that note...I am not a fan of packaging if it is the clamshell. I always wind up cussing and arguing and I hate it. I honestly prefer a nice package that can be used again later. If it isn't in that packaging, then a sealed plastic bag with a small paper note is great for me.

I only like packaging if I am in a physical store though. If I am ordering online the packaging makes no difference to me at all. I hope that all made sense?
10/23/2009
Sir Sir
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Originally posted by J's Alley
I love packaging! Sorry, just me. Now, on that note...I am not a fan of packaging if it is the clamshell. I always wind up cussing and arguing and I hate it. I honestly prefer a nice package that can be used again later. If it isn't in that ... More
I agree with that, and it made perfect sense to me.
10/23/2009
Purple Foxglove Purple Foxglove
I appreciate a well presented product. And when toys (especially of softer/more pliant materials) come with a drawstring baggie I tend to be impressed. But, (even if it looks really cool) if the packaging isn't something I can use long-term, what's the point? I'm just going to throw it out anyway. And if there's a lot of it (ie: the dreaded clamshell) it's just going to take up more space in the trash. Eco-friendly packaging impresses me too, so where that's concerned, less is more.

For me, a clear plastic bag with very concise instructions/info, and some kind of storage baggie, would be the perfect packaging.
10/23/2009
Bill Ditchburn Bill Ditchburn
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Originally posted by Lara
Personally, I think the psychology of the packaging plays a non-trivial part in how I look at a toy. Clever packaging doesn't compensate for a lackluster product, but the marketing component can morph a good product into a transcendent one. ... More
Thanks for the compliment Lara, that, er, (blushes) was me... When we decided to produce stuff for the more mainstream stores, we had to think long and hard (fnar fnar) about packaging. We knew we didn't want to go tawdry, and we haven't and we won't. An early idea was to package our little bdsm sets with an ongoing cartoon, depicting events in and around the fictional town of Sinville. I think Sir reviewed our Leather Cuffs set, the packaging of which still features one of those original designs. The basic concept was that Sinville is a very open minded town powered by energy harnessed from citizens orgasms. The town draws the equivalent of 100,000 rhinoceros orgasms/hour; as a result, the people are, shall we say, pretty active.... But there's a problem: puritan extremist groups are determined to smash the system and replace the sexual power source with one based on guilt and shame. On that package, one of the extremists has been captured sneaking into Sinville to blow up a generator, and is being questioned by Honeytoes, the assistant district attorney. To cut a rather long and somewhat tragic story short, the stores didn't like the packaging, didn't get it, so we had to change most of them. The leather cuffs packaging survived because it's a bit lubricious. Also the Trick Belt and Thumbcuffs inserts/tags feature a page torn from the Sinville Department of Corrections equipment manual, demonstrating the uses of particular devices in an agent's arsenal. My favourite, the strap-on harness one in which the lady mayor (based on our own lovely mayor here in Peterborough) is giving a power point presentation to the city clerk, however, didn't survive, however ...

The cock leash set came about with us trying to brainstorm more whimsical, allusive ways of depicting the product without just coming out and slapping a blokes dick all over it. I was put in mind of the Madelaine books I'd read as a kid; French children's books with really nice light illustrations, and all these elegant Parisians wandering around, often with strange looking dogsof various shapes and sizes. An illustrator friend of ours did the artwork, and for Sir's benefit - the cat on the leather cuffs set that intrigued you is her cat, Wiggle.
10/26/2009
Bill Ditchburn Bill Ditchburn
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
This is my feeling too--- if it isn't a high-quality box or something that can be used for storage later, then just bag it and tag it.
And I absolutely detest those plastic clamshell packagings!
I wish you guys owned the stores!!!
10/26/2009
gone77 gone77
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I could give a rat's ass about packaging. I can admire nice packaging for all of 5 seconds and then I'm over it. lol Tacky packaging doesn't phase me in the least. I might laugh at it but that's about it. To be honest, I find reviews that make a big deal out of a product's packaging (whether praising or hating it) to be ones I'm less likely to want to finish reading. But I do my best to persevere. lol
10/26/2009
Gary Gary
If I had to stop and think about a products packaging, I would either opt for something re-usable, or for something as minimal as possible.

But... I think that visual side of packaging makes an impression on you before you even realize it. The packaging can tell your brain a story that has nothing to do with anything, but all of the sudden that product is now the one you trust over the others. If you are not sure about the others, you are more likely to buy this one. I know I've done this (I am a sucker for cutesy packaging).

On a side note, Sinville sounds badass!
10/27/2009
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