Glass Trivia

Adam Burns Adam Burns
I have two butt plugs--one in each hand.
extremely close dimensionally...only difference is one is made of tubing (hollow) and one is made from solid rod. What's the difference?

Answer: 1.3 ounces.

What may surprise you......

The plug made from tubing weighs more
10/14/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
Quote:
Originally posted by Adam Burns
I have two butt plugs--one in each hand.
extremely close dimensionally...only difference is one is made of tubing (hollow) and one is made from solid rod. What's the difference?

Answer: 1.3 ounces.

What may surprise ... More
Ok, I'll bite. How the heck is that possible?
10/14/2009
Laura Ricklin Laura Ricklin
Very thought provoking! I too am waiting to hear the answer to your question Luacious Lily.
10/14/2009
Laura Ricklin Laura Ricklin
Just noticed I typed your name wrong, Luscious Lily. I need more coffee. Sorry!
10/14/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
OK. Here is how this works. The toy that is hollow started off as a very large diameter piece of hollow glass (heavier than the solid rod). Does anyone remember ShrinkyDinks as kids??? Well, theoretically we are are doing the same thing here. We are shrinking the tube with heat until it reaches our desired size. We aren't actually losing any weight, rather just manipulating the glass in a way where the final product is smaller in appearance. What is a tube? Well, simply a piece of glass with a hole through the middle. The answer threw everyone off due to misconception. When one pictures a hollow tube, the brain immediately assumes that it is just in a sense a thin-walled outline of glass, defining a bunch of dead air space. This isn't always the case. Looks can be deceiving...and this was a perfect example.
10/14/2009
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
OK. Here is how this works. The toy that is hollow started off as a very large diameter piece of hollow glass (heavier than the solid rod). Does anyone remember ShrinkyDinks as kids??? Well, theoretically we are are doing the same thing here. We ... More
Very interesting! I don't really know much at all about the glass process, and I love to understand how things work. Thanks for inside scoop! Any more glass trivia?
10/14/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
OK. Here is how this works. The toy that is hollow started off as a very large diameter piece of hollow glass (heavier than the solid rod). Does anyone remember ShrinkyDinks as kids??? Well, theoretically we are are doing the same thing here. We ... More
That is WAY cool! I didn't know you could shrink glass like that! When a hollow glass tube goes through a shaping process like this, what happens to that hole through the middle? Does it get smaller, does it fill in, does it distort? Do you end up with holes on both ends of the toy, or are they closed?
10/14/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
Wow, that was pretty awesome. Thanks for the interesting thought to chew on
10/14/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Luscious Lily
That is WAY cool! I didn't know you could shrink glass like that! When a hollow glass tube goes through a shaping process like this, what happens to that hole through the middle? Does it get smaller, does it fill in, does it distort? Do you end up ... More
Well, Luscious Lily, the original space becomes smaller because the glass walls become thicker, or heavier as it is commonly referred. I guess technically it would be considered distortion, but the distortion is kept consistent with the shape of the toy, so in a sense it is a controlled distortion. We like to seal our toys shut with glass, although this isn't necessary to create a safe toy--it's really just the manufacturer's preference.
10/14/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Gary
Very interesting! I don't really know much at all about the glass process, and I love to understand how things work. Thanks for inside scoop! Any more glass trivia?
I will keep them coming Gary..I'm glad you found the post interesting
10/14/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
Well, Luscious Lily, the original space becomes smaller because the glass walls become thicker, or heavier as it is commonly referred. I guess technically it would be considered distortion, but the distortion is kept consistent with the shape of the ... More
Thanks! There was a bit of an fuss a while back over unsealed toys, based on the argument that it was unsanitary, because while fluids could get in, they couldn't easily be cleaned out. So now I'm curious: why isn't it necessary to seal the toy to make it safe?
10/19/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Luscious Lily
Thanks! There was a bit of an fuss a while back over unsealed toys, based on the argument that it was unsanitary, because while fluids could get in, they couldn't easily be cleaned out. So now I'm curious: why isn't it necessary to seal the toy to ... More
Another great question, ,which I will address in two parts. First, a lot of the discussions surrounding glass are those of safety concern. We are dealing with two main issues, 1) structural integrity (is this thing going to break?) and 2) is this product hygienic? Now...we all know (or should know by now) that any non-porous material (glass, metal, TRUE silicone , sealed wood and wood-blends) is going to be safer hygienically...well simply because there is no place for bacteria to hide under the surface. With regards to cleaning glass items..there are several simple ways to sanitize..the easiest being warm water and anti-bacterial handsoap...A hollow toy can be just as easily cleaned in my opinion...just more surface to cover as hollow means you now have twice as much surface to clean. So having said that, if you are cleaning your toys with water and soap, just make sure the water gets inside and you allow it time to breath and airdry...I'd honestly be more concerned about hard water spots than germs.
10/19/2009
Darling Dove Darling Dove
The issue with this, of course, is that in many cases the holes are not big enough to readily allow water in and out. Mostly, only hollow glass sleeves are easily washable inside and out.
10/19/2009
Darling Dove Darling Dove
Hollow glass sleeves being a product you seem to have an issue with, safety wise. In any case I have seen the holes left in other hollow products are too small, and trapped water, darkness, and warmth is all you need for a lovely bacterial cocktail.
If you suggest air drying, I think the time required to do so to such a quantity of water would be exorbitant. Once water gets in, its hard to get out. You'd either have to heat the toy and boil the water out, use a syringe to force air in to get the water out, or wait days or weeks with a dry, hot environment for the water to naturally evaporate, during which time the water could still cultivate bacteria which could STILL be left on the toy when the water was gone. Unless the hole left behind is large enough to easily allow washing and rinsing, it's really not possible.
10/19/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
Some good points.. and yes, I do suggest air drying. If drying time is of an urgent concern to anyone, I would go with a sealed toy for sure. The question that was asked of me is one regarding hygiene and my response was precise and was answered with accuracy.
10/19/2009
carnivalesq carnivalesq
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
I have two butt plugs--one in each hand.
extremely close dimensionally...only difference is one is made of tubing (hollow) and one is made from solid rod. What's the difference?

Answer: 1.3 ounces.

What may surprise ... More
I have a toy by a company I'm not going to mention though I'm sure some people know, and it's latticino and hollow, with a hole on one end that was plugged with silicone but the plug came out. Water leaks in, slowly, but the hole is too small to rinse out the inner part and let the water drain out again.

It is my sincere feeling that this toy is not safe, because water gets in and stays in. Regardless of the material of the toy, standing water inside something and the inability to clean it make me not want to use something again.
10/20/2009
Kevin Kroldart Kevin Kroldart
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Originally posted by carnivalesq
I have a toy by a company I'm not going to mention though I'm sure some people know, and it's latticino and hollow, with a hole on one end that was plugged with silicone but the plug came out. Water leaks in, slowly, but the hole is too small to ... More
Oh yes, this toy again. Well I've seen your video, the one that was reposted by another glass company I'm sure we all know, on Twitter. And yes it does look like it would be a pain to clean. With your concerns about this toy I'd probably just throw it out. I'm sure it didn't set you back financially to terribly bad. Considering the prices of some toys out there on the market.



Glass, ceramic, stainless steel are some of the only toys you can sterilize 100%. Personally, I would be more concerned about other materials that can't be cleaned properly entering my body.
10/20/2009
Kevin Kroldart Kevin Kroldart
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Originally posted by Kevin Kroldart
Oh yes, this toy again. Well I've seen your video, the one that was reposted by another glass company I'm sure we all know, on Twitter. And yes it does look like it would be a pain to clean. With your concerns about this toy I'd probably just throw ... More
A suggestion for your hollow toy... Try pure rubbing alcohol. It should evaporate completely and clan your toy. Problem solved.
10/20/2009
Kevin Kroldart Kevin Kroldart
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Originally posted by Kevin Kroldart
A suggestion for your hollow toy... Try pure rubbing alcohol. It should evaporate completely and clan your toy. Problem solved.
Sorry clean your toy.
10/20/2009
Victoria Victoria
Before everyone gets all riled up in a chat room somewhere and starts posting on this thread at 2 in the morning - let it be clear that Adam and Kevin are trying to SHARE INFORMATION here. They are explaining exactly how products are made, and opening themselves up to questions. It is obvious to me that they are talking from their own experience and giving advice based on their own practices.

This thread was started for everyone, to learn more about glass toys.

Maybe you've been blowing glass for over 8 years and are eager to talk to people about your passion, maybe you don't wanna use rubbing alcohol to clean a toy that is essentially defective and should be thrown away, maybe you love glass finger sleeves, maybe you'll be respectful to some guys that are trying to be helpful. Huh, maybe.
10/20/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
I would like to add to this thread...in an effort to keep the topic from simply shifting to a different online community...and additionally encourage other contributors to speak up...If you want to be heard, we need to hear your voices..here on EdenFantasys. It is probably the most well designed platform of its kind, and many people have worked endless hours and I'm sure have spent many sleepless nights trying to get this thing off the ground. It is being abused and misused, and quite discouraging to the creators and those who are actively contributing, in the way it was intended. Several of you have made implications, even some direct statements that we are biased towards, or even in favor of particular glass brands. This not the case...we speak from experience and are experts in this niche market....providing our professional opinions. Please remember that this is BUSINESS for us. I understand that for many of the contributors here on EdenLink, this is simply a "blogging" hobby. For the manufacturers and people that work here, this is real life business. We have families, kids, daily business that simply doesn't always allow us the time to "live" on this forum. I, personally, have been trying my best to take the extra time, maybe time better spent with my 4 year old daughter, but regardless have taken the time because we care and are obligated as responsible business owners and employees. So, I would like to respectfully ask everyone that if a topic is started, or a discussion opened, let's keep focus. And...let's keep everyone here on Edenlink. I respect everyone's freedom of speech, but there is a time and place for it...it's a shame that's it's not probably going to stop here, but let's keep it away from Edenfantasys. I don't think that is too much to ask from any of us. We are all adults here, on a mature, adult website designed for those over the age of 18. Let's start acting like it
10/20/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
And on that note, I'm going to go back to being nosy. ^__^

So, using hollow tubing vs solid rods yields toys of very different weights. Now I understand why 2 similar toys, both made of borosilicate glass, can end up feeling so different in heft. Would using different initial thicknesses of glass tubes give you pieces of the same approximate size and shape, but weighing different amounts? If so, you could theoretically make an array of toys of similar sizes, but varying weights.
10/20/2009
Victoria Victoria
Does PSI have anything to do with glass blowing? Air pressure and heat or just heat and positioning - how do you shape and shrink the pieces?
10/20/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
OK. Here is how this works. The toy that is hollow started off as a very large diameter piece of hollow glass (heavier than the solid rod). Does anyone remember ShrinkyDinks as kids??? Well, theoretically we are are doing the same thing here. We ... More
Do you have pictures of this? Or the process? Would be interesting to see, I think. How small does that hole wind up at the end?
10/20/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Do you have pictures of this? Or the process? Would be interesting to see, I think. How small does that hole wind up at the end?
We don't have any pictures that can clearly show the size of a hole inside of a hollow design (as our pieces are sealed shut with a colored glass). And..we only have one product right now that is hollow. There is a special lens that can go over a camera which would allow us to document..just as a glass artist needs to protect the human eye with special lenses and minimize visual distortion from the flame, the same goes for a camera lens as it operates the same way. unfortunately that lens is still on my wishlist! I can tell you, however, that the thickness of the wall can reach as much as 3/4". There are toys out there made of glass, solid rod glass toys that are made of 3/4", so durability, most importantly lack thereof; is not a concern of ours. Last year we were faced with some potential legal challenges..so we designed a complete line of very durable hollow products to keep the business going in the event of a cease and desist order. Well, Karma is a beautiful thing, and we didn't have to resort to changing our traditional manufacturing techniques...not to mention the way we were making the hollow pieces was very time consuming and costly.
10/20/2009
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Luscious Lily
And on that note, I'm going to go back to being nosy. ^__^

So, using hollow tubing vs solid rods yields toys of very different weights. Now I understand why 2 similar toys, both made of borosilicate glass, can end up feeling so different in ... More
You win the award, Luscious Lily, for challenging questions. Here is my answer..the best way I can put it because this is a tough one to respond to. Again, this depends on the company making the product, and quite frankly the product itself...assuming it's properly made. To answer your question .."would using different initial thicknesses of glass tubes give you pieces of the same approximate size and shape, but weighing different amounts? First, the thicker the glass, the heavier it's going to be--period (tubing or rod). Regarding size and dimensions, it's really all about how the artist has manipulated or shaped the glass and what specific techniques he/she has used to reach the desired form. Many products look the same by the time you guys see them, but that doesn't mean that they were made using the same techniques (I also believe I just answered another question from last week regarding the wide variance in costs of glass.) There are time consuming steps that can be skipped on certain products (XHale obviously doesn't, otherwise we would be able to offer the $50 retail pieces..I've even had an open discussion with Kevin about "time savers", but he simply won't allow it.) There is machinery that can be used to replace traditional hand labor, molds that I believe are now being used that can really cut down on TIME...which is the most expensive part of glass toy manufacture.

Now making an array of toys of similar sizes, but varying weights...yes it can be done as I've shown one example with my trivia question...but like I had said there comes a point when the labor is just too intense...we would have products that would look gorgeous, but unfortunately would collect dust because they would be too expensive.

I have personally always been envious of metal brands like Njoy and their ability to actually have varying "feelings" of weight within the actual product itself.
10/20/2009
Kevin Kroldart Kevin Kroldart
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Originally posted by Victoria
Does PSI have anything to do with glass blowing? Air pressure and heat or just heat and positioning - how do you shape and shrink the pieces?
PSI means pounds per square inch. It's basically the pressure the gases are at when they are released to the torch. Lampworking (glass blowing) uses compressed oxygen and comressed propane for its torches. Certain torches need a certain PSI settings to operate correctly. Once these are set, you wouldn't change them.
You would adjust the torch for varying temperatures.

You can (shrink) condense hollow tubing by heating and melting the glass. When the glass is soft enough you can gather it with gravity and pushing it together. Or marvering it (rolling glass over a steel or graphit tool or surface) to shape and get desired thickness you're looking for.
10/20/2009
Kevin Kroldart Kevin Kroldart
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Do you have pictures of this? Or the process? Would be interesting to see, I think. How small does that hole wind up at the end?
I'm looking into putting a video together showing what goes into the making of one of our toys. It wouldn't be a hollow toy since it's not really our thing. Look for it in about three weeks.
10/20/2009
Laura Ricklin Laura Ricklin
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Originally posted by Kevin Kroldart
I'm looking into putting a video together showing what goes into the making of one of our toys. It wouldn't be a hollow toy since it's not really our thing. Look for it in about three weeks.
Kevin and Adam are awesome. They really go into detail when explaining the glass process and doing a video, above and beyond! I personally can't wait to see what goes into making their beautiful glass pieces!
10/20/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
You win the award, Luscious Lily, for challenging questions. Here is my answer..the best way I can put it because this is a tough one to respond to. Again, this depends on the company making the product, and quite frankly the product ... More
I figured it wouldn't be practical or someone would have exploited it already, but I'm always curious about how things might work theoretically. Blame the scientist in me, hahah.

That's really awesome, though. Thanks for answering so many questions, you and Kevin both! I'm really looking forward to seeing that video on the making of a toy now.
10/20/2009
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