#EdenUpdate - Expectations of Conduct

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#EdenUpdate - Expectations of Conduct

meitman meitman
Sounds good to me. Keep up the good work Eden!
03/31/2012
js250 js250
I just saw the added points from administrators for good conduct....this might do a lot more good for those who have cluttered the forums up than anything else could!! Great idea guys!!
03/31/2012
LusciousLollypop LusciousLollypop
I am so glad you posted this. I am excited about the new changes and I hope it helps the community more. Sounds amazing. You guys did a great job in creating more love in EF.
03/31/2012
Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
Although I am very new to EoC, I am very happy to see that as the comminty grows so does EF. Way to go. Your hard work on this site really shows and is so apreciated.
03/31/2012
Zombirella Zombirella
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Originally posted by Forum Moderator
Consequences:

Community members who violate the Expectations of Conduct will be subject to disciplinary actions. Penalties have been put into place in order to ensure that all members treat each other and the community as a whole with ...
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question. But is posting a link to a company's website in a review included in this? I once linked to the company's page in a review because there wasn't any info here yet on that particular company. I have also linked to a company's page for a video that I thought would be helpful to direct people to that were interested in how a toy works and I am unable to make video reviews. I just want to know for sure if that is allowed before I do it again in the future.
03/31/2012
kendra30752 kendra30752
Well I agree with everybody, it is all great! However, I really am disappointed that some really took it so far that such serious rules even had to be made. I hope maybe that this new change will be enough to discourage those who were doing the bad things to stop and then everything grow from there. Now, I must end this with...
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Forum Moderator
Point Farming:

Activities just to earn EdenPoints, that have no value to the community, are considered “Point Farming”. The following examples of point farming are not exclusive; the Forum Moderator can determine when other activities could ...
This is the grey zone that causes me the most angst. There are so many instances of posts on the forums that I question yet am unsure if they are examples of point farming or simply new contributors or unfamiliar with the EOC. Perhaps the Forum Moderator could make a concerted effort to point out instances that EF considers to be in violation? It might be helpful to create a generic message with a link to the EOC to educate that person. That way not only does the contributor get educated, but the rest of the community as well in terms of what is considered acceptable versus not acceptable. I just find there's a lot of room for interpretation here and some guidance would be appreciated.
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Forum Moderator
Multiple Accounts:

There have been numerous cases of contributors creating multiple accounts to abuse or exploit many of the programs and privileges on the site. We take these offenses very seriously and definite action will be taken in ...
It's unclear to me exactly how this is to be handled. For example, in my recent experience where someone obviously used a secondary account to down vote 20 of my reviews, what would happen under the new EOC? Do you plan to determine the IP address each time? If not, what purpose does it serve to warn or even ban the secondary account when the perpetrator can simply create more? To me, secondary accounts are a huge issue and a way for contributors to retaliate with little consequence. Again in my example, the down votes didn't lower my rank like they hoped for, but they are still present on my reviews which I don't like. In this particular instance, personally I think an IP ban would be appropriate since the action was obviously malicious. I would prefer a zero tolerance for such behavior.
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
Lastly, would it be possible to create a convenient "Contact Forum Moderator" button so it's easier to notify the appropriate person rather than having to look up the account? Maybe under the "Expert Help" tab so it's available on any page visited?
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I wish there was just one post that also just high-lighted the newest changes. I think I caught some, but I'm sure I probably missed some too.

"We also reserve the right to replace a graphic (nudity) or copyrighted image avatar with ...
Not sure it's helpful, but here is the EOC as of 7/18/2011 based on the Wayback time machine: link" rel="nofollow">link
03/31/2012
Positwist Positwist
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Originally posted by Kindred
This is the grey zone that causes me the most angst. There are so many instances of posts on the forums that I question yet am unsure if they are examples of point farming or simply new contributors or unfamiliar with the EOC. Perhaps the Forum ...
I think Kindred is right on.

When I first joined, I couldn't tell if these brief, repetitive posts ("nice review") were part of the culture or not. I understood that users were probably doing this for points, but until I was exposed to this ongoing debate over farming, it wasn't clear to me whether the behavior was acceptable or not. (Though I suppose the new EoC would have answered that question for me, so maybe my and Kindred's concerns are a bit different.)

Anyway, I think these changes are great!
03/31/2012
unfulfilled unfulfilled
I think there were some great actions taken here. I hope EVERYONE reads that there cannot be emotions on product pages. That annoys me to see a happy face running around with nothing said. I don't mind if someone said I really want to try this and then add a smiley face, but when there's nothing besides the emotion, I wonder what they're trying to get across.

Great Job Team!
03/31/2012
Ciao. Ciao.
This is perfect! Encouraging great community.
03/31/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
Great fix, guys! I really hope that this works to cut back on the spam!
03/31/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Kindred
Lastly, would it be possible to create a convenient "Contact Forum Moderator" button so it's easier to notify the appropriate person rather than having to look up the account? Maybe under the "Expert Help" tab so it's available on any page visited?
I like this idea, but what I did for the time being was added the contributor's url to my favorite websites.
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Beck
I like this idea, but what I did for the time being was added the contributor's url to my favorite websites.
That's a good idea. I was going to Follow the account but I often find the follow list unhelpful except for the few most recent added to the list. Otherwise it's easier to perform a search to locate profiles.
03/31/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Kindred
It's unclear to me exactly how this is to be handled. For example, in my recent experience where someone obviously used a secondary account to down vote 20 of my reviews, what would happen under the new EOC? Do you plan to determine the IP ...
I totally agree here too. Double accounts are a really huge issue. It is a way for someone to get away with doing things. If they do it slowly, then no consequence is going to happen at all. Something needs to change about double accounts. I know that it will be unfair to those who do have separate couples accounts and roommates, but this is leaving open a window of opportunity to abuse the system. I have to agree with what is said about the person who down voted Kindred too. An IP ban should be done that was malicious behavior, there should be zero tolerance for some behavior. That was personally attacking one person.
03/31/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Kindred
That's a good idea. I was going to Follow the account but I often find the follow list unhelpful except for the few most recent added to the list. Otherwise it's easier to perform a search to locate profiles.
I followed too, but knew it would get lost eventually. That was my idea to fix the issue. Glad you like it.
03/31/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
It looks good, very good. IF people read it, it will help a lot. Maybe linking the EoC to registering or logging on would help. Some people will still ignore the EoC. But, having it as a way to get into the site when you register or log on after logging off might help. Something like "I have read the EoC and agree to abide by its content." Something similar to that.

I share Kindred's and Becks (and others') concerns about multiple identities and multiple accounts. There is at least one member I know for sure has at least two accounts, I know at least a few of her accounts were closed, yet the posting, reviewing etc continues. She also votes on her own reviews. (Always EU. Of course.) Should we again report when we see this?
03/31/2012
Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by P'Gell
It looks good, very good. IF people read it, it will help a lot. Maybe linking the EoC to registering or logging on would help. Some people will still ignore the EoC. But, having it as a way to get into the site when you register or log on after ...
I believe you should still be reporting it so that it can be investigated.
03/31/2012
Jul!a Jul!a
And I'm glad to see some new rules being made. You guys rock for always keeping an eye out for everybody here
03/31/2012
Silverdrop Silverdrop
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Originally posted by Beck
I totally agree here too. Double accounts are a really huge issue. It is a way for someone to get away with doing things. If they do it slowly, then no consequence is going to happen at all. Something needs to change about double accounts. I know ...
I don't think two or more accounts on the same IP should be an instaban offense - there are too many legitimate ways multiple people might share a computer or an internet connection. But each case should be investigated, I believe. If UserA and UserB are using the same computer because they are a couple or flatmates, then their account activity would show different patterns than if UserB is just UserA's sockpuppet.
03/31/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Silverdrop
I don't think two or more accounts on the same IP should be an instaban offense - there are too many legitimate ways multiple people might share a computer or an internet connection. But each case should be investigated, I believe. If UserA and ...
I agree. It should not instantly ban you and each case should be investigated, but there are going to be cases where is it s questionable to if it is a double account. This is where the window of opportunity is for the abuse of the system with little consequence happening.
03/31/2012
Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
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Originally posted by Silverdrop
I don't think two or more accounts on the same IP should be an instaban offense - there are too many legitimate ways multiple people might share a computer or an internet connection. But each case should be investigated, I believe. If UserA and ...
Banning IPs just doesn't work when there are multiple users utilizing the same wireless connection. Flatmates and spouses are the least of it; what about college dorms, libraries and other public access spots? Retaliatory downvoting and other antisocial behavior should be addressed — for example, I hope those downvotes will be removed from Kindred's reviews — but I do not think IP banning is the insta-fix everyone hopes it will be.

One issue I had hoped to see addressed in the updated EOC is the policy on linking to competitor sites. I think many people innocently fall afoul of this rule, but what is more bothersome to me is that it doesn't appear to be enforced consistently. I can point out a number of threads — any EF Should Carry thread comes to mind — where it's done left and right with no consequence. Then out of the blue a single thread gets the rule quoted at the OP. It gives the appearance that either some posters are privileged, or that the rules were made to be ignored.
03/31/2012
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Petite Valentine
Banning IPs just doesn't work when there are multiple users utilizing the same wireless connection. Flatmates and spouses are the least of it; what about college dorms, libraries and other public access spots? Retaliatory downvoting and other ...
I agree that IP banning may not be the solution we hope it would be. I guess the bigger issue is that until EF comes up with a solution to address abuse of multiple accounts, the behavior will simply continue with little to no repercussions. It's simply too easy to create a new account and simply blame a roommate. I guess the question is, how do you truly verify an account?
03/31/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Kindred
I agree that IP banning may not be the solution we hope it would be. I guess the bigger issue is that until EF comes up with a solution to address abuse of multiple accounts, the behavior will simply continue with little to no repercussions. ...
I remember not too long ago an idea was brought up about having to use our ID #'s to verify who we are with our account information. This was back when they changed the rule about only being able to use the gift cards for your account only. I still think this is a good idea. If we have some way to verify all the accounts then the double account issue would be solved, mostly. Because roommates, couples, and everyone else have their own numbers. This would also verify age as well.
03/31/2012
ellejay ellejay
What a wonderful way to deal with current issues. I love that the EoC is easier to access, and hopefully it will help improve the community even more.
03/31/2012
Pixel Pixel
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Originally posted by Petite Valentine
Banning IPs just doesn't work when there are multiple users utilizing the same wireless connection. Flatmates and spouses are the least of it; what about college dorms, libraries and other public access spots? Retaliatory downvoting and other ...
I agree that the linking to competitor's site is a bit of a grey area. In the 'EF should Carry' thread, how else are we supposed to link to the products if Eden doesn't already carry them?
03/31/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
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Originally posted by Petite Valentine
Banning IPs just doesn't work when there are multiple users utilizing the same wireless connection. Flatmates and spouses are the least of it; what about college dorms, libraries and other public access spots? Retaliatory downvoting and other ...
I agree, I think that we should either only be able to post images of toys or it should be a bit more lenient. I think that it's strange that the Eden Should Carry threads never get shut down for this and, even though they are a bit different, it makes some threads seem more... Privileged.
03/31/2012
Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
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Originally posted by Pixel
I agree that the linking to competitor's site is a bit of a grey area. In the 'EF should Carry' thread, how else are we supposed to link to the products if Eden doesn't already carry them?
I think instead of linking it should just be a product/manufacturer description.

The last time I contributed something to the thread I linked a picture, but the picture had been uploaded to an image hosting account.
03/31/2012
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