ATV (no, not All Terrain Vehicle), the ultimate "dangerous no, no". Has anyone actually done this?

Bignuf Bignuf
The topic of ATM (ass to mouth) play has resurged in a few questions and comments here lately. It's still, I would think, a very rare "activity" and while "controversial" (people saying it is highly risky and should never be done, and others who claim it is a small risk among certain groups, to those who do it frequently)..and with sadly little science defining the real risk involved.

However, I think ATV (ass to vagina) really needs to be a true no-no, in everyone's book as the vagina (and right there urethra) simply are not designed to be exposed to the anal pathogens. From a woman "wiping the wrong way", to patients suffering "vaginal/anal fistulas" with cross exposure, the risk of infections have been clearly established and it's not a good thing. Thus, any toy that touches, or goes into the anus should be sterilized (yes, not just "cleaned", before going vaginally). Fingers should be very well washed before going from one place to the other.

Having said what I think, though, we know it does happen. Even my own husband, back in his college dating days, had a girlfriend who was a true "anal fanatic". She was a "born again virgin" (she had vaginal sex in the past, with a prior boyfriend, but was now "saving it for marriage"...and also was using anal only as her birth control method). Anyway, she used a lot of lube for each passion session and once he "simply slipped" and it was only her squeal and laugh that told him he had "missed the right hole". She said "oh don't worry about it", and he continued with their anal play, however he worried, even then about both her getting pregnant or an infection, which thankfully she got neither. Two more times during their lust play did he "visit" her vagina by accident. Yes, it can happen. Thankfully, she had no issue.

Also, we still see deliberate (and in some times frequent) ATV activity in certain porn films. Do these woman take any pre or post activity infection precautions? Do they ever have problems?

So, now I am asking the EF family here, be honest, have you ever had direct, immediate Ass to Vagina penetration (toy, penis, finger...whatever)? Did it create any vaginal issues? Did you do anything immediately to prevent a problem (like take an antibiotic or use a vaginal cream)?

Dare I ask, does anyone do this as part of their regular sex life activity?

I hope no one will "judge" anyone's answers, "free will", "informed choices", etc. I am seriously curious as to how common (if at all) this activity might be and what effects really happen, when it does.

Thanks
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
It's never happened to me.
Ansley , Bignuf , Wicked Wahine , Two Grand , HannahPanda , edeneve , Ly-Ra , Lonerose , CinnamonNights
9
It has happened by accident. No ill effect.
Do emu , angel142stx , CutiePatootie , Holly Wood , C&K0143
5
It happened by design. No ill effect.
RonLee , Holly Wood , C&K0143 , earthmama
4
It happened by accident and I did have a problem.
It happened by design and I did have a problem.
Other?
Total votes: 18 (16 voters)
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09/03/2013
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Bignuf Bignuf
A full day and no response. I kind of suspected that this might be something no one really did in the "real world". I still wonder how porn stars do it without having issues?
09/04/2013
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Bignuf
A full day and no response. I kind of suspected that this might be something no one really did in the "real world". I still wonder how porn stars do it without having issues?
Editing. Many women wouldn't allow that to happen. There are all kinds of camera tricks in porn just like there is in mainstream movies.

It's never happened to me, either accidentally or intentionally and I would be extremely upset if it did and ended up with me having an infection. BV sucks...I would actually be so bold as to say it sucks worse than having any curable STI.
09/04/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by Ansley
Editing. Many women wouldn't allow that to happen. There are all kinds of camera tricks in porn just like there is in mainstream movies.

It's never happened to me, either accidentally or intentionally and I would be extremely upset if ... More
I look at some of these porn films, with single dollar budget values and cannot imagine that I am seeing editing or special effects. It sure looks like one, single, continuous shot. However, I am far from the "movie business" so I just cannot say anything for sure. As for infections...I have been there, but it was from a different cause, after being on antibiotics for a very bad throat infection, and yes, I agree, a vaginitis is no fun at all and a severe UTI is horrific.

As for my husbands prior "issue" with his old girlfriend, he honestly insists it was totally accidental. She was not the least bit upset with him, knowing she was asking him to go "hard and fast" and awash with thick lube. Anal and vaginal openings really are not that far apart and things do slip...especially when they were doing the "pull all the way out" and "dive back in" thing. I know he was, even then, a very considerate guy. I don't think he would have ever put anyone at risk, deliberately. Thankfully, she had no ill effects. (We were briefly "friends" in college, in fact. She sent us a very nice card and gift when she heard through the grapevine we got married years later, even if we had lost touch and certainly didn't invite her to our wedding). In fact, we have seen her since, at some professional meetings (she is, as my husband and I both are) holders of the same professional degrees, even if we don't have the same kind of career job.

Funny, for years we would laugh about the fact she was an "Earthy, hippy, tree hugging, love everyone, all natural, granola girl" long, LONG before it was popular. Now she is a hard charging, pretty successful professional in a high stress field...and she is every bit as "earthy, hippy, tree hugging, love everyone, all natural (now also organic, and sustainably grown, fair market) and make up avoiding as ever! (In certain fields, including ours, one is expected to look very "made up and professional". She gets away with no makeup with pure natural good looks and I will admit, her diet and work out, and sun avoidance, have given her the skin of an 19 year old, even though she has a good few decades on that age! The biggest part of her psychological make up, then and now, it seems, is a "no stress, no worries", what shall be shall be, let's look on the bright side of life, attitude, and it works for her, very well. I suspect that too was why she didn't "worry". She never did. It was not and is not in her "mental make up". If you knew what she did for a living, that would surprise you to no end.
09/04/2013
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
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Originally posted by Bignuf
I look at some of these porn films, with single dollar budget values and cannot imagine that I am seeing editing or special effects. It sure looks like one, single, continuous shot. However, I am far from the "movie business" so I just ... More
It may be possible they stopped the camera use wipes/cleaners or what before inserting again. I doubt if the multi-million porn industry would take a chance of performers getting any type of disease and bad publicly.
09/04/2013
Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
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Originally posted by Bignuf
I look at some of these porn films, with single dollar budget values and cannot imagine that I am seeing editing or special effects. It sure looks like one, single, continuous shot. However, I am far from the "movie business" so I just ... More
Having a fair idea of the profession you all share, yes it does surprise me she wasn't worried. Oh well, maybe she thought antibiotics would take care of it fast? I bet those women in the films you mention are either ignorant of the facts or are supplied with extra money for, as well as prophylactic antibiotics, for their risks. Or perhaps they are misinformed, thinking an enema is sufficient to clean everything?

I have recently seen a few free porns where I was shocked to see a woman give a BJ after a man came from her rear. I have to think this was editing. But there is some porn where this cross contamination play (such as in gangbangs) is also shown. And the women don't look like down and out drug addicts, though who really knows if they were desperate and why they take these risks?

I agree, it is popping up more and let me add I don't like to watch anal, so all these I've seen have been accidental & while watching free porn on the net. If I'm seeing this much of it, I think it's safe to say there may be more of it now. I think because this was a long discussion intro, some people didn't want to read it all, plus having the poll be public would keep people away as well.
09/04/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by Oriental husband and wife
It may be possible they stopped the camera use wipes/cleaners or what before inserting again. I doubt if the multi-million porn industry would take a chance of performers getting any type of disease and bad publicly.
You bring up a very good point. I know they "bend over backwards" (pun intended) to prevent AIDS and HIV, so they wouldn't want to have any issues like that. My recollection is that this activity is seen more in the video's we have seen that came out of Europe, however. Not so much the "Hollywood" films.
09/05/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
Having a fair idea of the profession you all share, yes it does surprise me she wasn't worried. Oh well, maybe she thought antibiotics would take care of it fast? I bet those women in the films you mention are either ignorant of the facts or are ... More
I might post it again, at some point, as a private poll and see if it gets any different response, although nothing here is really "public" since no one's name is used. It is really all "anonymous" so I never think about making most polls "private".
09/05/2013
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Bignuf
I look at some of these porn films, with single dollar budget values and cannot imagine that I am seeing editing or special effects. It sure looks like one, single, continuous shot. However, I am far from the "movie business" so I just ... More
Anytime I have seen it there has been a disclaimer about unsafe sexual practices which may compromise one's health.

There are two things I hold stead-fast to when it comes to sex:

Bacteria from your mouth does not belong in, around or on your ass.
Bacteria from your ass does not belong in, around or on your mouth.

That's just how squeamish I am and if you've ever had a bacterial vaginosis infection you could commiserate. Penicillin and your average ordinary every day antibiotics don't kill that bacteria and it's the most humiliating experience(s) of my life. My doctor told me at one point that he didn't know what to do with me because he couldn't keep giving me the meds. I was starting to get into the toxicity range for that particular medication. (It can permanently turn your tongue black and cause an excess growth of the hairs on your tongue. Imagine that! A furry, black tongue! All because I didn't know the differences between safe sex toys and harmful toys.)
09/05/2013
HannahPanda HannahPanda
I got irritated from it accidentally happening once and trust me, it didn't happen again after that!
09/05/2013
RonLee RonLee
My very first GF and I did that until we learned that it wasn't a safe thing to do. We then played more safely even though she had not had a problem from ass to vagina play.
09/05/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by RonLee
My very first GF and I did that until we learned that it wasn't a safe thing to do. We then played more safely even though she had not had a problem from ass to vagina play.
How many times did you actually "do that" without a problem? Serious question. Did you just go one to the other, back and forth or did you just once in a great while pull out of her rear and go vaginally? I am asking about actual "amount of vaginal exposure"? This is an interesting post, in that no one else has mentioned having deliberately done this ever. Thanks for your honesty. I would love a bit more information, just for real educational reasons for us all.
09/06/2013
RonLee RonLee
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Originally posted by Bignuf
How many times did you actually "do that" without a problem? Serious question. Did you just go one to the other, back and forth or did you just once in a great while pull out of her rear and go vaginally? I am asking about actual ... More
When we were doing that, I would be switching back and forth several times during that particular sex session. We were both in high school and had to be quite surreptitious so the actual clock time for each session was relatively short about ten minutes. However,on date night(s) we would usually have at minimum five sessions of intercourse to orgasm each time. Now not all of those sessions would have been switching ATV, but the sessions that were would have been about 50/50 ass/vagina.

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09/23/2013
edeneve edeneve
very interesting discussion. I have never been interested in anal so I've not really paid much attention to the dangers possible.
09/24/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by edeneve
very interesting discussion. I have never been interested in anal so I've not really paid much attention to the dangers possible.
Glad to have stimulated your brain on a new topic, then.
09/24/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by RonLee
When we were doing that, I would be switching back and forth several times during that particular sex session. We were both in high school and had to be quite surreptitious so the actual clock time for each session was relatively short about ten ... More
Did this ever cause any vaginal issues? Would you have known? (would she have told you)?
09/24/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
I am really interested in hearing from someone who did have this happen, or did it as part of their play, deliberately, and did have a problem. What was it, how long did it last and what ended up being the resolution to that problem. We all hear how "horrible" and "totally no-no" it is, and I can understand all that, but have yet to hear from anyone who has done it and had an issue. Am I missing something?
10/06/2013
CutiePatootie CutiePatootie
I can get a UTI from him even brushing up against my vagina when pulling out after anal, or in a wierd anal position. It's a big no no no in my book.
10/16/2013
Holly Wood Holly Wood
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Originally posted by Bignuf
A full day and no response. I kind of suspected that this might be something no one really did in the "real world". I still wonder how porn stars do it without having issues?
Because before an anal scene of any kind, that area (both internally and externally) is cleansed THOROUGHLY.

If you ask any doctor or nurse, they will tell you it's not a good idea, but it happens all the time with no issues. The area is NOT as sensitive as many make it out to be - and issues are extreme circumstance and usually a result of straight-up fecal matter coming into contact, which doesn't occur in a porno (well, certain types, but none by companies I've ever come into contact with, thankfully!).

BTW - I've said it time and time again... It's NOT EDITING. You can't edit a straight camera shot pulling out of one hole and putting it in the other. There's only a few companies that would even have the budget to edit that - and they're the ones that don't shoot those types of scenes.
10/17/2013
Oriental husband and wife Oriental husband and wife
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Originally posted by Holly Wood
Because before an anal scene of any kind, that area (both internally and externally) is cleansed THOROUGHLY.

If you ask any doctor or nurse, they will tell you it's not a good idea, but it happens all the time with no issues. The area is ... More
Well, it's good to know they are cleansed thoroughly. We've never noticed any fecal matter anywhere on their persons. For us common folks think it better to play it safe. No AT-anywhere.
10/17/2013
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
Never had it happen accidentally, and would never intentionally do it. It just doesn't seem like a good plan, considering a quick wash is all it takes to eliminate that risk.
10/17/2013
Bignuf Bignuf
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Originally posted by Holly Wood
Because before an anal scene of any kind, that area (both internally and externally) is cleansed THOROUGHLY.

If you ask any doctor or nurse, they will tell you it's not a good idea, but it happens all the time with no issues. The area is ... More
I laughed about the "ask any doctor or nurse" part. Sure, they will indeed tell you it's not a good idea. However, the fact is, they are NOT learning about this much at all in Medical School or Nursing School (shockingly minimal education on "sexual health" issues). On top of that, as I said, there is little (virtually NO) collected data about these activities. Odd that no one has tried to do some study, but nope...nothing I have seen, anyway.
10/23/2013
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