Do you think being bi includes attraction to transgender people?

Kenneth Fort Kenneth Fort
I know the word pansexual means that, but I've seen a lot of people in arguments over whether it applies here too. Just wondering what everyone thought.
10/27/2012
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kendra30752 kendra30752
Ahhh... Not so sure it'd be something worth a downright argument over, but whatever floats someone's boat. Lol. I honestly do not know what the rules are.
10/27/2012
pestilence pestilence
Generally I just let people self-identify how they want. Bisexuality definitely includes attraction to binary trans people, but it's up to the individual to decide whether they're attracted to non-binary/genderqueer people, and if they are, whether they want to call themselves bi or pan.
10/27/2012
Xarien Xarien
I think bisexuality typically only encompasses attraction to cis males/females. The name BIsexual almost has to mean this.

When you start including things like trans*, you're venturing into the territory of pansexuality and while it's up to the individual as to what they feel more comfortable identifying with, I'd say that that technically speaking you would be pansexual.
10/27/2012
KrissyNovacaine KrissyNovacaine
From my point of view, this is a grey area for me. I am happily attracted to trans* individuals that have settled into where they are comfortable in their transition. I would call it finished.. but that is their call. So they don't have to be post op at all.
10/30/2012
charletnarouh charletnarouh
Like others have said, for some people this is where the pansexual label comes into play, but honestly, who cares? If someone identifies as bi and is attracted to trans* folks, then really, they're just seeing the person for the identity that person is presenting and embracing and that's all to the good for everyone involved, in my opinion. Many trans people just want to be recognized and seen as the gender they identify as and are transitioning to. A trans* man is a man and a trans* woman is a woman, so why shouldn't a bisexual who is attracted to men and women be attracted to them? I wouldn't challenge the identity of a lesbian or a straight male who is attracted to a trans* woman. She's a woman, they're attracted to women, so what's the problem? Likewise a straight woman or gay man attracted to a trans*man is just a person attracted to men being attracted to a man so there's no identity crisis I see here. Bisexuals attracted to trans* folks is the same. The only time I think it's called into question is if someone is attracted to a trans* person BECAUSE they are trans, which could, theoretically, cause new conflicts, for example, if the trans* person just wants to be seen as a man or a woman, not something in between or something else entirely. Some may not want the fact that they are trans to be a focus of the attraction of their partner, others may not mind or may like it. Really, It comes down to whatever works for the people involved and whatever they want to call it that makes them happy and comfortable.
10/31/2012
GONE! GONE!
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Originally posted by pestilence
Generally I just let people self-identify how they want. Bisexuality definitely includes attraction to binary trans people, but it's up to the individual to decide whether they're attracted to non-binary/genderqueer people, and if they are, ... More
This, I think.
10/31/2012
Andrew1992 Andrew1992
Sometimes, sure. But it also gets to be a big grey area. Plenty of straight women are attracted to transguys and straight men have certainly been attracted to transwomen. It's really not a big deal or separate category to a lot of people.

This is obviously more so for binary identified people.
10/31/2012
hanjonatan hanjonatan
of course it does, yeah. and there's nothing saying that a gay man or straight woman is inherently not attracted to trans men, or a straight man or lesbian's attractions can never include trans women.

of course it also might not mean that, but yeah, this is all quite individual, but there is nothing about the term "bisexual" that implies only being attracted to cis people.
11/01/2012
needapacker needapacker
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Originally posted by Kenneth Fort
I know the word pansexual means that, but I've seen a lot of people in arguments over whether it applies here too. Just wondering what everyone thought.
Yes. Trans men are men and trans women are women. Thinking any other way is offensive
11/19/2012
novanilla novanilla
Does for me.
11/21/2012
Vaginas Vaginas
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Originally posted by novanilla
Does for me.
same
11/21/2012
Khroma Khroma
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Originally posted by Vaginas
same
also same.
11/27/2012
No-nita No-nita
That's completely up to the individual.
11/30/2012
Red Vinyl Kitty Red Vinyl Kitty
I'm one of those people who doesn't really think it applies, not that I think it is worth an argument over, either.

The word "bisexual" itself implies attraction to only two genders. Pansexual encompases other genders too. Though, if someone said they were bi, and they told me they were attracted to all genders, I wouldn't correct them. Whatever floats your boat.
11/30/2012
Kristopher Sean Kristopher Sean
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Originally posted by charletnarouh
Like others have said, for some people this is where the pansexual label comes into play, but honestly, who cares? If someone identifies as bi and is attracted to trans* folks, then really, they're just seeing the person for the identity that ... More
thank you. very well put. im a straight transman in a relationship w/a bisexual female who see me as male.
12/15/2012
RavenInChains RavenInChains
I get confused about that too. Because bisexual is for binary gender systems, but transgender people identify as male or female, which would still fit. But I guess most people don't view transpeople as definitely male or female.

Pansexual then would include gender fluid people, bigendered people, intersexed, etc.

I call myself bisexual but I'm technically pansexual. I don't think it really matters as long as you are comfortable.
12/15/2012
lildrummergrl693 lildrummergrl693
For me, bisexual means attraction to people with similar and different gender identities than myself (a combination of heterosexual and homosexual). So, for me, yes, that includes trans* people on all parts of the spectrum.
12/17/2012
hanjonatan hanjonatan
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Originally posted by Red Vinyl Kitty
I'm one of those people who doesn't really think it applies, not that I think it is worth an argument over, either.

The word "bisexual" itself implies attraction to only two genders. Pansexual encompases other genders too. ... More
yeah, but being trans doesn't (necessarily) mean you are not a man or a woman, though. trans men aren't a different gender from cis men, just as trans women aren't a different gender from cis women. so... your point doesn't make sense.
12/26/2012
anonymous1298304 anonymous1298304
imo bisexual applies to being attracted to two genders, male and female whether they are cis or trans. though I imagine that is not always the case. Whereas I feel pansexual applies to people who are attracted to more than two genders. and older folks like myself might be pansexual by definition and just not updating their terminology,lol
01/15/2013
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