I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday, Christmas. The origin of the holiday IS, in fact, rooted in the Christian faith. It seems that rather than being INclusive of people of all faiths, the point of banning the word Christmas is more like to EXclude Christ. I have not been personally corrected-yet-but I wouldn't hesitate to defend Christmas. What about you, are YOU offended by the word Christmas?
Are you Offended by the word CHRISTmas?
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For me, the answer to that question can be summed up here.
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I grew up in a non-religious family, we called it Christmas. We celebrated it anyway because it's fun. Yay, family and presents!
Originally posted by
bayosgirl
I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday,
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I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday, Christmas. The origin of the holiday IS, in fact, rooted in the Christian faith. It seems that rather than being INclusive of people of all faiths, the point of banning the word Christmas is more like to EXclude Christ. I have not been personally corrected-yet-but I wouldn't hesitate to defend Christmas. What about you, are YOU offended by the word Christmas?
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I'm not offended by it and I really don't care if someone else is. I say what I say and they won't change my mind or what I say just because they don't like it. We kiss way to many peoples asses over silly shit. Merry Christmas All!
Originally posted by
bayosgirl
I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday,
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I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday, Christmas. The origin of the holiday IS, in fact, rooted in the Christian faith. It seems that rather than being INclusive of people of all faiths, the point of banning the word Christmas is more like to EXclude Christ. I have not been personally corrected-yet-but I wouldn't hesitate to defend Christmas. What about you, are YOU offended by the word Christmas?
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12/06/2011
Wow! I never even heard of people getting offended by this. I AM a Christian and I would never, under any circumstances stop calling it Christmas just because someone doesn't like it. I call it Christmas because I celebrate it as just that, Christ's Bday and my referring to it as Christmas only means that is what it is TO ME. If someone can't handle that then that's no reason for me to hide and call it someting else. Now if a person does not like to call it Christmas then why would they celebrate it anyways? I will never hide who I am because someone doesn't like it. Calling a day Christmas because of it's meaning to you really isn't somethign that should be hurtful. ?
12/06/2011
I'm not religious now, but I've attended a convent school growing up, and have been to church a lot. I always celebrate Christmas, and have NO problem using the word at all, same goes for including "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. I just don't understand why some people want to make a big deal out of these. I'm especially annoyed by parents forcing some public schools to exclude Christmas celebration, just imagine what they're taking away from the kids, it's all bullshit!
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I think they were referring more to the people that get offended by when people say 'xmas' and 'happy holidays' and just wondering if it went the other way around.
Originally posted by
K101
Wow! I never even heard of people getting offended by this. I AM a Christian and I would never, under any circumstances stop calling it Christmas just because someone doesn't like it. I call it Christmas because I celebrate it as just that,
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Wow! I never even heard of people getting offended by this. I AM a Christian and I would never, under any circumstances stop calling it Christmas just because someone doesn't like it. I call it Christmas because I celebrate it as just that, Christ's Bday and my referring to it as Christmas only means that is what it is TO ME. If someone can't handle that then that's no reason for me to hide and call it someting else. Now if a person does not like to call it Christmas then why would they celebrate it anyways? I will never hide who I am because someone doesn't like it. Calling a day Christmas because of it's meaning to you really isn't somethign that should be hurtful. ?
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Haha!
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Personally, I'm a pagan and I'm not offended by it - though I should point out that Christmas has more of a pagan background, with the early Christians adopting many practices, and so it stands to reason that I'm comfortable with it, irrespective of name.
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That's a great post.
Originally posted by
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As a non-Christian, I'm not exactly offended by the word Christmas, I just adamantly don't celebrate it. People can say wish me whatever they like, but generally speaking I'm just gonna sort of duck and try to avoid the whole thing. I hate Christmas, but I also dislike the holidays - not the phrase, the time of year. This season just makes me cringe. I don't want to be wished a happy anything, but if it makes people lose their minds less they can wish me whatever they want. I'll just smile to their faces, wish them the same, and go back to quietly hatin' on the whole thing once they're gone.
It's almost worse if people try to be extra inclusive and say "Happy Hanukkah" to me because it particularly is just not on par as a holiday, and I'm grouchy. I know you're doing a cheery holiday thing this time of year, but don't assume that I'm just over here doing the Jewish equivalent. Hanukkah often passes without me even lighting candles more than one night - there are way more important holidays for me that no one says anything about.
I do realize that I make it hard for people to be in the holiday spirit around me, but I'm not bothered. Haha.
12/06/2011
Evidently, in this country, you're no longer allowed to celebrate Christmas without also celebrating every other religious observance or at least recognizing it in line with Christmas this time of year.
City Councils have argued over whether or not to have "Christmas" trees and opted to call them "Holiday" trees. It's ridiculous and perpetuating a homogenized society with no individual culture or celebrations to speak of...before you know it we'll be calling it Yule again and recognizing it for the consumerist clusterfuck that it really is.
(You don't see pagans protesting the bastardization of their rituals into Christian observances, do you? Everyone should let each religion celebrate as appropriate and if your region swings in one direction more than another, then so be it. I just wish people would stop getting their panties into a wad over stuff like this. It certainly defeats the entire message of the season, that's for sure.)
City Councils have argued over whether or not to have "Christmas" trees and opted to call them "Holiday" trees. It's ridiculous and perpetuating a homogenized society with no individual culture or celebrations to speak of...before you know it we'll be calling it Yule again and recognizing it for the consumerist clusterfuck that it really is.
(You don't see pagans protesting the bastardization of their rituals into Christian observances, do you? Everyone should let each religion celebrate as appropriate and if your region swings in one direction more than another, then so be it. I just wish people would stop getting their panties into a wad over stuff like this. It certainly defeats the entire message of the season, that's for sure.)
12/06/2011
I'm not religious at all, so it doesn't bother me one bit.
12/06/2011
I was raised as a Christian, and the fact that I don't identify myself as one now does not change the fact that it is Christmas.
12/06/2011
I'm not religious, but I would rather hear Christmas than holidays. I am not a fan of this politically correct horsedung. I generally believe people get too offended too easily. Get some thicker skin, folks, and learn to laugh instead of pout when someone says something that is not "PC." It's good for you. Builds character.
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*high five*
Originally posted by
Jaimes
I'm not religious, but I would rather hear Christmas than holidays. I am not a fan of this politically correct horsedung. I generally believe people get too offended too easily. Get some thicker skin, folks, and learn to laugh instead of pout
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I'm not religious, but I would rather hear Christmas than holidays. I am not a fan of this politically correct horsedung. I generally believe people get too offended too easily. Get some thicker skin, folks, and learn to laugh instead of pout when someone says something that is not "PC." It's good for you. Builds character.
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12/06/2011
I am a Christian... and I have mixed feelings about this.
I would really hate to offend anyone with the words I use. That is never my intention. But, on the other hand, I think it's really silly for me to have to change to saying "holiday" instead of "Christmas" when that is what I call it! There is no other name for it, it's freaking Christmas! Also, just because I celebrate Christmas, doesn't mean I can't respect other religious/nonreligious celebrations.
It kind of makes me feel like some people are just *looking* for something to be offended by.
I would really hate to offend anyone with the words I use. That is never my intention. But, on the other hand, I think it's really silly for me to have to change to saying "holiday" instead of "Christmas" when that is what I call it! There is no other name for it, it's freaking Christmas! Also, just because I celebrate Christmas, doesn't mean I can't respect other religious/nonreligious celebrations.
It kind of makes me feel like some people are just *looking* for something to be offended by.
12/06/2011
Not raised Christian, have no problem with saying or hearing 'Christmas', just don't get preachy 'bout it, 'kay?
12/06/2011
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This is exactly how I feel as well.
Originally posted by
Jaimes
I'm not religious, but I would rather hear Christmas than holidays. I am not a fan of this politically correct horsedung. I generally believe people get too offended too easily. Get some thicker skin, folks, and learn to laugh instead of pout
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I'm not religious, but I would rather hear Christmas than holidays. I am not a fan of this politically correct horsedung. I generally believe people get too offended too easily. Get some thicker skin, folks, and learn to laugh instead of pout when someone says something that is not "PC." It's good for you. Builds character.
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12/06/2011
I just don't really care, it's a word to describe a (usually) joyful gathering during the winter. Presents may or may not be exchanged and for the adults, alcoholic beverages for all!
12/06/2011
I don't get getting offended by calling something by its name? I'm not Jewish, but I wouldn't be offended if someone said Happy Hanukkah. I'm not Mexican, but I won't turn down a free margariata fro Cinco de Mayo.
I do get why people say Happy Holidays, though, it's kind of a handy "Happy whatever you happen to be celebrating this time of year!". If someone says "Merry Christmas", I don't think they mean "Merry Christmas! You are Christian, right? Let's celebrate some Jesus! You believe what I do, right? RIGHT? YOU MUST!"
I do get why people say Happy Holidays, though, it's kind of a handy "Happy whatever you happen to be celebrating this time of year!". If someone says "Merry Christmas", I don't think they mean "Merry Christmas! You are Christian, right? Let's celebrate some Jesus! You believe what I do, right? RIGHT? YOU MUST!"
12/06/2011
I refer to Christmas as it's what I and most of my friends celebrate but I can understand how that could make other people uncomfortable. There are SO many holidays this season and to assume that someone celebrates Christmas -- if at all -- is privileged. I mean even the responses to this thread show a lot of ignorance and rudeness.
With that said, wish me whatever you will. I'm glad to hear it either way.
With that said, wish me whatever you will. I'm glad to hear it either way.
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That pretty much sums up how I feel too.
Originally posted by
Tessa Taboo
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I grew up Catholic and always celebrated Christmas as a time of year where everybody got together and enjoyed being together. And presents. There were always presents too. But for me, there's never been any real religious presence to it. I don't mind being told Merry Christmas and I don't mind being told Happy Holidays. I will tell people Happy Holidays in an effort to, like that blog post says, wish happiness for the whole holiday season rather than just one specific day.
12/06/2011
I am pagan and I don't care if people use the word Christmas or not.
12/06/2011
Can't really vote because none of them apply to me. I am Christian but I don't really give a hoot what anyone wishes to call December's..."event" lol It doesn't really matter to me what religion or lack of religion has to say on the matter. Christmas to me is a time of happiness, blessings in all shapes and sizes and love. How it translates to anyone else is entirely up to them but I'm not going to stop calling it Christmas because someone else may be closed minded enough to take offense to it. That being said at any point and time I may just as easily say the Holidays or Holiday Season or any other variation of the matter. It just doesn't matter.
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Agreed... for me it is about being as inclusive as possible. I like to wish people the best the season has to offer and although I know the majority of the people I talk to probably celebrate Christmas (at least in the commercial sense), some even who aren't Christians, it is more important to me to get the message of good tidings out that force my religious beliefs on someone else.
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Tessa Taboo
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THis.
Originally posted by
Chilipepper
Not raised Christian, have no problem with saying or hearing 'Christmas', just don't get preachy 'bout it, 'kay?
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You know, this has come up a bunch of different times on my FB in the past little while. So much so, in fact, that I finally had to make a filter blocking out any mention of the word "Christmas" because I was sick and tired of finding out that people I thought were cool are really religious bigots.
Originally posted by
bayosgirl
I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday,
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I have noticed lately that often, when the word Christmas is used, the speaker will be corrected by someone to use the word "holiday." I don't understand why this is a big deal. Even people who are not Christians celebrate the holiday, Christmas. The origin of the holiday IS, in fact, rooted in the Christian faith. It seems that rather than being INclusive of people of all faiths, the point of banning the word Christmas is more like to EXclude Christ. I have not been personally corrected-yet-but I wouldn't hesitate to defend Christmas. What about you, are YOU offended by the word Christmas?
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Here's how I see it (and this is just my opinion): Christmas is NOT the only religious holiday that takes place during this time of year. While Christians may be the religious majority, that doesn't mean that the celebration of Christmas is the only important one. Other religions (and non-religious individuals) have the right to celebrate (or not celebrate) as they see fit. I'm really, really sick and tired of hearing about the supposed "war on Christmas." No one is trying to steal Christmas, no one is trying to take it away. But there is something to be said about inclusion and the acceptance of other faiths and religions.
There was a story in the news up here (Canada) recently in which a school in Ontario chose to postpone their annual Christmas concert. Instead, they will be holding a craft fair (I think) and their concert will be moved to February; it will be a "holiday" concert, I believe.
There is such an uproar about this, it's ridiculous. The thing is, the school in question is a PUBLIC school, and the last time I checked, religion has no place in a public school. Guess what? Christmas is, at its roots, a religious holiday! Want your kids to be guaranteed an annual Christmas concert? Great! Put 'em in a private/religious school! This is Canada! We're a multicultural country (it's one of the greatest things about this nation, imo), so why should we cater to only one cultural/religious group? But apparently, because there are "only" nine non-Christian children in the school (or at least nine kids who don't celebrate Christmas) they don't matter and should just suck it up and deal (or sit in the principal's office while the other kids rehearse for the concert.) I actually have heard on several different occasions, "Well, if they don't like our traditions, they can just go back where they came from." Wait now. Who the hell says that just because those nine students don't celebrate Christmas, they're foreigners?
I just don't understand. Call it whatever the hell you want (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever) but don't force your own damn beliefs on anyone else. Why freak out over "Happy Holidays"/"S eason's Greetings" versus "Merry Christmas"? Good wishes are good wishes in my book, but apparently that's not the case in many peoples' minds.
Sorry for the rant, but you really have no idea how much this idea of "CHRISTMAS IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT HOLIDAY, HOW DARE YOU NOT SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!!!" attitude irks me. This is not how you show goodwill toward mankind, people. Sheesh.
12/06/2011
I wish there were an "other". I don't really consider myself a Christian but the alternatives aren't really right for me, either. Anyway, I'm not offended.
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Pretty much what KinkyKat said. I could go on a tirade about how stupid the "war on Christmas" is, but KinkyKat covered it pretty well.
Originally posted by
Kat Shanahan
You know, this has come up a bunch of different times on my FB in the past little while. So much so, in fact, that I finally had to make a filter blocking out any mention of the word "Christmas" because I was sick and tired of finding out
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You know, this has come up a bunch of different times on my FB in the past little while. So much so, in fact, that I finally had to make a filter blocking out any mention of the word "Christmas" because I was sick and tired of finding out that people I thought were cool are really religious bigots.
Here's how I see it (and this is just my opinion): Christmas is NOT the only religious holiday that takes place during this time of year. While Christians may be the religious majority, that doesn't mean that the celebration of Christmas is the only important one. Other religions (and non-religious individuals) have the right to celebrate (or not celebrate) as they see fit. I'm really, really sick and tired of hearing about the supposed "war on Christmas." No one is trying to steal Christmas, no one is trying to take it away. But there is something to be said about inclusion and the acceptance of other faiths and religions.
There was a story in the news up here (Canada) recently in which a school in Ontario chose to postpone their annual Christmas concert. Instead, they will be holding a craft fair (I think) and their concert will be moved to February; it will be a "holiday" concert, I believe.
There is such an uproar about this, it's ridiculous. The thing is, the school in question is a PUBLIC school, and the last time I checked, religion has no place in a public school. Guess what? Christmas is, at its roots, a religious holiday! Want your kids to be guaranteed an annual Christmas concert? Great! Put 'em in a private/religious school! This is Canada! We're a multicultural country (it's one of the greatest things about this nation, imo), so why should we cater to only one cultural/religious group? But apparently, because there are "only" nine non-Christian children in the school (or at least nine kids who don't celebrate Christmas) they don't matter and should just suck it up and deal (or sit in the principal's office while the other kids rehearse for the concert.) I actually have heard on several different occasions, "Well, if they don't like our traditions, they can just go back where they came from." Wait now. Who the hell says that just because those nine students don't celebrate Christmas, they're foreigners?
I just don't understand. Call it whatever the hell you want (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever) but don't force your own damn beliefs on anyone else. Why freak out over "Happy Holidays"/"S eason's Greetings" versus "Merry Christmas"? Good wishes are good wishes in my book, but apparently that's not the case in many peoples' minds.
Sorry for the rant, but you really have no idea how much this idea of "CHRISTMAS IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT HOLIDAY, HOW DARE YOU NOT SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!!!" attitude irks me. This is not how you show goodwill toward mankind, people. Sheesh. less
Here's how I see it (and this is just my opinion): Christmas is NOT the only religious holiday that takes place during this time of year. While Christians may be the religious majority, that doesn't mean that the celebration of Christmas is the only important one. Other religions (and non-religious individuals) have the right to celebrate (or not celebrate) as they see fit. I'm really, really sick and tired of hearing about the supposed "war on Christmas." No one is trying to steal Christmas, no one is trying to take it away. But there is something to be said about inclusion and the acceptance of other faiths and religions.
There was a story in the news up here (Canada) recently in which a school in Ontario chose to postpone their annual Christmas concert. Instead, they will be holding a craft fair (I think) and their concert will be moved to February; it will be a "holiday" concert, I believe.
There is such an uproar about this, it's ridiculous. The thing is, the school in question is a PUBLIC school, and the last time I checked, religion has no place in a public school. Guess what? Christmas is, at its roots, a religious holiday! Want your kids to be guaranteed an annual Christmas concert? Great! Put 'em in a private/religious school! This is Canada! We're a multicultural country (it's one of the greatest things about this nation, imo), so why should we cater to only one cultural/religious group? But apparently, because there are "only" nine non-Christian children in the school (or at least nine kids who don't celebrate Christmas) they don't matter and should just suck it up and deal (or sit in the principal's office while the other kids rehearse for the concert.) I actually have heard on several different occasions, "Well, if they don't like our traditions, they can just go back where they came from." Wait now. Who the hell says that just because those nine students don't celebrate Christmas, they're foreigners?
I just don't understand. Call it whatever the hell you want (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever) but don't force your own damn beliefs on anyone else. Why freak out over "Happy Holidays"/"S eason's Greetings" versus "Merry Christmas"? Good wishes are good wishes in my book, but apparently that's not the case in many peoples' minds.
Sorry for the rant, but you really have no idea how much this idea of "CHRISTMAS IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT HOLIDAY, HOW DARE YOU NOT SAY "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!!!" attitude irks me. This is not how you show goodwill toward mankind, people. Sheesh. less
Just remember, Christians stole most of their Giftsmas traditions from pagan celebrations, especially the tree.
I don't care what other people call it, but I say "happy holidays" because I don't celebrate it and I don't want to "EXclude" the Christians.
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lmao. i love that post.
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Tessa Taboo
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pretty much this for me too.
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AndroAngel
Pretty much what KinkyKat said. I could go on a tirade about how stupid the "war on Christmas" is, but KinkyKat covered it pretty well.
Just remember, Christians stole most of their Giftsmas traditions from pagan celebrations, ... more
Just remember, Christians stole most of their Giftsmas traditions from pagan celebrations, ... more
Pretty much what KinkyKat said. I could go on a tirade about how stupid the "war on Christmas" is, but KinkyKat covered it pretty well.
Just remember, Christians stole most of their Giftsmas traditions from pagan celebrations, especially the tree.
I don't care what other people call it, but I say "happy holidays" because I don't celebrate it and I don't want to "EXclude" the Christians. less
Just remember, Christians stole most of their Giftsmas traditions from pagan celebrations, especially the tree.
I don't care what other people call it, but I say "happy holidays" because I don't celebrate it and I don't want to "EXclude" the Christians. less
I just say "happy holidays" to be inclusive. I also mean New Years too.
It's kinda funny though, looking at when and why the Christian holidays are when the are and which traditions came from where. Not to be offensive, but most of the traditions for said holidays came from non-Christian sources.
So, Happy Holidays to everyone!
(I mean New Years too!)
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