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The Newsroom

authorzero authorzero
I've been hearing a lot about Aaron Sorkin's new show The Newsroom, but I don't have HBO so I haven't seen it yet. Have you? Is it worth watching?
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
It's good
bratofthekitties , Destri , Anne , Claire de Cerises
4  (12%)
I'm not a fan
namelesschaos , ghent529
2  (6%)
Haven't seen it yet
unfulfilled , Stagger13 , Allstars316 , KRD , mpfm , Geogeo , lulz , Errant Venture , dv8 , Falsepast , Ms. N , skeeterlynn
12  (38%)
I've never even heard of this show
brevado , panthercat23 , ejrbrndps , sktb0007 , sexfairy , heather-mooney , Stinkytofu10 , PeachCandy , Beck , Feisty , BoobCopter , (k)InkyIvy , PeaceToTheMiddleEast
13  (41%)
Other
Rossie
1  (3%)
Total votes: 32
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07/05/2012
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unfulfilled unfulfilled
I do not have HBO either.
07/05/2012
bratofthekitties bratofthekitties
it's really good! or as far as I can tell I like it, there have only been 2 or 3 episodes thus far
07/05/2012
Allstars316 Allstars316
No HBO for me too
07/05/2012
KRD KRD
I have HBO, but haven't watched this yet.
07/05/2012
brevado brevado
Got rid of HBO
07/05/2012
Geogeo Geogeo
HBO is great, but I haven't watched that yet.
07/05/2012
lulz lulz
Haven't even heard about it
07/05/2012
Errant Venture Errant Venture
It's not on until the 10th, over here, but it looks good so I'll be watching it.
07/06/2012
Woman China Woman China
Just a quickie...

Please remember to do a search before posting a new thread!!! Thanks!
07/09/2012
Destri Destri
We love the show! It is intelligent and timely, and at times funny. I would highly recommended.
07/09/2012
Anne Anne
It's awesome! You are immediately drawn to it by the first episode. I highly recommend it.
08/13/2012
sexfairy sexfairy
Never herd of it, but since I'm Canadian i imagine that there's no surprise there...
08/13/2012
heather-mooney heather-mooney
Never seen it, but I've never seen an HBO show that disappointed me either!
08/13/2012
namelesschaos namelesschaos
I was drawn in by the first episode but the show quickly became horrible it is pretentious, arrogant, self-indulgence, wish fulfillment of a rich, white, male who believes all the world need is more Great White Men to civilize us. If that wasn't bad enough it has the worst female characters currently on television.

Let go down the list of all the ridiculous things thing supposedly brilliant, intelligent, show has women do:

Shoot bottles off of propane tanks.
Set Timothy Geithner on fire
Can't count without using their fingers
Signs card for condolence of the loss of a loved one "lol".
Woman suggest covering the ipad gets thrown out of meeting. Man suggests Bigfoot and calls in the main staff on their day off to discuss. "I'll take a look at it".
Women screws up, look to man for what to do.
Women spends half an episode despite to convince her staff that their male is really a great guy.
Can't use a Blackberry.
Needs a man to tell her all about how to mange her own medical condition.
Knows nothing about economics, accepts invitation to debate economics.
Has two phds, get hired for her two legs, none of these sanctimonious "best form of the argument" return dignity to the four estate people see a problem with this or that it doesn't even make sense (the job is sitting behind an opaque desk.)
Doesn't know the difference between Georgia the country and Georgia the state, remember this is a newsroom employee not a person off the street, and it was during the invasion of Georgia.
...and I could go one like this.
08/13/2012
Stinkytofu10 Stinkytofu10
Quote:
Originally posted by authorzero
I've been hearing a lot about Aaron Sorkin's new show The Newsroom, but I don't have HBO so I haven't seen it yet. Have you? Is it worth watching?
I've never even heard of this show
08/13/2012
PeachCandy PeachCandy
I've never even heard of it
08/13/2012
ghent529 ghent529
I'm not a fan. It comes on after true blood on sundays... and It's just not for me.
08/13/2012
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Quote:
Originally posted by namelesschaos
I was drawn in by the first episode but the show quickly became horrible it is pretentious, arrogant, self-indulgence, wish fulfillment of a rich, white, male who believes all the world need is more Great White Men to civilize us. If that wasn't ...
'Shoot bottles off of propane tanks'
Her characterisation is as someone who has many dumb moments. And, technically, even if you shoot a propane tank, it most likely won't explode.

'Set Timothy Geithner on fire'
Admittedly I don't remember this bit. Still: It's Timothy Geithner.

'Can't count without using their fingers '
That scene was shown to highlight how the main character is a bully, and feels a great deal of animosity towards the other character. Too, it was a tactic to make the audience sympathise with her, take pity on her. That, however, is subjective.

'Signs card for condolence of the loss of a loved one "lol".'
She thought it meant 'lots of love'. David Cameron did this, too. It also plays into her characterisation of ineptitude. Tied into theme of the episode.

'Woman suggest covering the ipad gets thrown out of meeting. Man suggests Bigfoot and calls in the main staff on their day off to discuss. "I'll take a look at it". '
Man was ridiculed for almost the entire show.

'Women screws up, look to man for what to do.'
Man screwed up. Looked to woman for what to do.

'Women spends half an episode despite to convince her staff that their male is really a great guy.'
Because a good work environment depended on people being able to get along with Will. Also, she did that because the rumours that were going around were false.

'Can't use a Blackberry.'
I can't use a Blackberry. And the main character didn't even know he had a blog, and arrogantly thinks he fixed the internet after taking steps to curtail hate-filled comments on said blog. Also, scene tied into a later element of the episode.

'Needs a man to tell her all about how to mange her own medical condition.' She was having an episode and the man was giving her medical attention as a first aider. See klutz characterisation. Scene also intended to show that man is a good guy, and plays into a later scene.

'Knows nothing about economics, accepts invitation to debate economics.'
Her reasoning was given in the show. Please pay attention to it.

'Has two phds, get hired for her two legs, none of these sanctimonious "best form of the argument" return dignity to the four estate people see a problem with this or that it doesn't even make sense (the job is sitting behind an opaque desk.)'
I'm not sure whom you're referring to in this. I think it's the Munn woman, but can't be sure.

'Doesn't know the difference between Georgia the country and Georgia the state, remember this is a newsroom employee not a person off the street, and it was during the invasion of Georgia.'
Again, klutz, and it tied into several aspects of the scene, and the episode as a whole.

'...and I could go one like this.'
Please do. But I do think you should look properly at the show, before criticising it. A lot of these things you've brought up were taken out of context. In the context of the show, they make more sense.
08/15/2012
namelesschaos namelesschaos
First off you yourself said the following words: "ineptitude" "klutz" which is my point. Maggie is a one-dimensional incompetent cartoon at this point in other words a bad character. Even Sorken can't think of a logical reason why she is still employed "I dodge bullets" is not a display of competence.

"I'm not sure whom you're referring to in this. I think it's the Munn woman, but can't be sure."

Yes Mac very clearly says "they don't have your legs" to her character when asked why choose her for the job (they even put it on the previously on the Newsroom segment after words). When asked if she should strip to the answer is if that is what it takes, even jokingly, this proves my point. Again this is "The best form of the argument" Mac. "Hot legs" is not the best form of economics. Sorkin (and newsnight and its employees) is all about "the best form of the argument" when it suits his (or theirs) personal pet causes but are oblivious to anything else. Being above Casey Anthony is supposed to make them noble, even though you are under no obligation to cover it Nancy Gracy style and could spin it in to a critical discussion of several issues, yet pandering to horny males isn't above them at any time.

“Her reasoning was given in the show. Please pay attention to it.”
Her reasoning doesn't make it any less stupid, again this is the women that gave the sanctimonious "Best form of the argument" speech. You’re not the best form of the argument Mac, live up to your own speeches why don’t you!

"Scene also intended to show that man is a good guy, and plays into a later scene."
Showing that a man is a nice guy at the expensive of a women's competency is bad clichéd writing. Women= helpless, man= white knight, Sorkin= How romantic, Me= eyeroll.

"I can't use a Blackberry."
Are you an employee in place where competence in these types of things would be expected especially if you are "the best in the business"? Mac is. You wanted context? Context is what makes it bad and by comparing it to yourself you are taking it out of context by framing it within your own experiences instead of what the show presented. Her job would require a high degree of tech savvy, it makes no sense for her character.

"And the main character didn't even know he had a blog, and arrogantly thinks he fixed the internet after taking steps to curtail hate-filled comments on said blog."
He didn't know they had someone writing a blog for him this is different from not knowing how to send an E-mail. To be equivalent we would have to have a scene of him being unable to post something online. But more importantly the show presents his crusade as a good thing. Anonymous comments are seen as a bad, horrible thing and his idea is seen as an improvement to the site. Sorkin clearly agrees with Will his contempt for the internet is transparent throughout the show. If anything he is lionized as a persecuted martyr for his bold ideas.

"Also, scene tied into a later element of the episode."
You mean when she sends an E-mail about her private life to the entire company? That doesn’t make it good writing, indeed the Idiot Ball is consider to be a poor writing device only instead of being given the idiot ball, idiot is the closer to the default state.

"Because a good work environment depended on people being able to get along with Will."
Getting along professionally yes, but this was about seeing him as a good person personally, not creating a good working relationship. The show was all about building up the purely personal plot point of Mac having been the one to cheat on Will not solving inter-work relationships issues. Her going around telling people to like Will does not create a better work place indeed she is just being unprofessionally and string the pot even more. Also they rightful think Will is a jerk because he acts like a jerk to them; he should be encouraged to change his behavior by Mac not his victims. The show and you yourself called him a bully, he is the problem, Mac isn’t fixing a work place problem she is enabling a work place problem.

"Man screwed up. Looked to woman for what to do."
When!? Will screws up in the first episode, actively fights having Mac help and as you yourself point out is a bully to her in the workplace and when he becomes a bully goes to a male therapist. Meanwhile Sloan explicated ask if lying is what Will wants her to do says I need wisdom to Will, because Great White Man is just full of it. No man on the show has had comparable scenes with a women.

"Man was ridiculed for almost the entire show."
and still faces less professional consequences then the women that suggested the ipad story. The women is yelled at and throw out of the meeting, immediately. Man , even if being humored, is not and at the end Will says he will take a look at it which is a lot more respect than the woman got. In the real world, Will's response to the women would be an overreaction and Mr. Bigfoot would have been fried for his calling in the main staff on their off day for his nonsense.

And he is still being given more respect, when he suggest that White House announcement about getting Bin Laden might be about UFOs he is shoot down but moments later “Do you think it could be UFOs?” Does Maggie’s slightly less ridiculous the birthers are right idea get considered, no? Neither desires to be considered but why is it that the man’s ridiculous theories are continually met with more respect than women’s ideas? In addition, his idea about exposing internet trolls gets approved because “trolls” is high-minded news.

“That scene was shown to highlight how the main character is a bully, and feels a great deal of animosity towards the other character”
It makes Will look like a bully and Mac look stupid problem is we are supposed to see Will as bully (but not enough of one to tarnish his Great White male status), but see Mac as the “best in the business” not someone stupid we should pity.

“She thought it meant 'lots of love'. David Cameron did this”
David Cameron is in an age bracket that is less likely to understand internet culture. It is not a believable error for a character her age working in her field even if a klutz. Secondly, a typical text is a very different thing from a condolence letter. Texting practically requires the use of acronyms, using an internet acronyms in a condolence letter would be inappropriate even if it meant lots of love. “Sry about ur loss, lol”. Nope, doesn’t work no matter what the acronyms mean.

“Admittedly I don't remember this bit.”
Sloan. She says it in the first plane scene in the Bin Laden episode, Don announces it to the whole plane, and she admits it again. How on Earth does one accidently set fire to someone in an interview? Be a female on this show! Add to that the whole set up to the joke is designed to make Sloan look stupider then Don and his relationship drama, since we are making Don (male) look bad they had to have Sloan do something even more over the top unbelievable. That is the point when I gave up on this show actually it is absurd over the top, something you would except to see if Bugs Bunny where in the Newsroom therefore I’ll believe that Sorkin women are equal to men when I see Will take down a republican using the rabbit/duck season bit.
08/15/2012
namelesschaos namelesschaos
“Please do.”

I will….

There is Mac confusing someone saying they are available to go on air with someone hitting on her and then again confuses it when he says to someone else till a man finally explain to her that national security analyses e-mail reporters about news not trying to score a date. Again, the best in the business is the person that is demonstrating this ineptitude. And again the man automatically realizes that the national security analysis is talking about a news story and starts to try and figure out what is going on. This is actually great example a male and female receive the exact same message women twice miss the obvious, man gets it in one.

There is Maggies roommate storming into the newsroom because she is angry at her boyfriend.

Man tells a women she needs to look ahead while walking, women of course then crashes into something.

Then there is the way Sorkin point out trivial female pursuits but doesn’t do the same for trivial male pursuits. He attacks reality TV targeted to women, like the real housewives and tabloid magazines “We becoming a nation of old ladies in hair dryers”. Yet does he attack the consents pandering to the male gaze, opposite actually see Sloan above. Does he attack our obsession with sports above other more serious issues and there are several issues that could be explored regarding the celebrity and exploration in professional sports. No we are supposed to admire that Will was an athlete and a sport fan. He example of tragedy porn is one of turning women against other women. Sorken doesn’t shine a critical eye on typically male pursuits the way he does typically female ones.

And while on that the irony is that the tabloid he vilifies actually did some investigating found out about Mac’s boyfriend having high political ambitions before Mac did. How is Mac the best in the business again?

There is Mac getting gum stuck in her hair on an apparently recurring basis…with short hair...this is known to the staff to the point they ask if that why she needs their help …again.

Sloan’s completely unprofessional poking of Will’s bodyguard’s chest. Imagine if it were a man and female bodyguard.

Sloan responds to a hypothetical troll article about her “having a big butt and sleeping her way to the top” by pining the man to the wall and asking if she really has a big butt follow up question: do some men really like big butts.

Will does a lot more preaching to women then men; she the sorority girl in the first episode, his various dates, the TMI reporter.

Sloan, remember she of two Phds., misinterprets her boss use of the word “expanding” as a jab at her weight.

We are told repeatedly told that these women are smart, competent and professional but shown them being stereotypical, unprofessional female wreaks, and this is just looking at things in the show. I can look up interviews that reinforce Sorken’s massive gender problem too. This is the first and last Sorkin show I will watch looking up interview it clear he is a dinosaur with misplaced nostalgia for the 40’s and 50’s and his women reflect that.

*huff* *puff*I think that’s… most of it…. till the next episode I hate watch.
08/15/2012
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Quote:
Originally posted by namelesschaos
First off you yourself said the following words: "ineptitude" "klutz" which is my point. Maggie is a one-dimensional incompetent cartoon at this point in other words a bad character. Even Sorken can't think of a logical reason ...
'First off you yourself said the following words: "ineptitude" "klutz" which is my point. Maggie is a one-dimensional incompetent cartoon at this point in other words a bad character. Even Sorken can't think of a logical reason why she is still employed "I dodge bullets" is not a display of competence. '

Technically, two dimensional. Also, she's not two dimensional. Jar Jar Binks is a two dimensional character. She is not. She has displayed courage in standing up to Will, loyalty to her friend, relationship ineptitude and passion for her job. If she were two dimensional, I'd agree, she would be a bad character, but she's not.

'Yes Mac very clearly says "they don't have your legs" to her character when asked why choose her for the job (they even put it on the previously on the Newsroom segment after words). When asked if she should strip to the answer is if that is what it takes, even jokingly, this proves my point. Again this is "The best form of the argument" Mac. "Hot legs" is not the best form of economics. Sorkin (and newsnight and its employees) is all about "the best form of the argument" when it suits his (or theirs) personal pet causes but are oblivious to anything else. Being above Casey Anthony is supposed to make them noble, even though you are under no obligation to cover it Nancy Gracy style and could spin it in to a critical discussion of several issues, yet pandering to horny males isn't above them at any time.'

I recall. That is sexist, but not sexist for sexists' sake.

.3: She's fallible. She's human. No one can live up to their own standards all the time.

I must be going. Will continue this tomorrow.
08/16/2012
Falsepast Falsepast
Not a fan
08/16/2012
Rossie Rossie
I heard about the show because Woman China has a thread talking about it, but haven't seen the show since I don't have HBO.
08/16/2012
PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Never heard of it.
08/16/2012
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Quote:
Originally posted by namelesschaos
First off you yourself said the following words: "ineptitude" "klutz" which is my point. Maggie is a one-dimensional incompetent cartoon at this point in other words a bad character. Even Sorken can't think of a logical reason ...
To continue:

.2: The show itself wasn't being inherently sexist. It was, however, portraying a sexist environment. It is understood that in media being pretty helps. It's not desirable, and it shouldn't be this way. But it is. The show was demonstrating that.

.3: I was going to elaborate, but that's really all I need to say. People don't always live up to their ideals. Will certainly doesn't.

.4: It was hardly at her expense. It fit her character to panic and 'need help'. To do otherwise at this point in her character arc would be out of place.

.5: Not at present, but I was - though I wasn't the best in the business.

.6: They are both ignorant of certain facts and details, thus it is the same. And, technically, she didn't know how to differentiate between sending staff-wide emails and single emails. At that point, too, she had been in the middle of a warzone for quite some time.

.7: No it wasn't. She was unfamiliar with a tech device, and as such experienced problems. It is an idiot ball in the sense that it drove a sub-plot, but it wasn't out of character.

.8: People were afraid of him. Surely getting people to see him as a nice guy would stop people being afraid, and help make a better working environment?

.9: Erm ... you answered your own question.

.10: He was listened to, at the end, by Will because he had gained respect over the course of the show for displaying dedication to his job.

'the man’s ridiculous theories are continually met with more respect than women’s ideas?' They weren't.

.11: Will was seen as a prick. Enough to tarnish his 'Great White Male' status. And, as I'd said, the other part was subjective.

.12: He's 45, worked in PR, and worked as a researcher before gaining higher job roles in government. He should know. And, by the way, acronyms happen all the time in hand-written (non-internet) form. It's not just texts. The first known use of OMG is 100 years old, used by an admiral in a letter to Winston Churchill.

.13: That episode hasn't aired over here, yet. I can't comment on what I haven't seen.
08/17/2012
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Quote:
Originally posted by namelesschaos
“Please do.”

I will….

There is Mac confusing someone saying they are available to go on air with someone hitting on her and then again confuses it when he says to someone else till a man finally explain to her that national security ...
.1: Which episode is this?

.2: That was a type of drama that the show could have gone without, yes. Though I would like to highlight that the men are just as interested in their personal lives, as the women are.

.3: Person walks into lamppost. Person gave advice.

.4: I suspect that's because sports is seen by culture as a worthwhile pursuit link whereas reality TV is seen as a blight on society (rightly, in my opinion). Sorkin's comments, though, were in poor taste.

.4.5: You'd rather she spied on her boyfriend?

.5: Comedic purposes.

.6: Yeah, that's unfair. We should be allowed to poke female bodyguard's chests, too.

.7: I don't recall this. However, women, as do men, have weight issues. They're allowed to.

.8: So you missed the preaching he does to his boss, his employees, his therapist?

.9: Was it serious, or of comedic content?

.10: His men are smart, competent and professional but shown them being stereotypical, unprofessional male twats.

Alternatively, you could stop watching altogether.
08/17/2012
namelesschaos namelesschaos
Quote:
Originally posted by Errant Venture
.1: Which episode is this?

.2: That was a type of drama that the show could have gone without, yes. Though I would like to highlight that the men are just as interested in their personal lives, as the women are.

.3: Person walks into ...
You know I was half way to making a reply when I made a crack about My Little Pony having better written women then this show and one thing lead to another and behold:

Lauren Faust’s My Little Pony Does Women Better than Sorkin’s The Newsroom (pt.1)

It is part snark, part Sorkin could actually learn a few (dozen) things from Lauren Faust, part the decision to spike my ice tea is either the best or worse decision I've made today.

"Alternatively, you could stop watching altogether."
And miss out on the snarky blog potentially!? I already have part 2 90% done, and I've already started outline a interview formant for the Pinkie Pie vs. Maggie edition. This is the best snark I've had in weeks!
08/18/2012
Woman China Woman China
Ok... before we all get too much further... as I am very much enjoying this thread listening to two very different sides of the show.

now.

My question is, the ending of Episode 09, had the chap with the really neat accent (forgive me, I am so terrible with names) the blogger man? He was typing into a chatroom when the other chat roomers wrote some things down. I have no idea what was said? What was he saying?
08/20/2012
namelesschaos namelesschaos
And part two of my comparing this so with My Little Pony: link

...Repeat after me Sorkin competent means they general do not cause unprecedented failures.

As for the last episode, dear God. How is trolls more relevant to the voting booth (their criteria not mine) then Anthony Wiener or Casey Anthony? How dose being really rude on the internet make you a good reporter? We get it, you hate the internet! Get over it!
08/21/2012
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