Aliens in Antarctica

Ansley Ansley
So, it's Saturday morning, I'm checking out what's going on in the world at large and what's happening here in the forums and I decide to hit CNN. Cup of coffee in hand, I land on this article that is buried at the bottom of one of the pages: Scientists Sound Alarm: Aliens in Antarctica.

No, it's not what you think - it's things like grass seeds and that kind of thing. The article then goes on to say that it's the result of more tourism in the area and the combination of the area warming up around the edges that is allowing the invaders to sustain some form of life there.

And the entire time I'm reading the article, all I can think to myself is, "so?". I mean I get that it can be a really huge deal when you have an invasive species of anything, but I don't think it's a bad thing.

It's almost as if we as humans expect the world to stay exactly the way it is at all times. Scientists get really excited when they discover a species has evolved past the point where they were at their original discovery, but in the same breath they get really nervous and scared over it. (Or so it seems at least.)

I have to ask...why are we so hellbent on trying to fight these changes? Why does every little thing spell disaster? (This isn't about recycling. Reducing waste where we can is no joke, but not what I want to focus on here.)

Everything changes, why isn't the Earth allowed to change too? And just because we're responsible for a lot of it happening...are we not allowed to be here? Are we not allowed to move around, make our homes, and stake our claims?
05/05/2012
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Rin (aka Nire) Rin (aka Nire)
It's the old conflict: yes, humans have a right to be here, but we cause more drastic changes to the world than any other species, and at a much more rapid rate. So where do we draw the line that indicates we're throwing the balance of nature off? No one seems able to agree, and probably never will. It's made worse because we have no way of knowing what the long-term effects on the planet will be - is our footprint small enough to be negligible in the long run, or are we damaging the planet irreparably? We can take one side or the other, but no one knows for certain.

I will say that any human-caused change, however small, is cause at least for caution. Many drastic environmental changes, particularly those caused by invasive species, are the result of a few seemingly minor and harmless events. Nobody really thinks releasing one or two non-native fish into a waterway will hurt anything until the local fish are almost completely pushed out by the newcomers.

Grass seeds probably aren't as extreme as all that, but at the same time I can understand the concern. It might cause a chain reaction leading to something bigger down the line, or it may not. All we can really do is wait and see.
05/05/2012
Badass Badass
Oh dear, you know global warming is a true story when you read things like this..
Everything does change, and the Earth has the liberty to change as well.. but it sucks when we are the reason it HAS to change.
In 910 we staked our claims, in 2012 we are running and ruining this world.

Staking our claims in my opinion is building a fire in your shack in the woods and saying, "this forest is huge, but this piece here is mine", what we are doing now with everyone driving, cutting down trees left and right... we are not just staking our claim, we are a riot saying "MINE, OURS, SCREW WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE. THOSE ARE TRESS? SCREW THOSE TREES, I OWN THIS BEAST"

The Earth is very allowed to change. The Earth is going to do it's thing whether we like it or not. I think we should just try to stop pissing off our Earth so frequently and harshly.
05/05/2012
Badass Badass
Quote:
Originally posted by Rin (aka Nire)
It's the old conflict: yes, humans have a right to be here, but we cause more drastic changes to the world than any other species, and at a much more rapid rate. So where do we draw the line that indicates we're throwing the balance of nature ... More
I agree with most of this, but especially the footprints part.
Look at oil spills. It's like we just flicked off the Earth, called her a string of profanities, tormented her while we chased her home where we then raped her... Then said "Have a lovely day" and moved on.
Mother Earth has every reason to be pissed, and change she will... but not for the better for us.. I imagine at this point, she hates us humans.
05/05/2012
Ansley Ansley
We have just as much a right to be here, if things change because we exist...why is that a problem? Shouldn't it be just as much a natural order of things? All we do is inconvenience everything and everyone, but if the bee gets to pollinate the garden, don't humans get to have an impact? Good, bad, indifferent, or otherwise? Who made the rules? Where is our spot?

We lived off the land, we made use of resources, and because we figured out how to manipulate that to our advantage, we're "evil" and the root of all destruction?
05/05/2012
Rin (aka Nire) Rin (aka Nire)
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Originally posted by Ansley
We have just as much a right to be here, if things change because we exist...why is that a problem? Shouldn't it be just as much a natural order of things? All we do is inconvenience everything and everyone, but if the bee gets to pollinate the ... More
It certainly doesn't make us evil or anything of the sort, and your argument is definitely a valid one. Like I said, where the line ought to be drawn (or even whether it should be drawn at all) is a complicated issue, one that is largely based on opinion since there's no Guide to How the Universe is Supposed to Go (subtitled: So You'd All Better Not Fuck Up).

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, being aware of our situation and our impact, it makes sense that we try to keep our activities in check. The planet has changed so rapidly because of us that the fear of us killing it off entirely long before it would have otherwise happened is, to me, valid (though it certainly won't be within our lifetime). Better to curb our impact now so that we can all live here longer, and keep Earth in good condition for future generations. Our own footprints can, via chain reaction, end up effecting us down the line.
05/05/2012
Peggi Peggi
I understand the want for change, but the first thing that pops into my head when I hear about alien plants/animals being introduced to new areas are those giant fish they have in our area that you can get a $200 gift card for killing, since they can bite through a steel toed boot with ease, or those giant asian tiger shrimp lol
05/06/2012
Rod Ronald Rod Ronald
I think the dmage has already been done. The earth will wipe us clean like a virus sooner or later. Just like every living thing.
05/06/2012
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