Which of these should be a crime: animal cruelty or reporting animal cruelty?

spiced spiced
According to this article, laws are being proposed across the country which would make it illegal to videotape animal abuse at farms. People who violated these anti-taping laws would be branded as "terrorists".

What do you think? Which activity is criminal: animal abuse, or reporting it?
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
Animal abuse is a crime.
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53  (98%)
Videotaping and reporting animal abuse is a crime.
Videotaping and reporting animal abuse is not just a crime, but actually terrorism.
Other?
Airen Wolf
1  (2%)
Total votes: 54
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Kitka Kitka
Animal abuse is a crime, plain and simple, reporting it isn't.
04/08/2013
Trysexual Trysexual
Abuse
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PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
I don't see how reporting abuse could ever be considered a crime.
04/08/2013
sunflower sunflower
I really don't understand how exposing and bringing awareness to the issue should be a crime? Who is backing this law? Probably the farmers?

Edit: "Some of the legislation appears inspired by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a business advocacy group with hundreds of state representatives from farm states as members."
Wow what a surprise! I'd have to research some more to see who is actually backing it but even from just hearing the idea it sounds like it would be the people trying to profit off of the animals being potentially mistreated.
04/08/2013
Wicked Wahine Wicked Wahine
I'm so disgusted & outraged after reading that, that I cannot comment on it any more than to say, WTF is this world coming to?

I wish I'd known about the pictures of abuse before loading the page. So, if you are as sensitive as I, be prepared to turn off images in your browser or cover part of the screen!
04/08/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by sunflower
I really don't understand how exposing and bringing awareness to the issue should be a crime? Who is backing this law? Probably the farmers?

Edit: "Some of the legislation appears inspired by the American Legislative Exchange Council, ... More
Yes, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is pushing this legislation. I've been doing some research on them since I posted this. They're responsible for A LOT of terrible legislation and ALEC is supported by A LOT of companies. Who's actually backing it? Any of us who are doing business with these companies. It makes me sick to my stomach to realize that my hard-earned money has helped fund this.

I'm not going to do business with any of those companies again. Click this link to see a lot more about ALEC: link

Click this link to see which companies fund their efforts: link
04/08/2013
Lildrummrgurl7 Lildrummrgurl7
Animal abuse is a crime!
04/08/2013
Rossie Rossie
I agree with DynamicKitty and PropertyOfPotter.
04/08/2013
bayosgirl bayosgirl
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
Yes, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is pushing this legislation. I've been doing some research on them since I posted this. They're responsible for A LOT of terrible legislation and ALEC is supported by A LOT of companies. ... More
You're right, that's a lot of companies! My head is spinning just thinking about it. I'll have to go back and re-read the list. I definitely don't want to support ALEC or anything else that supports covering up animal cruelty.
04/08/2013
peachmarie peachmarie
That's one of those articles that just make you say "Whaaaaat?!" It's ridiculous. If someone is mistreating an animal/just being straight up cruel video tape evidence is just what seals the deal on their guilt.
04/08/2013
RonLee RonLee
Just for perspective, it had been a felony in Illinois to record with video or audio the police "performing their duties".
In ACLU V ALVAREZ No. 11-1286 May 8th 2012 7th Circuit Court, that was overturned. Many police officers will still however, arrest you for doing so, or destroy your recording equipment.
04/08/2013
GONE! GONE!
These times are getting ridiculous. The people in power don't want us to see reality unfiltered.
04/08/2013
bog bog
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
According to this article, laws are being proposed across the country which would make it illegal to videotape animal abuse at farms. People who violated these anti-taping laws would be branded as "terrorists".

What do you think? ... More
I agree with GoldLion.

If you don't want to be videotaped abusing animals, DON'T AbUSE ANIMALS and nobody will ever videotape you doing it. Ha!
04/08/2013
spiced spiced
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Originally posted by bog
I agree with GoldLion.

If you don't want to be videotaped abusing animals, DON'T AbUSE ANIMALS and nobody will ever videotape you doing it. Ha!
I agree with both of you! The trouble is, the abuse is happening at large-scale meat production facilities, and Big Ag, through groups like ALEC, has a ridiculous amount of political lobbying power, even including the power to create laws.

I'm convinced a lot of corporate America believes it's somehow exempt from the laws that govern the rest of us. The unfortunate reality is that, if they continue to have the legal power to buy elections, they WON'T be subject to the same laws. I think it will take a huge, sustained public outcry — including widespread boycotts — to stop this horrible trend.
04/08/2013
Beautiful-Disaster Beautiful-Disaster
Abuse is abuse.
04/08/2013
ViVix ViVix
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
According to this article, laws are being proposed across the country which would make it illegal to videotape animal abuse at farms. People who violated these anti-taping laws would be branded as "terrorists".

What do you think? ... More
That's quite messed up...especially the branding of "terrorist."
04/08/2013
joiedejouets joiedejouets
It's a crime. Onlookers should report also.
04/08/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by joiedejouets
It's a crime. Onlookers should report also.
I agree.

Keep in mind that the "onlookers" in this case are employees at these factory farms. Speaking up would cost them their jobs. Still, a lot of what we know about the abuses inside these places comes from people who were brave and strong enough to do the right thing regardless.
04/08/2013
Castielskitten Castielskitten
I really don't see how reporting animal abuse is even close to a crime. So they think reporting a CRIME is a CRIME? Oi...
Animal Abuse should be reported the instant it is known about it.
04/08/2013
minxx minxx
I was beyond furious when I saw this stuff on the news. How on earth can reporting something wrong be a crime? It's like saying: "Oh you saw someone beating/torturing another person? Should have kept your mouth shut, now you get to sit in jail." Oh wait, I forgot. People these days are sick and animals don't mean sh*t. I hate how people have become. I hate what this world has turned to, saying that one life is more valuable than another. I hope this law doesn't pass. If it does, guess I'll be going to jail the second I see something. I won't stand for animal cruelty. I refuse. Go ahead and send me to jail.
04/08/2013
minxx minxx
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
Yes, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is pushing this legislation. I've been doing some research on them since I posted this. They're responsible for A LOT of terrible legislation and ALEC is supported by A LOT of companies. ... More
That's disgusting...I shop from A LOT of those companies. The only relief I have is that some of them have removed their ties recently...
04/08/2013
anonymous1298304 anonymous1298304
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Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
I'm so disgusted & outraged after reading that, that I cannot comment on it any more than to say, WTF is this world coming to?

I wish I'd known about the pictures of abuse before loading the page. So, if you are as sensitive as I, ... More
ty for the warning. i'm glad i read this first. i had a feeling it might be bad,cuz my first thought was of things i've seen from PETA years ago and still can't get out of my head
04/08/2013
KinkyKatieJames KinkyKatieJames
Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Wahine
I'm so disgusted & outraged after reading that, that I cannot comment on it any more than to say, WTF is this world coming to?

I wish I'd known about the pictures of abuse before loading the page. So, if you are as sensitive as I, ... More
Thank you! You just saved me from heart ache. I voted first since I know my answer. I went to the comments before opening the link though, just in case. I'm glad I did. sorry you had to see it though. :-(
04/08/2013
ScorpioCurves ScorpioCurves
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
Yes, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is pushing this legislation. I've been doing some research on them since I posted this. They're responsible for A LOT of terrible legislation and ALEC is supported by A LOT of companies. ... More
Thanks for posting this!
04/09/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by minxx
That's disgusting...I shop from A LOT of those companies. The only relief I have is that some of them have removed their ties recently...
I just "removed my ties" from my phone company this evening. They asked why and I told them. I hope a lot of other people will do the same.

It felt really good to do the right thing and make at least a small positive difference.
04/09/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by ScorpioCurves
Thanks for posting this!
You're very welcome.

I'm glad so many people seem to care about this. It's disgusting that major corporations would contribute to systematic animal abuse, but it's heartening to see that everyone has reacted just like I did when the reality is brought to light.
04/09/2013
kendra30752 kendra30752
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
According to this article, laws are being proposed across the country which would make it illegal to videotape animal abuse at farms. People who violated these anti-taping laws would be branded as "terrorists".

What do you think? ... More
Whoa!

IMO, it should only be a crime if you don't report it, not if you do. Seriously, what kind of decent human being wouldn't report animal abuse if they seen it? You'd have to be some kind of cold-hearted to watch an animal be abused and not care and not even report it.

Animal abuse pisses me off. People who abuse animals (or people, but we're talking animals) infuriate me. If you can abuse an animal, something is horribly wrong with you. What really gets me is when people abuse them and laugh! LAUGH! Like it's f'n funny. I keep thinking of this photo I seen circulating the internet of two guys laughing hysterically as they did horrible, unspeakable things to these two cats. Oh God! I can't even stand to think of it. I just don't see how you can hurt a poor little thing that didn't even see it coming and something that couldn't possibly have done anything to intentionally upset you. Animal abuser is a big indicator of kind of person someone is. Ted Bundy's animal abusing/killing fetish comes to mind.

Well, I guess I got to ranting there. Anyways, I think animal abuse should be illegal everywhere and it should be strictly enforced. People need to PAY for crimes like this. You see people go to jail everyday for having a little marijuana, but hey, if you brutally abused or even murdered an animal, you're safe. I know some states do enforce it, but not nearly enough.
04/09/2013
bratcat bratcat
Quote:
Originally posted by spiced
Yes, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is pushing this legislation. I've been doing some research on them since I posted this. They're responsible for A LOT of terrible legislation and ALEC is supported by A LOT of companies. ... More
honestly i'm not surprised on that being the reason why the law got passed and i was kind of expecting it. A lot of it is corporate america and keeping profits up, but also this idea about how farm animals are not the same as other domestic animals that we commonly call "pets" may be a contributing factor for this as well.
It's really disgusting, as im against all forms of abuse weather it be animal or human, and should ALWAYS be reported and encouraged to be reported and not be a crime itself. it's such backwards thinking to me.
Thank you for these links though, i try to be as ethical as possible when it comes to what i buy.
04/09/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by kendra30752
Whoa!

IMO, it should only be a crime if you don't report it, not if you do. Seriously, what kind of decent human being wouldn't report animal abuse if they seen it? You'd have to be some kind of cold-hearted to watch an animal be ... More
I agree with you 100%, Kendra.

But what goes on, day in and day out, in this country (and I'm sure in many others) is widespread, systematic, routine abuse of animals in factory farms. A shocking percentage of the animal products sold in stores are produced in facilities where these abuses take place every day.

Hardly anybody who works in these places speaks up because they don't want to lose their jobs. The companies want to make it illegal to do anything about it because they don't want anything cutting into their profits, as it would cost more to treat the animals humanely. But if enough people become aware of what's going on and refuse to do business with the companies that make it possible, then they'll find it's more profitable just to do the right thing.
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