Abortion, Yes or No as birth control?

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HarlequinBunnie HarlequinBunnie
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Originally posted by HarlequinBunnie
How do you feel about abortion being used as birth controle?
Personaly I feel it is a woman's right to choose because she is the one who has to deal with the side effects later in life such as depression. However I don't think it should be used as a form of birth controle. There are too many people out there who can't have children and putting a baby up for adoption would help for their dreams to have a child come true. What are your thoughts on this matter?
05/07/2013
Lildrummrgurl7 Lildrummrgurl7
Uhm, no. There are other options so readily available to anyone. Abortion should be used as a last resort only when the person can not carry the fetus to term.
05/07/2013
HarlequinBunnie HarlequinBunnie
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Originally posted by Lildrummrgurl7
Uhm, no. There are other options so readily available to anyone. Abortion should be used as a last resort only when the person can not carry the fetus to term.
Risk to the mothers health, sexual assault from family or stranger, birth defects such as child's brain not forming, or child dies before birth would be good reasons.
05/07/2013
indiglo indiglo
It is not my preferred form of birth control, but who I am to say what's right for someone else?

I would be concerned about the woman's sexual health, however, if abortion is her primary form of birth control. That would indicate to me that she is likely having unprotected sex, which carries a lot of risks with it besides pregnancy. But again, it's all up to her.
05/07/2013
Carawr2015 Carawr2015
I think that a woman should be able to have access to reliable and safe sexual health care at all times. If someone is using abortion as a form of birth control, we should look at their situation and see why there are no other forms of birth control available to them, whether the problem is through lack of funds, resources, information, or otherwise.

The problem with proposing adoption is that it is not an alternative to abortion. Adoption does not stop a person from being pregnant--they still have to carry and deliver the baby. If someone is forced to go through an entire pregnancy that they don't want, that can be incredibly mentally and physically damaging. There are also a lot of children already in the system--saying "What about putting the baby up for adoption?" not only invalidates the needs of the person carrying the fetus--they don't owe anybody a child--but it erases the children who are already waiting to be adopted.
05/07/2013
JennSenn JennSenn
I actually agree completely with Carawr2015 who explains the abortion vs adoption argument much better than I can.

I believe a woman should be allowed to do as she wishes with her body just as a man should. This is an individuals choice. I don't personally believe abortion should be used as primary birth control and that maybe the situation should be looked into if that's the case, but I can't really pass judgement.
05/07/2013
ViVix ViVix
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Originally posted by HarlequinBunnie
How do you feel about abortion being used as birth controle?
Use regular birth control, but abortion should always be an option.
05/07/2013
ViVix ViVix
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Originally posted by HarlequinBunnie
Personaly I feel it is a woman's right to choose because she is the one who has to deal with the side effects later in life such as depression. However I don't think it should be used as a form of birth controle. There are too many people out ... More
More like side effects of relief and being able to provide for any children she had previously.
05/07/2013
hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl
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Originally posted by Carawr2015
I think that a woman should be able to have access to reliable and safe sexual health care at all times. If someone is using abortion as a form of birth control, we should look at their situation and see why there are no other forms of birth control ... More
Except the children in the system (in America, at least) are largely unadoptable, because one or both of their biological parents hasn't signed over custody. People want to adopt babies - it's the way it's always worked, and our system is set up against adoptive families, because of an insane belief that blood relatives are always best.

I do not believe people should be using abortion as birth control. Women should have plenty of information about birth control, and if they have a second abortion, then they should be getting an information session about their various options and proper usage.
05/07/2013
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
This is a really sensitive topic - actually I think it should be banned from the forum. But since it's not, I'll respond.

My niece is about 14 weeks pregnant and invited us to witness her ultrasound. This is not something I expected, I kind of see this as a private thing - but apparently this is very common now.

We were lead into a room with a couple of couches and a huge projection screen. In no time we were witnessing an unbelievable miracle.

We witnessed the baby's heart beating, watched it yawn and respond to the stimulus of her mother's cough. They measured the baby's femur, head and torso to confirm the estimated date of delivery. The 3D images were astounding - and they made a video of the whole thing.

Aborting this child is not 'healthcare', it's the purposeful destruction of a human life. We don't kill our children because they cause us discomfort or depression - why abort a child for that reason?
05/08/2013
Carawr2015 Carawr2015
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
This is a really sensitive topic - actually I think it should be banned from the forum. But since it's not, I'll respond.

My niece is about 14 weeks pregnant and invited us to witness her ultrasound. This is not something I expected, I ... More
We don't kill children because it's murder; they're been born and are able to live independent from their parent. A fetus isn't a child, it's a fetus. It becomes a child after it's born, but before that it's classified differently.

Most abortions are performed in the first trimester--the fetus is usually extremely small or just a clump of cells. There isn't awareness or thought, and the idea that a fetus feels pain during an abortion is a myth. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of abortions are performed after the first trimester, and an even tinier portion of those are performed late in pregnancy. Late-term abortions are almost always done because the fetus is dying/dead/causing problems that put the mother's life in critical danger.

The issue then becomes one of rights--pro-life arguments essentially put the rights of the fetus above those of the mother, who is a fully-realized and sentient person. There are also creepy issues of control: many people will put disclaimers on their abortion opinions (ex. "I don't believe in abortion except in cases of rape.") and believe that everyone should live by what THEY think is morally acceptable. The problem with disclaimers is that they usually pan out to mean "If this was forced on you, I guess it's not the worst thing if you have an abortion. But if you were having consensual sex, this baby will be your punishment." The problem with morals is that they are entirely subjective, and limiting the rights of other people is obviously bad.

My final issue is that the idea that abortions are done because of "discomfort or depression" is incredibly trivializing. Pregnancy can be extremely difficult and very painful both mentally and physically, so just dismissing it as just "discomfort" is pretty insulting. The idea that depression isn't a valid problem either is EXTREMELY problematic. Depression isn't just feeling sad--depression is a serious illness that takes an enormous toll on people. If someone with depression is forced to carry out a pregnancy that they don't want, the results can be catastrophic. But the real bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the reason is for someone getting an abortion--it isn't your uterus. It is literally NONE of your business if someone wants to get an abortion or not. You don't think people should have them? So what, don't have one. But don't think that limiting someone's rights to their own bodily autonomy is something that you should feel comfortable or justified in doing.
05/08/2013
Hentialover Hentialover
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Originally posted by HarlequinBunnie
How do you feel about abortion being used as birth controle?
I think it's terrible. Abortion isn't meant to be used for 'birth control', in fact it can only make getting pregnant again, much harder. However, all that said, i don't begrudge anyone for making a choice for their own future well being.
05/08/2013
sunflower sunflower
What?? Abortion as birth control? Abortion is what happens when birth control fails. I think that is extremely irresponsible and I think condoms are probably a lot cheaper than getting an abortion.
05/08/2013
Zombirella Zombirella
I don't think it should be used as a method. There are only a slight *few* circumstances in which I feel that it is okay to do, and I feel bad even saying that =/ If someone is just careless and winds up pregnant, I don't think that's an excuse to have an abortion, though it is ultimately a right each woman is entitled to.
05/08/2013
kendra30752 kendra30752
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Originally posted by HarlequinBunnie
How do you feel about abortion being used as birth controle?
I'm totally supportive of a woman's choice. I don't judge them & I cannot possibly know each and every female's personal situation, so I basically have very little opinion, I guess. I don't know that I'd say I have very little opinion really, but when it comes to a woman's reasoning behind her choices or anything like that, it's none of my business and I will never make it my business, because I feel like to do that (make her choices my business so that I can decide whether I think what she chose was right or wrong) would be to judge. So I just support them. I support other females & would expect (but know it isn't often given) the same support myself, if ever needed.

However, when abortion is continually used as a means of birth control, when someone who absolutely does not want to have a child, I can say I don't think it's the healthiest or safest alternative to birth control. I just wish more people knew more about how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. There is a lot more to know than most people think & it can be done in more ways than most people think, surprisngly.

I have more of an opinion on what someone chooses to do with their children when it directly affects me -- say they are not caring for the child and I am picking up the slack all by myself. I have an opinion on that right now. I have an opinion when I am seeing children suffer and hurt and go through struggles they shouldn't have to because their parents' multiple bad choices. If I'm seeing a child hurt and deal with things all because of multiple bad choices from a parent (and I happen to be extremely understanding in every case, so it has to go real far for me to get to that point) then I start feeling like I'm being put in a situation where I'm forced to be less... hmm.. Less supportive maybe is the word. Or I get a little bit upset for the kid, and sometimes a bit angry at the parent because I cannot always be what a kid can only get from their actual mother & it sucks to not be able to do something about the kids' struggles and pain. That is what I have an opinion on.

Otherwise, I'm not judging. The last thing a woman needs who has had an abortion is more guilt put on her, more condemnation because I can guarantee most of them feel it already, and plenty. Plus I'm not God. The only thing I think fellow females should do in this ordeal is to support these women because as easy as it is to see them as viscious monsters, the sad truth is that they are most likely hurting and in need of someone. This is what I have experienced, in seeing girls I know who have had abortions. I know a couple who have had multiple. I don't know why they didn't just take the pill -- perhaps they had a reason? I don't really question it.

No, I don't think abortion is the best or healthiest solution to unwanted pregnancies. It's not the easiest or the cheapest either. But it still happens. I don't know why. I happen to think that it is not a matter of how any of us feel about women who choose to abort, but more about why they choose to do it multiple times and how they can be helped. How they can be offered a different, less harmful & damaging solution.

And it also wouldn't hurt if we started putting rapists behind bars for once. Holding them accountable, for once.
05/08/2013
kendra30752 kendra30752
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Originally posted by Hentialover
I think it's terrible. Abortion isn't meant to be used for 'birth control', in fact it can only make getting pregnant again, much harder. However, all that said, i don't begrudge anyone for making a choice for their own future well being.
"...in fact, it can only make getting pregnant again, much harder."

Actually, that is mostly a myth. Abortion rarely affects one's ability to become pregnant again later in life, even multiple abortions. The only reason it is possible to have some affect is because of the D&C procedure weakens the cervix & can cause scarring on the cervix & uterus sometimes. Or because of the D&C from the abortion (or miscarriage) can result in the cervix dilating ("incompetent cervix"), but even that is often stitched to prevent it from being an issue & dilating too soon.

Abortion causing it to be harder to become pregnant again would mean that miscarriage where a D&C is necessary would also do the same thing -- lessen the person's chance of being able to become pregnant again later, which it very rarely does as well. Of course not every miscarriage requires a D&C, but you see what I'm saying I think.

And just another thing, the 2 people I know who have had more than 1 abortion each, they are both pregnant right now & both have had zero trouble becoming pregnant again multiple times after having abortions. So it certainly isn't as hard as people think. I remember being told this in health class, in high school too (that abortion can lessen the chances of becoming pregnant again).


P.S and I am one of those people out there who can't have children, who has lost the only two I was able to actually become pregnant with. And yet I still find it in my heart to understand that just because I hurt over losing mine and I supposedly "cannot" have children, this does not mean every other female feels the same way. Just like I wish that I had been able to keep mine, there are plenty of others out there who feel just as strongly on how they desperately do not want one. We tend to look over the more complex things -- more deeper into other's lives. Personally, from my eyes, it looks a lot worse for these kids who are stuck in violent homes, tossed around to other people everyday, or stuck in a foster home than for a kid who never had to suffer through it, but I'm not saying that's the case for every kid. Not at all, but I think forcing a woman to "have it" and then later toss it to some foster home for it to be tossed around in, or like an above commenter said, to be stuck not able to be adopted out into a loving home (P.S. #2. Not all those lovely adopting homes are loving and wonderful) isn't what I could consider to be this equally good solution to the mom having it and keeping it, as most people tend to think of it as. It's like people see it this way: she should have to have the child, but what she does with it after is nothing. Oh well, at least they made her have it. No it can be up for adoption, in an orphanage, living silently in a violent home because that mom truly didn't want a kid! Or even worse! Everyday I read stories in the news where yet another parent has been caught violating or cutting or some other type of horrrific crime on their child. Placed in trunks, etc. If she don't want it, why do we want to force her to have it when it's likely that later in life, the kid could grow up in torment?
05/08/2013
SourAppleMartini SourAppleMartini
Ignorant women who have multiple abortions disgust me. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% Pro Choice. Shit happens, people do get pregnant against their will: rape, ripped condom, drunken romp, etc. I get it. But when a woman gets abortions just because she cannot be bothered with birth control ...I just don't know what to say.
05/08/2013
dancingduo dancingduo
Abortion is not birth control. Period.

we also take the stance that abortion is murdering a child in safest place created for them. Its incredibly cruel. Now, do I believe they should be illegal? No. My beliefs are mine and I will share them, but to force either agenda goes against my belief that God gave us a choice. To obey his law or not. We will all have to live with those choices. Stats of third world countries where it is illegal simply causes back alley abortions and a higher infection rate. In my opinion, should someone choose to abort a child they should not be harmed by this type of scenario.
05/08/2013
KinkyKatieJames KinkyKatieJames
I'm pro-choice, but I HATE when people use abortion as a form of birth control. That's now what it was intended for and using it that way is ridiculous.
05/08/2013
HarlequinBunnie HarlequinBunnie
I wasn't trying to ask if abortion is right or wrong. I was trying to ask what are your views concerning using abortion as the only form of birth controle. I have known several young women who have had multiple abortions and not because a condom failed, they forgot to take there birth controle pill/ alt. birth controle methods, or because sexual assalt was a factor. They didn't do it because the babies life or their life was in danger. Two of the women were exotic dancers and they didn't want the inconvience of pregnacy. The other was pushed into it by her boyfriend who broke up with her the next day.

Now I am pro choice and I know its none of my buisness on what a woman does with her body. Frankly I don't care. I was just wondering what your thoughts were.

By the way late term abortions are still done in China and it is done for population controle. If the baby dies after 20 weeks most doctors (in the States) make the mother go through birth to help with the grieving process afterwards.

I also know that preventive birth controle is cheaper and safer then abortion. Sex-Ed is important for everyone. Thanks everyone for your opinion/ thoughts on this matter.
05/08/2013
snowminx snowminx
As birth control? NO. Abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Birth control is a prevention of pregnancy. There's a difference.
05/08/2013
alliegator alliegator
Disclaimer: I've never been pregnant, and am myself an adoptee from an unwanted pregnancy.

The way this discussion was framed seems to invite misunderstandings leading to heated emotional/anecdotal rants and slut-shaming. Um, not really necessary people.

I don't think abortion qualifies as "birth control" as the term is commonly used to mean "conception prevention." We culturally usually consider barriers (condoms/diaphragms/sp onges), hormonal contraceptives (pills/shots/patches/v aginal insert), IUDs, and spermicides to be "birth control". Making estimates from the Planned Parenthood site:
156 condoms (average 3 per week) ~$156
12 months of The Pill ~$180-$600
3 abortions in a year ~$900-$3000, and that is not going to include driving to find a clinic, hotel stays if the state has a mandatory waiting period, loss of wages for days off work to take care of the matter.

Financially and logistically, I personally don't class abortion as "birth control", but as a legitimate and important aspect of reproductive freedom. However a woman chooses to express her reproductive freedom (contraceptives, pregnancy to term, the rhythm method, sterilization, abortion, or having kids Michelle Duggar-style) it is her choice and her reasons are her own. We may not agree, but so long as someone else's choices do not threaten our own, then we should mind own own business.
05/08/2013
rosythorn rosythorn
That's awful! And expensive and I would think dangerous.
05/08/2013
butts butts
I'm VERY much for the right to choose, but NOT in any way as a birth control! It ISN'T birth control, it's a last resort if your birth control (condom, IUD, pill, etc.) fails.
05/08/2013
Sammi Sammi
I don't think it should be used that way. My first roommate in college had 6 abortions over a relatively short period of time - she didn't like to use the Pill or condoms, so when she got pregnant, she'd terminate the pregnancy as her means of birth control because she didn't want to have any kids while she was in school.
05/08/2013
bayosgirl bayosgirl
I think it's awful to use abortion as birth control. I believe in the right to choose, but it should be used as a last resort. Regular birth control should always be used...and there are more options than just condoms or the pill, as most people here should know.
05/08/2013
GONE! GONE!
Well, it's not a good idea health-wise. It's a better idea to just be responsible and use condoms or other forms of birth control in the first place. Make an effort!
05/09/2013
HarlequinBunnie HarlequinBunnie
Thank you to everyone who posted your comments on this topic. I hope all of you have a wonderful weekend.
05/10/2013
Sbmsvschoolgirl Sbmsvschoolgirl
Personally I think it's a terrible method of birth control. There are many better options out there. I think a woman has a right to get an abortion and choose what to do with her own body, but if there's a better way, why not use it? I personally wouldn't want to purposefully put myself in the position of deciding to get an abortion. I'll stick to other methods that keep me from getting pregnant in the first place.
05/10/2013
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