Are we there yet? And where is "there" anyway??

spiced spiced
We had dinner with friends this evening and we wandered into a bizarre discussion which I thought I should share with the Eden Community.

Are we — as a society — "there" yet?

And what would "there" look like to you anyway?

Our loose consensus version of "there" from the dinner conversation would be when we as a society live sustainably (getting all our energy from renewable sources, etc), when everyone has the same chance to succeed, and when everyone can simply be who they are without being oppressed for it. And we all agreed we're not there yet, by a long shot.

Personally I'm not even sure we're actually moving in the right direction. When I'm feeling optimistic, it feels like two steps up and one step back; when I'm feeling pessimistic, it feels like one step up and TWO steps back. What do YOU think?
Answers (private voting - your screen name will NOT appear in the results):
We're there. I'll explain what "there" is in a comment.
We're NOT there and I'll explain where "there" is in a comment.
3  (33%)
We're almost there. I'll explain where "there" is in a comment.
I have no idea where "there" is, but I think we're there anyway, wherever it is.
I have no idea where "there" is, and I DON'T think we're there, wherever it is.
1  (11%)
I have no idea where "there" is, but I think we're almost there, wherever it is.
Other?
5  (56%)
Total votes: 9
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04/26/2013
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Martiniman Martiniman
I think "there" is going to be different for most people, at least enough different people that a true "there" for everyone will never be achieved. Human nature, religions, politics, mind sets, etc, just won't allow for it. It sounds great and I'd love to see it, but I don't think it will ever happen. I'd love to be optimistic, but being realistic just seems more logical.
04/27/2013
GONE! GONE!
We won't really be moving in the right direction until all the ultra-conservative people who don't believe in human rights die off. Also, capitalism is standing in our way in a lot of ways. It should be used for good, not evil. For example, it causes issues with renewable energy.
04/27/2013
TJax TJax
Philosophical answer: We will never be 'there' because there is no final destination. Instead you should focus on the journey and how we got to wherever we are.

Scientific answer: The final destination is death and when we live forever, we will finally have no destination but the future.
04/27/2013
spiced spiced
Quote:
Originally posted by TJax
Philosophical answer: We will never be 'there' because there is no final destination. Instead you should focus on the journey and how we got to wherever we are.

Scientific answer: The final destination is death and when we live ... More
Sure... but — I think it would be extremely helpful to have some common goals to work towards, some intermediate "theres" before the "final destination".

I'm actually fairly optimistic that we'll at least agree on a few common goals in the next few years. I think it's already happening with marriage equality and a few other things.

We don't need anything close to 100% agreement, just a solid majority, big enough to wrest control of the political process away from the moneyed interests which currently dominate it.
04/27/2013
gsfanatic gsfanatic
Nope, and there is a place where everyone can be and live comfortably with themselves and others
04/28/2013
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Unique posters: 5