Sorry but I need to get this off my chest.

Contributor: sexystuffeve sexystuffeve
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I first found EF back in 2010, I was looking for a P-spot toy and Eden was the first site that showed up when I did a Google search. Not only did I find an ass load of toys to choose from, I also found this wonderful forum. It was filled with ... more
I agree with you!
When I first came on this site I posted something in the wrong place(not knowing how everything worked yet) and got dozens of rude comments accusing me of "farming" at that point I didn't even know what the points where for, I got flagged a couple of times and I was so embarrassed. thankfully everything got resolved, but I almost left just because of how I was treated.
04/25/2012
Contributor: Gracie Gracie
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
I agree. As a new comer I can say.... although some in the community have been so very very kind to me. Honestly. I just love my friends here. But to be totally honest about the community. I am scared to death to even post anything. like answering ... more
Lori, I think you're doing great. Just keep being yourself and it will get better! Frankly, I think youre awesome! I think the more you say and the more people get to know you the more at home you will begin to feel. Its funny, I feel just the opposite. I feel comfortable here on the forum, but the thought of writing a review scares the crap out of me! If I can do anything to make you feel more welcome let me know! And please don't regret saying how you honestly feel! How else will people know? And hopefuly your thoughts help others too!
04/25/2012
Contributor: wrmbreze wrmbreze
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
Once again, I am not pointing fingers. This is something that has been going on since before the points started. Not just recent events, honestly this is something that has been building up in me for a long time.

For all I know it has not ... more
I didn't think you were pointing fingers, I was just saying that I didn't realize what I am some others were posting was being seen as rude, it was not my intention at least, I was trying to be helpful. It always helps to have a second set of eyes to give a fresh perspective.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by sexystuffeve
I agree with you!
When I first came on this site I posted something in the wrong place(not knowing how everything worked yet) and got dozens of rude comments accusing me of "farming" at that point I didn't even know what the points ... more
Thank you for sharing. It tells me I am not totally off base here.

Glad everything worked out, and even more glad you stayed.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by wrmbreze
I didn't think you were pointing fingers, I was just saying that I didn't realize what I am some others were posting was being seen as rude, it was not my intention at least, I was trying to be helpful. It always helps to have a second set of ... more
No worries. I just thought maybe I came across as such.

I would not say it is seen as rude (Not you specifically or anyone else) but I worry what others may see it as. Like I said, I have done it too before and now I worry at what image I gave them. And you know tone and feeling are hard to express with words.

Already I can see that at least some folks have been offended/scared by these kinds of comments. So if this is an eye opener for every one then all the better, eh?

04/25/2012
Contributor: Chilipepper Chilipepper
In complete honesty, this place IS confusing. I ended up not hanging out here for over a month (net access reasons) and came back to find everything totally rearranged and not where it was when I left. Took me most of a day to reorient myself, and I already knew what was supposed to be around the place!

So, granted, there's going to be some confusion from noobs for the first couple of weeks, especially if they do have a question and don't know where to look for the answer. Patience. I know even I get snarky about the profusion of repeat questions, but we've got to remind ourselves that the noobs are trying to catch up in their own way, not annoy us on purpose.

Lori, it seems you arrived here while I was gone, so my belated greeting - welcome and continue to have fun. ^_^
04/25/2012
Contributor: Ryuson Ryuson
I always try and be welcoming and answer their questions, and if they are acting like point farmers I try and give them warning. Something like "Posting a smiley face on all of the products looks like point farming, and leaving real comments is more fun and helps you make friends! I just wanted to let you know because point farming can get you in big trouble and I don't want you to get banned or anything!"

I know that my first forum posts were preeety spammy (the usual "I am new!" or "What are your favorite materials?" silly things) and they never got responses. I think that that's a good way to 'teach' newcommers what's appropriate and what gets people talking.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Chilipepper
In complete honesty, this place IS confusing. I ended up not hanging out here for over a month (net access reasons) and came back to find everything totally rearranged and not where it was when I left. Took me most of a day to reorient myself, and I ... more
I know what you mean. I too was sort of gone for awhile (Crazy hours at work, like 12 hour shifts) and all the changes caught me off guard too.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Ryuson
I always try and be welcoming and answer their questions, and if they are acting like point farmers I try and give them warning. Something like "Posting a smiley face on all of the products looks like point farming, and leaving real comments is ... more
Both great ideas, I really like your warning. That's a nice and friendly way of letting them know.
04/25/2012
Contributor: Zombirella Zombirella
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Originally posted by wrmbreze
I honestly did it because I thought I was being helpful. When I said to the contributor writing the post, I simply said most of the time that they would get better results if they read the reviews and if the reviews didn't answer their questions ... more
Exactly, I say it nice. I do admit one time I wasn't but this person posted 2 reviews that were identical and then copied someone else's review and posted it to a totally different product and I was just annoyed already that someone was scamming the site.

I know everyone is new at some point. I never offered to have them come to me for help because I thought they might think I was being arrogant or something or implying they were not smart enough to navigate the site themselves.

I do know that sometimes even after reading the reviews you still want the opinion of others, I've made a post before after reading reviews because I just had trouble making a decision.
04/25/2012
Contributor: Raigne Raigne
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Originally posted by Dawn (Lilac Distraction)
Oh, and maybe putting a character minimum for threads would be a good idea so we could get rid of the whole "I like it." "Cute." "Nice." and "Is this good?" threads. If you're going to start a topic ... more
This actually sounds like a good idea to me. It forces them to put just a little thought into the post, and even if they were originally just posting to point farm, it could turn into something that will be valuable to others.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Zombirella
Exactly, I say it nice. I do admit one time I wasn't but this person posted 2 reviews that were identical and then copied someone else's review and posted it to a totally different product and I was just annoyed already that someone was ... more
In that case, I totally understand. We all want to stop those kinds of spammers/point farmers. I also understand about offering help. About half the folks I make that offer too never respond but the other half were more than happy to have some help. A couple of them turned out to be great friends.

It is a hard line, I know. I just want to make people feel comfortable around here and I know most of the contributors do too.

Like wrmbreze said "It always helps to have a second set of eyes to give a fresh perspective."
04/25/2012
Contributor: Raigne Raigne
Quick note about people who ask for help and then disappear. I never thanked the person on the post I made asking for help, because I was worried a post that merely said thank you might be seen as point farming. :x
04/25/2012
Contributor: GONE! GONE!
Yeah, I see your point. I'm always scared people will think I'm just trying to point farm when I post threads once in a while asking for people's toy opinions when I actually just want my opinion tipped in one direction or the other because I've already read the reviews and can't decide, haha. I've never ever had someone be rude or anything to me though.
04/25/2012
Contributor: XxFallenAngelxX XxFallenAngelxX
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I first found EF back in 2010, I was looking for a P-spot toy and Eden was the first site that showed up when I did a Google search. Not only did I find an ass load of toys to choose from, I also found this wonderful forum. It was filled with ... more
Spoken from the heart, great post!
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Raigne
Quick note about people who ask for help and then disappear. I never thanked the person on the post I made asking for help, because I was worried a post that merely said thank you might be seen as point farming. :x
See, that to me is part of the problem. Why should folks be scared of asking questions or thanking someone? That is why the forums are here, so we can share and learn. Folks toss that "Point Farming" expression around way to easy.

Thanks for posting your experience.
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by GONE!
Yeah, I see your point. I'm always scared people will think I'm just trying to point farm when I post threads once in a while asking for people's toy opinions when I actually just want my opinion tipped in one direction or the other ... more
Glad to hear that Gold Lion. Please, don't be scared to ask something. That is why we are all here, eh?

04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by XxFallenAngelxX
Spoken from the heart, great post!
Thank you. ~hugs~
04/25/2012
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I first found EF back in 2010, I was looking for a P-spot toy and Eden was the first site that showed up when I did a Google search. Not only did I find an ass load of toys to choose from, I also found this wonderful forum. It was filled with ... more
You make some good points, Tim.

I think it's hard, when one is a "seasoned" member of a site like this to remember what we felt like when we first arrived. I don't know if I started many threads. I did start one about my frustration with the ease with which poor reviewers were allowed to breeze into the Advanced Review status (which I took very seriously and took 2 months and eight reviews before I applied) I was shot down, and some of the people who shot me down were.... well, let's just say people who (to me) represented Eden and should have known better.

I think we can all try to ignore repetitive threads, obvious point farming and still be welcoming.

I think we are going through a transition at Eden, as this is a dynamic site and a dynamic business and we all need to be able to adapt to new things as we go. (How many times do we hear, "It was so and so when I got here and now it sucks." from older reviewers. Things change.)

Yes, we need to be welcoming. I think a short answer and a kind suggestion to read the reviews may be a good idea. (As we all know the "Search" function could use some revamping and isn't really the fix for the issue.) I also think a lot of new members somehow think we all own all the toys Eden offers (I think Brandon told me recently, there are over 50,000 individual items on sale by Eden!) and don't realize that their thread may not be answered or may not realize that the reviews will answer most of their questions. We do however, need to help get fresh members in the habit of reading reviews to learn about products, though. It's how most of us learn, and it's essential to function at Eden. Not to mention we all feel the "publish or die" pressure, so more readings of our reviews the better for all of us.

Thank you for bringing this up.

04/25/2012
Contributor: Ansley Ansley
I just want to say that I am loving all of you right now. Just sayin'.
04/25/2012
Contributor: unfulfilled unfulfilled
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
ok now i'm offically totally regreating posting this. so sorry. i'm not trying to upset anyone i swear i'm not. i love EF..
Don't regret anything you say on the forums Lori! You're a good person
and your reviews are excellent and they should speak for themselves.

HUGS!
04/25/2012
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Loriandhubby
I agree. As a new comer I can say.... although some in the community have been so very very kind to me. Honestly. I just love my friends here. But to be totally honest about the community. I am scared to death to even post anything. like answering ... more
Aw, lori, Honey, you're liked.

It can take a while to get comfortable in a new place, I know. For the most part, we're pretty nice people here.

You and your man are loved. Please don't feel unwanted. Your input is valued a lot!
04/25/2012
Contributor: unfulfilled unfulfilled
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Originally posted by Gracie
Lori, I think you're doing great. Just keep being yourself and it will get better! Frankly, I think youre awesome! I think the more you say and the more people get to know you the more at home you will begin to feel. Its funny, I feel just ... more
Gracie, I hope you decide to write a review, because I know you've tried a lot of items and we could all benefit from your experience.
04/25/2012
Contributor: unfulfilled unfulfilled
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Originally posted by Gracie
Lori, I think you're doing great. Just keep being yourself and it will get better! Frankly, I think youre awesome! I think the more you say and the more people get to know you the more at home you will begin to feel. Its funny, I feel just ... more
Gracie, I hope you decide to write a review, because I know you've tried a lot of items and we could all benefit from your experience.
04/25/2012
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
First off, I am sorry you feel that way. That is just not right to me. We are an open welcoming community, to hear this just pisses me off even more. There should be no worries about asking a question or posting stuff to the forums.

Hugs back ... more
Yep. Tim's a Dead Eye with an Eleven and a sling shot!
04/25/2012
Contributor: P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Dawn (Lilac Distraction)
"Not only did I find an ass load of toys to choose from . . ."

That made me lol a little, but on a more serious note . . .

I have, on occasion, been one of the people to tell these posters that they can find more information ... more
Lilac has a point, too. When seasoned members start to not care and don't want to even visit the board, due to an influx of obviously point farming stuff, it hurts us all, and in a way that cuts to the core of the community.

There must be a happy medium for all this.

I, too, have found myself skimming the board or my profile and skipping pages, either due to "Is this any good?" posts on the board, or 2 or 3 pages of lures (sometimes all of them from one person) that, at least IMO, clog up my profile page, so I can't see new reviews or what is being talked about on the board.

How can we remedy these issues?
04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by P'Gell
You make some good points, Tim.

I think it's hard, when one is a "seasoned" member of a site like this to remember what we felt like when we first arrived. I don't know if I started many threads. I did start one about my ... more
Thanks for chiming in P'Gell.

You hit the nail on the head, EF is ever changing and for most of us we embrace it. Sure we hit a few bumps along the road but once things smooth out we find ourselves enjoying the new road better.

This discusion has brought up a new idea about the product page and I will be posting about it in the Community thread. My idea, thanks to Lilac and Zombirella, is to have the button that starts a thread lead a person to the search function, that way they can search the forums first before posting a new thread. As we all know most of the time the topic has been brought up. It may just be a small step but that's how we all learn and grow.

04/25/2012
Contributor: ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Ansley
I just want to say that I am loving all of you right now. Just sayin'.
Awe shucks little darlin, we love you too!
04/25/2012
Contributor: xOhxSoxScandalousx xOhxSoxScandalousx
I completely agree with you. When I first joined I had asked a question I really wanted to be answered and got stupid responses such as "there's like 16 reviews, read them" or something like that. I know there are reviews on the product. I'm not stupid. I read most of them and did not find the answer I was looking for. Would it kill some people just to be nice and answer my question without trying to make a person feel dumb? Some questions are genuine. I hate the "Search the forum first for your question and if you didn't find the answer then post your question" responses. Well what if that person already searched the forum for a question they had and really didn't find it? Who are you to tell them to look harder or to keep looking? Just answer the darn question if you know it. Lol. If you don't then don't post and move on. Yeah some people really do point farm but we can't assume everyone does it.

Thanks for being honest ToyTimeTim.
04/25/2012
Contributor: mpfm mpfm
I am glad you brought this up TTT. I discovered the forums last summer when I was researching a specific product. I didn't even know about the reviews let alone the whole point program. Over the course of a month I read a lot of posts about my intended purchase. I never posted - just read. I made my purchase based on the info in the forums.

It was a few months later that I realized there was so much here. Now of course I read reviews first, but I didn't start that way. I hope the forums remain a welcoming place with lots of information.
04/25/2012