Wasp spray for defense.

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Wasp spray for defense.

ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can sitting on your desk or in your car.

So what do you think? I think that it is a great idea but I am not sure about the legal ramifications.
08/22/2010
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kck kck
Quote:
Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
This sounds absolutely scary to get sprayed with! Dunno about the legal stuff though.
I just carry mace on key chain
08/22/2010
DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
Legality will probably depend on your state (location, not mental/emotional ) Assuming that you were using it in defense, rather than an act of aggression, I can't think of an instance in which you would be liable in a court of law for any damages inflicted. Laws for self defense generally state that you are allowed to use necessary and proportionate non-deadly force when you believe that unlawful force is about to be believed on you. So. If someone comes up to you and looks like they're going to swing at you, you can legally spray him in the eye, but you can't spray it down his throat to try to suffocate him unless you believe grievous bodily harm/death is about to go down.

I'm not a lawyer, though, so you should definitely research the specific laws for your state, but I can't imagine a scenario in which you would be held liable unless you just went up to people and zapped them in the eye unprovoked.
08/22/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Legality will probably depend on your state (location, not mental/emotional ) Assuming that you were using it in defense, rather than an act of aggression, I can't think of an instance in which you would be liable in a court of law for any ...
I was thinking along the same lines, it seems to me it would be in the same category of mace or pepper spray.

I thought it would be good because it will shoot so far.
08/22/2010
DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I was thinking along the same lines, it seems to me it would be in the same category of mace or pepper spray.

I thought it would be good because it will shoot so far.
Right, but the only problem with that, is that in some states mace/OC spray is either illegal or considered a concealed weapon, which is why I 100% implore you to check out weapons laws for your state. I mean, I guess you could always say that you just so happened to have it on hand, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of lawyers fees.

I've never tried wasp/bee spray (I live in an apartment, so if something like that comes up... Hello? I'd like to speak with the super! But I can totally imagine how it would be better than either of the two. But, if possible, try to take a defense course that focuses on the use of mace/OC spray because anything you bring into a situation as a weapon can just as easily be turned against you, and such a class could minimize that occurrence.
08/22/2010
kck kck
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Right, but the only problem with that, is that in some states mace/OC spray is either illegal or considered a concealed weapon, which is why I 100% implore you to check out weapons laws for your state. I mean, I guess you could always say that you ...
I agree with the whole your weapons can be used against you thing. I heard that at some college, a girl was sprayed with mace by her attacker. That's crazy! Taking a class on self-defense and knowing your state laws is definitely a great idea. Good advice, DeliciousSurprise!
08/22/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Right, but the only problem with that, is that in some states mace/OC spray is either illegal or considered a concealed weapon, which is why I 100% implore you to check out weapons laws for your state. I mean, I guess you could always say that you ...
I have many ways to defend my self, various forms of hand to hand combat, weapons of various types, guns and archery equipment etc etc. Plus at 30 feet I do not think they will get close enough to take it away from me.

I was looking to see if any body had heard of this, not if you think I should use this.

Thanks for you advice though, I think that everyone should take some form of self defense training.
08/22/2010
onehotmomma onehotmomma
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
totally legal. my friends just got their apartment broken into, and she said what can she use to protect herself besides a gun, since she doesn't like guns. They told her wasp spray. Pepper spray won't stop someone determined enough to get what they want. This is in Washington state, so I don't know what the laws are everywhere.
08/23/2010
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by DeliciousSurprise
Right, but the only problem with that, is that in some states mace/OC spray is either illegal or considered a concealed weapon, which is why I 100% implore you to check out weapons laws for your state. I mean, I guess you could always say that you ...
Even worse, if you're not careful, you could just as easily turn it against yourself! I heard of a woman (friend of a friend of a friend ) whose can of mace leaked in her purse and she cleaned up the mess, but rubbed her eyes right after without washing her hands first, much to her dismay. I don't know how wasp spray and mace compare, but I'd imagine that would still be pretty painful!
08/23/2010
VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
If wasp spray can kill wasps in the blink of an eye (I witnessed it this morning when I took down a huge nest on my patio), it can SERIOUSLY do some damage to a human. Honestly, I have a permit for a concealed weapon. I took self defense. I have mace. I'm not about to lug a huge can of wasp spray in my purse just because.

Now, I do keep some by my bed just in case.
08/23/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
I would be worried that it could kill an innocent person in the process. I am violently allergic to some types of bug spray. Then again it's all about fighting for your life often times. Gray issue in the extreme...and legal ramifications. I don't want to be paying some scumbag rapist, murderer, or thief a wad of cash because it's illegal or judged to be excessive.
08/23/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
Even worse, if you're not careful, you could just as easily turn it against yourself! I heard of a woman (friend of a friend of a friend ) whose can of mace leaked in her purse and she cleaned up the mess, but rubbed her eyes right after without ...
Gawd that stuff burns...I was cutting up some banana peppers at a restaurant one day a while back and rubbed at my eyes. I was in real tears for while after (I have very sensitive skin)I can't imagine what mace would do!
08/23/2010
DeliciousSurprise DeliciousSurprise
I'm so curious about this, so I did a little research.

Having never heard the idea of using wasp spray for self-defense, nor having ever seen what it does to people if you accidentally spritz it in your eyes, I googled "wasp spray in eyes" and the first thing that popped up was snopes talking about wasp spray in eyes. It's got some interesting info about what to look for, in checking legality (they reference Michigan penal code as their example) as well as linked to a pepper spray fogger that covers 25 feet in distance.

Unfortunately, it doesn't tell me anything about what wasp spray feels like, so I guess i'll have to live in curiosity, this is one thing that I don't want to try out on my own.

Anyhow, further along in my research I found something that did bring me pause, because it's where the legality gets tricksy... Because on every can of wasp spray, bug spray, etc. is a warning that the product is not intended or approved to be used on humans, the act of bringing it with you in a purse or some such thing could be seen as premeditation (you *intended* to use this on a person, not on a wasp) whereas OC spray has been formulated to disable but not permanently harm. I mean, it wouldn't be a criminal case by any means, nor do I know if it would hold water but it gave me pause.

I'm wishing now that I'd paid a bit more attention in my law courses...
08/23/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
I've heard this too and yes it does shoot far (to get high up nests), but I don't think it goes THAT far.
08/23/2010
Envy Envy
Hmmm... Like the spray spray? Or the foaming spray? I love that foaming for killing those damn wasps.... Never heard it being used for defense before, but then again any chemical in a can/bottle can be used for defense, really.
08/23/2010
Kindred Kindred
I've never heard of this before. I could maybe see using a can in your house in an emergency situation. However, it doesn't seem practical to carry around a can in your purse. They are not typically purse sized unless you carry a really big purse, and if your purse is that big, you're probably not going to find the can in a rush.
08/23/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
I've never heard of this before but it does make sense that it would work, in my opinion.
08/23/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
I agree that carrying it would be a problem, the can is large.
We live in the country somewhat so having a can is kinda necessary in the warm months.

Like DeliciousSurprise was saying, in a defensive situation, I think a person could get away with it, but like any home defense option, make sure this is something you want to do. Ya know don't pull a gun/knife unless you plan to use it.

I have had the mist on my face and it did burn a little, thankfully not in my eye's. The taste is horrible to. After my "new neighbor" visited us I am wondering if it would work on dangerous animals also.
08/23/2010
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I agree that carrying it would be a problem, the can is large.
We live in the country somewhat so having a can is kinda necessary in the warm months.

Like DeliciousSurprise was saying, in a defensive situation, I think a person could get ...
It might also just piss them off and make them aggressive...
08/23/2010
El-Jaro El-Jaro
just imagine how apropos it would be if your attacker was a white anglo-saxon protestant! Or if we were invaded by space-wasps!

I would worry about the can exploding in a hot car though.
08/23/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
just imagine how apropos it would be if your attacker was a white anglo-saxon protestant! Or if we were invaded by space-wasps!

I would worry about the can exploding in a hot car though.
HAHAHA...Wasp-zombie apocalypse.
08/23/2010
kck kck
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
just imagine how apropos it would be if your attacker was a white anglo-saxon protestant! Or if we were invaded by space-wasps!

I would worry about the can exploding in a hot car though.
LOL.
08/23/2010
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
just imagine how apropos it would be if your attacker was a white anglo-saxon protestant! Or if we were invaded by space-wasps!

I would worry about the can exploding in a hot car though.
Now you're just opening yourself up to discrimination law suits.

What you should really be using is non-denominational pest killer.
08/23/2010
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
I think it depends. Women have actually been prosecuted for using Mace or Pepper Spray. Not that you shouldn't have it, I think they are a good idea. But, some rapists have claimed they did nothing and were attacked by a woman with a can of Pepper Spray. Some of the women, especially if there was "no evidence" of sexual assault (which makes me crazy, a woman has to PROVE she was assaulted by actually being harmed?) were prosecuted for Assault.

Wasp sprays are usually very potent pesticides. They can cause long term health problems if breathed or sprayed into the mouth, eyes or nose.

I'd think twice about it. As much as a woman assaulted would want to maybe blind the rapist, it might actually cause her to be the one with more legal troubles.

Sadly, this country doesn't prosecute sex crimes well, and a woman could end up with a fine or even jail time for "assault" with a toxin like wasp spray. The thing about Pepper Spray is they are formulated not to cause "permanent harm." Same reason REAL Mace is not legally available. It's toxic as well.

I'm not saying I agree, just the way our laws are set up.

I think if someone broke into you HOUSE, and tried to assault you, you'd have a much better chance of not being tried as the aggressor, than if you were carrying it around in your purse. Breaking and entering, itself is a crime, and you have legal right to defend your property (more than you have legal right to defend your BODY, believe or not) so I'd say it would be less of a problem in your home.

Maybe Sex,Lies and Law would know, this contributor is a law student.
08/23/2010
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
I need to get some of this stuff, I think I would also pick up some raccoon and squirrel spray too.
08/23/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Gary
I need to get some of this stuff, I think I would also pick up some raccoon and squirrel spray too.
Just don't confuse them, the raccoon spray may not work on squirrels.
08/23/2010
usmcwife99 usmcwife99
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I received a email today saying the best 'spay' for self defense is wasp spray. The person recommending it says that it will shoot 20-30 feet and will blind the person until they get treatment. Plus nobody would think twice about a can ...
Trually I would get a good mace, if your going to carry a spray form of deffense.

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I have had previous training with that product within the military, allthough we used a little stronger version. Its rated at 3million HCU(the civilian version). It is illiegal to carry in new york. I am not sure about other states, it all depends upon the state. Its very strong and one of the other things I love about it is that it will die the skin green. I like that because if you do call the police and they get involved in chacing a guy who stole your purse or something all they have to do is look for the guy with green ink marks.

We used wasp spray for training, its not as strong as your "self deffence peper spray" that you see in stores....it may shoot farther but the effect does not last but a few seconds. You also have to be sure to get it in the eyes with wasp spray. Mace will directly irritate the skin.


Let me also add you can have all the mace in the world but IT WILL NOT COMEPLETLY STOP A CRIMINAL. If someone has been to jail a few times and has been in crime his whole life it may not affect him at all. Same as some law enforcemnt they get a little more used to it then the average joe who doesnt see it on a average joe.

I would recomend taking a self deffense course if you feel the need. Basic moves that are very simple can do alot better then mace.

Most of all be carefull, dont fool around with any from of pepper spray
08/24/2010
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by usmcwife99
Trually I would get a good mace, if your going to carry a spray form of deffense.

link

I have had previous training with that product within the military, allthough we used a little stronger version. Its rated at 3million HCU(the ...
Good info, thanks.
08/24/2010
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
Just don't confuse them, the raccoon spray may not work on squirrels.
Good Point!
08/25/2010
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by usmcwife99
Trually I would get a good mace, if your going to carry a spray form of deffense.

link

I have had previous training with that product within the military, allthough we used a little stronger version. Its rated at 3million HCU(the ...
I find it a bit disconcerting that the US Military uses a pesticide as a training tool. These chemicals are formulated to kill quickly and can do a great deal of damage to the respiratory system, the immune system and the digestive system of insects, animals and humans alike.

People who are accidentally exposed to this stuff have come into the ER and often come in VERY sick. People have died from exposure, both long term and short term to anti-cholinergic drugs, which is what most pesticides are. We have to dose them with heavy Atropine, give them respiratory support, and sometimes they need dialysis to rid the body of this stuff. Some people, especially children who have consumed these anticholinergics, and people who work for pesticide companies and have somehow been exposed to large amounts of these drugs either by breathing it, or absorbing it through the skin have died from exposure to them.

A few years ago, two boys who walked across a golf course which was very heavily sprayed in the evening with an anticholinergic pesticide were brought in to our ER and they were both near death. Thankfully, with medical care, they both survived.

Your comments that the Military uses these for "Training" scares me a little.
08/25/2010
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