Condoms, Porn, AIDS Debate.

Gary Gary
I was just reading two articles where the experts are talking about condom use in porn, and the risk of aids. One article is on AVN, and the otherr is on the NPR site. This topic has been coming up more and more. It seems strange to me that regulation of safety so far, has been determined by consumer dollars. What do you think?
05/05/2010
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Elodie Elodie
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Originally posted by Gary
I was just reading two articles where the experts are talking about condom use in porn, and the risk of aids. One article is on AVN, and the otherr is on the NPR site. This topic has been coming up more and more. It seems strange to me that ... More
I agree. Seeing people endanger their health and that of others is definitely not a turn-on to me, and I don't think it should even be about what people find hot or not. I think it's dehumanizing to treat porn stars as objects rather than human beings, and I don't find dehumanization hot.
05/05/2010
Saraid Saraid
I'm a fan of safe sex in porn and I think most people that don't like it just aren't used to it.
05/05/2010
Sammi Sammi
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Originally posted by Gary
I was just reading two articles where the experts are talking about condom use in porn, and the risk of aids. One article is on AVN, and the otherr is on the NPR site. This topic has been coming up more and more. It seems strange to me that ... More
I wonder if there's any kind of information on how the condom/non-condom porn sells in relation to each other, which I'd imagine having a lot to do with condom use now. I can see how consumer dollars drive the production though - that's true with more things than porn.

I think if it went to all condom use (mandatory), people would either adapt, or stick with what they have from before the regulations.
05/05/2010
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Sammi
I wonder if there's any kind of information on how the condom/non-condom porn sells in relation to each other, which I'd imagine having a lot to do with condom use now. I can see how consumer dollars drive the production though - that's ... More
I think Vivid mentioned that over the ~7 year period when they made condoms mandatory, their sales dropped 20%. The almighty dollar spoke, unfortunately. Also, if condom use was made mandatory in, say, a state or a nation, people have, and probably would just stop buying from regulated producers or areas. There will always be underground filming of porn (not just amateur stuff), and there will always be somewhere else in the country or in the world where it's legal to make porn without condoms. They just can't truly enforce an "all porn must use condoms" law universally and effectively.

The other problem is that most porn watchers aren't rational about their viewing tastes. They don't want to "get used to" seeing condoms and other safe sex practices. They don't want to adapt. They want whatever it is they're looking for that gets them off, and they want it now. Unfortunately, for many people, that's barrier-free porn. For many people, the instant they see a condom, it "interrupts" it for them, it disrupts the experience somehow. Anything that gets in the way of their jack-off session gets passed over, and they move on to something that doesn't. Unfortunately, that's just how most porn-viewers seem to operate, based on how the money gets spent.

Personally? I would love to see all porn use barriers. (The one exception possibly being mutually strictly monogamous couples) As a theater person, I can never NOT see someone on screen as an actor as well as the role. They're real people to me, so if I don't see barriers, a little piece in the back of my head worries about it... while I'm trying to get off. If I see barriers, I can relax and enjoy it. I know I'm in a very tiny minority, though.
05/06/2010
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Saraid
I'm a fan of safe sex in porn and I think most people that don't like it just aren't used to it.
That is a great point! At first it would be weird, but after a while you wouldn't even notice.
05/06/2010
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
Condoms in porn don't ruin the experience for me (but bad acting still does ). Barrier-less porn doesn't freak me out either, but when condoms are present, there's a definite sense of added security... kind of like a safety net at a circus, I guess.
05/06/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
I don't see why condoms have to be the only option. Why is it so difficult to just disallow people with potential to spread disease from being in porn? The answer is probably MONEY as well, since testing is more expensive than a $20 box of condoms. So yeah, it IS stupid to me that safety is disregarded, but condoms and barriers are not the only option. You can't spontaneously create disease where there was none. Regulation is needed but condoms shouldn't be mandatory, imo.

Seriously, condoms make the guys dick look like a little pressed sausage, and its just so gross to me, and usually pointless anyways since they take it off for the cumshot in most cases- which would, guess what, still spread disease if there was one.
Japan doesn't seem to have nearly as many issues as we do with this. They must be doing something right, since those girls literally roll in semen and piss all day long. And I have only seen a condom in japanese porn ONCE.

Harsher testing, restrictions, etc, would do just as good of a job, in fact better, but people want the easiest and cheapest solution as always. People who think condoms are a bandage for every problem the porn industry in the US are misguided. Realistically, on a porn set, they're probably going to be doing some fluid sharing anyways, and the day I have to watch two people touching through plastic wrap is the day porn becomes completely lost to me.
05/06/2010
DONOTSHOPHERETHEOWNERISPSYCHO DONOTSHOPHERETHEOWNERISPSYCHO
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Originally posted by Darling Dove
I don't see why condoms have to be the only option. Why is it so difficult to just disallow people with potential to spread disease from being in porn? The answer is probably MONEY as well, since testing is more expensive than a $20 box of ... More
Even with testing there is still the possibility to spread diseases and infections around. One of the biggest HIV scares was after a porn star got tested, he still transmitted HIV to two actresses before anyone knew about it. There are certain STD's that won't be picked up for a certain period of time. Porn stars don't always just do one shoot and go home. They fuck for hours and hours, they fly to a new location and fuck some more people for hours and hours more. You won't necessarily know if someone picked up something in between shoots!

I'm sorry, but working in the sex industry doesn't mean that your safety should be less of a priority. OSHA makes construction workers wear hardhats for a reason, as ugly as they are, as hot and heavy as they are. There shouldn't be anything gross or unattractive about knowing that the people you're watching on tv are being safe.
05/07/2010
Elodie Elodie
There's also the fact that there is no test for HPV in males that I'm aware of. 80% of sexually active Americans will get HPV at some point in their lives. It can cause cervical cancer.

What I find gross and unattractive is human beings risking their lives and health just to turn people on.
05/07/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
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Originally posted by DONOTSHOPHERETHEOWNERISPSYCHO
Even with testing there is still the possibility to spread diseases and infections around. One of the biggest HIV scares was after a porn star got tested, he still transmitted HIV to two actresses before anyone knew about it. There are certain ... More
Then they should align their schedules to be compatible with testing. My point is, if all good goes in, bad cannot come out. Take a break from porn production for a while. Make someone pass tests multiple times over months to get in, Random testing, like drug testing, as well as mandated regular testing.

The girls in Vegas seem to have no problems with disease. They get tested. Japan also doesnt have problems with disease. They test.

Trying to say testing wont work is only because people are too lazy and stubborn to make it work. If they could use clear, and properly fitting non-sausage-dick condoms maybe I wouldnt care but I will never watch people doing it through those huge barrier sheets, I'm sorry, but that is gross to me.

Sometimes, what's culturally acceptable or morally right just doesn't get the old engine going- after all, look at all the guro/gore fetishists. Yes, there are things that dont get picked up on tests until over time. So like I said test multiple times over a time period and only allow solo or condomed work until then. But condoms should never be mandatory for everyone. Testing should be mandatory. Condoms are a choice.

Realistically, if people are willing to dedicate themselves to either form of protection, it WILL work. Nobody can pick something up between shoots if all the people are tested over time as clean. Disease does not happen spontaneously. I'm not ignoring what you're saying, I just think that diseased people who transmit such things should be in another line of work where they arent putting others at risk anyways. Condoms are not perfect, and people are much more likely to be lazy with them. You can't lie to a test.
05/08/2010
DONOTSHOPHERETHEOWNERISPSYCHO DONOTSHOPHERETHEOWNERISPSYCHO
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Originally posted by Darling Dove
Then they should align their schedules to be compatible with testing. My point is, if all good goes in, bad cannot come out. Take a break from porn production for a while. Make someone pass tests multiple times over months to get in, Random testing, ... More
From a business standpoint, that's not going to fly. People have schedules to keep and there is a whole shit ton of other people who are involved in porn besides the actors/actresses. The nature of the business is to do multiple shoots over a short period of time and live off the income until it's time to do a few more shoots.

You know how you'll see an actor in like 8 films and then you won't see anything for a year or two, and then they pop back up in a few more movies? They don't work regular work schedules and the filming industry budgets and such aren't set up to work that way.

The girls in Vegas? Legal prostitutes? Like the Bunny Ranch? All the guys must wear condoms to have sex with those girls. Plus the girls get mandatory testing. People's lives are at stake where their profession is concerned, as well as their livelihood. If they catch something that can't be cured, they may not be able to work in the sex industry anymore. I don't understand how you can think that you being able to be turned on by a porn is more important than another person's life, because at the very least they'll no longer be able to do porn and they'll be on a LOT of medication for the rest of their life. Worst case scenario? They die. Over something that is nearly completely preventable when appropriate testing -and- condoms/barriers are used.

You can't lie to a test, but test results can be inaccurate or wrong. Medical records are private too, so even with testing HIPPA privacy laws can prevent people from having to disclose the status of their tests with their employers, even in the porn industry.
05/08/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
All I know is what turns me on.
I'm sorry that my body doesn't care about other peoples safety.
If they change it, I'll just watch old stuff and webcam stuff.
Its not that I want people to die or be hurt. I just think condoms are a sloppy bandage to a bad situation and they wont fix the whole problem.

I have no more will to argue this point.
I'm sorry that I offended you.
05/08/2010
Saraid Saraid
I don't think you understand testing - Bloodwork doesn't get done in 10 minutes and it's not like they're going to do it before every shoot. Not possible. Testing is great, but that alone doesn't make for safe sex.
05/08/2010
Epiphora Epiphora
I think the performers should be decide. Ideally, the adult industry would change into one that accepts performers who will only work if they can use condoms. Those who do not wish to use condoms are not forced to. That's what I think.
05/08/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
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Originally posted by Saraid
I don't think you understand testing - Bloodwork doesn't get done in 10 minutes and it's not like they're going to do it before every shoot. Not possible. Testing is great, but that alone doesn't make for safe sex.
Alright. Since nobody still understands what I am saying.

Every performer is tested over time so that any diseases that do not show up at first are caught. Only clean performers are allowed onto ANY set. Therefore, if a performer has just cleared testing, and is only with other clean-testing performers, disease spreading is impossible. It would require schedules to be significantly changed though. Disease does not spontaneously happen. If everyone on the set is clean, tested over time, then it is not like HIV is going to appear out of nowhere. If someone had a spreadable disease they would either do solo work, or use condoms and barriers all the time.. or, preferably, find another profession where they can't harm people just by doing their job.


That was my thought.
I still really don't feel like arguing over it anymore. How dare I want there to be another solution? How dare I want condoms to be a CHOICE? I know, I'm so horrible. Neither solution is foolproof. But condoms are only being turned to because they are cheap and easy. Only clean goes in, only clean comes out- sure, in the real world, it is not that simple, I know that. But the industry needs HARSH regulations. Testing that rigorous and defined would probably cause them to stop taking shortcuts- like just picking random dudes off the street for a gangbang, especially if there were fines for not complying. Since people would have to be tested over time, it would be impossible for them to take those shortcuts.

I know that in the real world people will take whatever shortcuts they want. That's true with condoms too. Dont lie to me and say its not. Even in porn with condoms, they always take it off for the cumshot. REQUIRING barriers for every kind of contact just makes things unsexy... eh, unless you have a latex fetish.

I really dont see how the concept of what I was actually saying is so difficult to grasp. But everyone seems to just be reading "testing" then having a go at me. It's kinda not very nice.
05/08/2010
Britni TheVadgeWig Britni TheVadgeWig
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Originally posted by Darling Dove
Alright. Since nobody still understands what I am saying.

Every performer is tested over time so that any diseases that do not show up at first are caught. Only clean performers are allowed onto ANY set. Therefore, if a performer has just ... More
Maybe you think that barriers are unsexy. I think safe sex is sexy. To each their own.

And condoms don't just protect against STDs. They also protect against pregnancy. And even if the woman is using birth control, it's still possible to get pregnant on it, even if there's a "cumshot" and not ejaculation inside of her. So there's that aspect, too.

I'm all for safety in an industry where safety is paramount and hard to regulate.
05/10/2010
Sera Sera
Yeah, consumerism rules here in a democracy. Sometimes the things that SHOULD get done, don't, because people wouldn't buy it. It's sad, and a lot of pornography is for the wrong reasons...But I won't get into that here (I'm a women's rights activist).
08/21/2010
sumie sumie
With the use of the new HIV drug regimens, HIV positive individuals can suppress the disease and live longer lives. Unfortunately that means the media now does not talk about HIV risks anymore. The scary thing is that HIV is rising amongst certain demographics and in poorer nations is a major health epidemic. I would love to see more awareness of HIV but I don't think we will see that happen.
09/14/2010
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