Jon Huntsman

Cherrylane Cherrylane
The more I see Jon Huntsman the more I wonder why he doesn't have more support.

He seems highly intelligent, confident, literate and conversant. He also has a strong record as governor AND years of diplomatic experience, including serving as US ambassador to the People's Republic of China. Bonus points for having a general respect for science. And he hasn't even f'd anything up in his campaign yet.

I get that he doesn't have the name recognition of Romney, but I don't necessarily understand why the people who are currently unenthusiastically supporting Romney aren't somewhat more enthusiastically supporting Huntsman. To me, he's basically the same candidate except upgraded to a more intelligent, coherent and somewhat less dull model.

What are they missing? Or what am I missing?

Of the two, (Romney & Huntsman) who do you all think is better?

Of the entire current R field, who do you think has been strongest?

I'd appreciate input from all sides of the political spectrum private voting
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Huntsman is better than Romney
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Romney is better than Huntsman
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Romney
Huntsman
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Perry
Bachman
Santorum
Gingrich
Paul
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Cain
Total votes: 20 (16 voters)
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Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
Huntsman strikes me as a technocrat. It's hard for the 'competent' to inspire. If given the choice I'd vote for either Romney or Huntsman. Like a lot of people Romney's flip-flops make me nervous - there's just something about a person who changes his mind a lot that makes them seem weak. The prototype R was Reagan. He said what he believed and you could make up your own mind - the closest to that may be Santorum, maybe he can get the VP nod.
11/14/2011
T&A1987 T&A1987
huntsman is too moderate for many in the republican primary electorate. He said the stimulus was too small, has been generally favorable towards the gay community, and other examples i'd list if it wasn't 2:30 AM.
11/14/2011
T&A1987 T&A1987
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
Huntsman strikes me as a technocrat. It's hard for the 'competent' to inspire. If given the choice I'd vote for either Romney or Huntsman. Like a lot of people Romney's flip-flops make me nervous - there's just something about ... More
I agree about romney's flip flops, but for different reasons. It's not weak if one changes their mind after getting new information in fact it might be insane if they didn't. Romney's unnerving because it seems his only conviction is to be president, everything else is squishy. the advantage is that if you don't like what romney says, you can hope he's lying/pandering (sarcasm).

Also, Newtmentum is starting and oddly enough, newt could hold onto it long enough to win. If not, it's santorum's turn next and he could win iowa at the last minute giving him a chance.

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11/14/2011
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by T&A1987
I agree about romney's flip flops, but for different reasons. It's not weak if one changes their mind after getting new information in fact it might be insane if they didn't. Romney's unnerving because it seems his only conviction ... More
I agree - seems Romney does not respond to 'new' information, he responds to the direction that the 'wind' is blowing. It's a serious lack of principals.

So why would I vote for him? Honestly to me he is the republican Obama - very much a pragmatist. Like Romney, Obama's rhetoric is far more left-wing than his actual governance. Romney likewise would be less right-wing than his rhetoric. For example he doesn't really oppose abortion, he just feels he needs to say it.

So why not vote for Obama? In my view he does not understand how business works enough to make the right economic moves. On the other hand Romney has adequate business acumen to govern more effectively - as does Huntsman.

I would be very comfortable with Huntsman as president.
11/14/2011
Cherrylane Cherrylane
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
I agree - seems Romney does not respond to 'new' information, he responds to the direction that the 'wind' is blowing. It's a serious lack of principals.

So why would I vote for him? Honestly to me he is the republican ... More
I discussed this with someone else today and he too expressed the opinion that the only reason Huntsman isn't doing that well in the polls with registered R's is because it IS the primary and they're all trying to go hard to the base.

It's not a surprising strategy minus that Huntsman would probably do very well in a general and appeal to moderates in both parties (big majorities). As for Newt.... Idk. I feel like he already had his time in the spotlight lol.


I don't know. The thing that gets me with some of the other candidates is that when I see them try and speak about foreign relations and diplomacy and the military, all I can think about are how some of the biggest conflicts of the century were resolved through one-on-one "let's take a walk" negotiations. I think of Reagan and Gorbachev. I think of how Jimmy Carter, although not a particularly successful president, aided in the successful negotiation of the Geneva Accord. Quite simply, I just can't see a candidate like Cain, for example, as having a prayer in situations even mildly similar to those. You have to be strong, you have to be likable, you have to have a thorough understanding of your policies and you need to be able to communicate them intelligently and empathetically. To me, there is value in being professional and respectful, and being able to obtain the trust and respect of even those who disagree with you. That type of competency is not something most of these candidates have displayed. And what's more, they seem quite convinced that's a good thing.
11/14/2011
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Cherrylane
I discussed this with someone else today and he too expressed the opinion that the only reason Huntsman isn't doing that well in the polls with registered R's is because it IS the primary and they're all trying to go hard to the ... More
I'm impressed - I know 40& 50+ year olds who don't understand this as well as you do!

One lesson to learn from Obama is don't listen to a word about what they say about foreign policy. For all his pacifist rhetoric, Obama kept Bush's Iraq withdrawal time table and use the Bush surge technique that he voted against while a senator. All the pablum about talking to Iran and N Korea - was just that.

Even the president has a hard time changing the landscape of the world. Once in a lifetime you have a Roosevelt or Reagan who can and does change the world.

If we could just get a president that can facilitate an improved economy we can manage the war on terror for the next 70 years as we did with the USSR.

Thanks for your insights!
11/14/2011
tommie tommie
ron paul makes the most sense to me. By far.
11/25/2011
Rawhide Rawhide
Huntsman is by far the most reasonable candidate up there. That is precisely why he has absolutely no chance in a Republican primary.
11/25/2011
Rawhide Rawhide
Huntsman is up in NH! Looks like he might take second
01/09/2012
Ahatmadeofshoes12 Ahatmadeofshoes12
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Originally posted by Cherrylane
The more I see Jon Huntsman the more I wonder why he doesn't have more support.

He seems highly intelligent, confident, literate and conversant. He also has a strong record as governor AND years of diplomatic experience, including ... More
I don't know if Republicans are allowed to support evolution and science. That might be why Huntsman has lost some support. I personally think its fantastic though.
02/01/2012
Mia Fey Mia Fey
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Originally posted by Ahatmadeofshoes12
I don't know if Republicans are allowed to support evolution and science. That might be why Huntsman has lost some support. I personally think its fantastic though.
I couldn't agree more. I have so much respect for this guy since he stands up for science and putting the country before petty party squabbles. He doesn't put up with the standard right-wing shenanigans either which is impressive considering all the other candidates. While he is still not who I would want leading the US, I have to compliment him profusely anytime someone brings up the Republicans. He has been a fantastic governor and an amazing diplomat with China. You will be missed by sane America Huntsman, you will sorely be missed.
02/05/2012
Rawhide Rawhide
*sigh* I miss you Jon Huntsman
02/16/2012
Eliza Eliza
He was the only one from that side of things who I had any real faith in... Santorum scares the bajesus out of me...
02/16/2012
queerasfuck queerasfuck
Huntman was such a charmer. He'd be the only one I'd even be able to remotely consider against Obama.
03/04/2012
gsfanatic gsfanatic
It's a shame that Huntsman was too moderate and sane for the primary, it would've been interesting to see him in the debates. The election cycle would also probably be a lot less nasty
10/31/2012
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