As a libertarian I am constantly puzzled by the gay communities support for the democratic party and ignoring of the libertarian party. Despite the fact that the libertarian party is the only major one that completely and openly supports gay marriage. So if you are for gay marriage, and it is a large political issue for you, then tell us what party you support and why.
pro gay marriage political party.
03/17/2010
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I don't really support any party.
I'm 'for' all kinds of marriage. Honestly, no party is completely right all the time and separating every issue into 'parties' is a little annoying to me, but I guess I could see why this would be irritating to some people.
I'm 'for' all kinds of marriage. Honestly, no party is completely right all the time and separating every issue into 'parties' is a little annoying to me, but I guess I could see why this would be irritating to some people.
03/17/2010
I am registered as a Republican, but on some issues I am more liberal. I am really nothing more than a conservative though. My take? I don't really give a crap who you want to marry. I was able to marry the man I loved, and my cousin is gay and wants to marry her partner. I support her 100%. If the government want church and state to be separate then so be it. If the law would just allow it, churches could decline to allow the marriage to take place in their building. No big deal, no harm done.
I don't like people telling me what I can and cannot believe in, so I don't tell them what to believe. Besides, politically speaking there are more pressing issues that need attention than gay marriage, so just legalize it and move on.
My religion takes no part in my view simply because I hate watching my own cousin be upset that she can't get married; it isn't fair to anyone involved. There are benefits that gay couples can use from marriage, and I believe they deserve happiness just as anyone else does. If they fall in love, who am I to tell them no?
I don't like people telling me what I can and cannot believe in, so I don't tell them what to believe. Besides, politically speaking there are more pressing issues that need attention than gay marriage, so just legalize it and move on.
My religion takes no part in my view simply because I hate watching my own cousin be upset that she can't get married; it isn't fair to anyone involved. There are benefits that gay couples can use from marriage, and I believe they deserve happiness just as anyone else does. If they fall in love, who am I to tell them no?
03/23/2010
Why is polygamy illegal - same deal consulting adults right?
03/23/2010
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That is actually a really good point. Adults know what choices they are making. Let them make them.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
Why is polygamy illegal - same deal consulting adults right?
03/23/2010
I consider myself Libertarian. I'm lean conservative fiscally, and liberal socially, but a lot of my personal preferences as far as political parties go seem to line up with Libertarian. I <3 Ron Paul.
I am pro-marriage (gay, straight, whatever). My brother is gay and is currently engaged. I'm all for it.
I am pro-marriage (gay, straight, whatever). My brother is gay and is currently engaged. I'm all for it.
03/23/2010
I'm not libertarian because besides guns and gays, libertarians and I disagree on everything.
03/23/2010
I do not like any political party.
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for "change."
And yes, I did vote for Obama. Not doing that one again, until someone in this world holds the same values as me that I can vote for. Or until I run, myself.
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for "change."
And yes, I did vote for Obama. Not doing that one again, until someone in this world holds the same values as me that I can vote for. Or until I run, myself.
03/23/2010
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That's funny, I also don't like any political party but I also voted for Obama. It's not because I think he's some saint or something, because I know at the end of the day he's a politician like anyone else, but I was terrified of what would happen if the McCain got in.
Originally posted by
Sir
I do not like any political party.
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for ... more
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for ... more
I do not like any political party.
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for "change."
And yes, I did vote for Obama. Not doing that one again, until someone in this world holds the same values as me that I can vote for. Or until I run, myself. less
I've said what I am in another thread: communist, open-minded, environmentalist. Every party is crap in the U.S. They're all bullshit liars and they all give people false hope for "change."
And yes, I did vote for Obama. Not doing that one again, until someone in this world holds the same values as me that I can vote for. Or until I run, myself. less
I get called a communist all the time, but really can't support any single economic/political system because none of the models used in government thus far have been anything less than fatally flawed. Although I do tend to favor strong central governments (hence libertarians and I butt heads) so if you had to call me anything I guess a democratic socialist makes the most sense. But still, it's all bullshit. None of it works. They're all imperfect systems.
Okay I'll be quiet now
03/23/2010
PS. I just might write you in on the next federal ballot for fun. "Sir From Edenfantasys". If everyone writes you in...
03/23/2010
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Well, I had the same idea - rather him than McCain (not to offend anyone who voted for McCain). You know, for me, it was not even McCain that I really had a problem with - I had more of a problem with McCain's running mate.
Originally posted by
Owl Identified
That's funny, I also don't like any political party but I also voted for Obama. It's not because I think he's some saint or something, because I know at the end of the day he's a politician like anyone else, but I was terrified of
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That's funny, I also don't like any political party but I also voted for Obama. It's not because I think he's some saint or something, because I know at the end of the day he's a politician like anyone else, but I was terrified of what would happen if the McCain got in.
I get called a communist all the time, but really can't support any single economic/political system because none of the models used in government thus far have been anything less than fatally flawed. Although I do tend to favor strong central governments (hence libertarians and I butt heads) so if you had to call me anything I guess a democratic socialist makes the most sense. But still, it's all bullshit. None of it works. They're all imperfect systems.
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I get called a communist all the time, but really can't support any single economic/political system because none of the models used in government thus far have been anything less than fatally flawed. Although I do tend to favor strong central governments (hence libertarians and I butt heads) so if you had to call me anything I guess a democratic socialist makes the most sense. But still, it's all bullshit. None of it works. They're all imperfect systems.
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I understand what you mean completely, and I agree with that. Which is why I do not understand why people constantly say, "oh, but communist leaders are ALL greedy bastards!" Well, yes, most of them in the past have been, but that does not mean that it cannot be done and done well by someone who is not greedy and who will not become power hungry after being on the chair for a few years. Same as anything, though - it's what the person who runs it makes of it, and if they make it bad, then they make it bad. Most things in life are imperfect, so it's understandable that they should be.
To the "PS": HAHA! Thank you, darling. That would be hilarious.
03/23/2010
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I was on the fence about McCain versus Obama as well until McCain announced that he'd tapped Palin to be his running mate... She honestly terrifies me! But political party-wise... I'm pretty non-committed. I agree with previous posts that no one political party holds all the answers.
Originally posted by
Sir
Well, I had the same idea - rather him than McCain (not to offend anyone who voted for McCain). You know, for me, it was not even McCain that I really had a problem with - I had more of a problem with McCain's running mate.
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I understand ... more
Well, I had the same idea - rather him than McCain (not to offend anyone who voted for McCain). You know, for me, it was not even McCain that I really had a problem with - I had more of a problem with McCain's running mate.
I understand what you mean completely, and I agree with that. Which is why I do not understand why people constantly say, "oh, but communist leaders are ALL greedy bastards!" Well, yes, most of them in the past have been, but that does not mean that it cannot be done and done well by someone who is not greedy and who will not become power hungry after being on the chair for a few years. Same as anything, though - it's what the person who runs it makes of it, and if they make it bad, then they make it bad. Most things in life are imperfect, so it's understandable that they should be.
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I understand what you mean completely, and I agree with that. Which is why I do not understand why people constantly say, "oh, but communist leaders are ALL greedy bastards!" Well, yes, most of them in the past have been, but that does not mean that it cannot be done and done well by someone who is not greedy and who will not become power hungry after being on the chair for a few years. Same as anything, though - it's what the person who runs it makes of it, and if they make it bad, then they make it bad. Most things in life are imperfect, so it's understandable that they should be.
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I'd totally join SL&PL in writing you in, though! What sort of platform would you run on? I highly recommend a "one child and one kitten slash puppy per family" campaign. Fights against overpopulation and clears out our animal shelters
03/23/2010
I'm with Sir...I'm a communist. But, unfortunately, that'll never work in its idealized form. If there was a way, it'd be awesome. No one owns anything...there'd be no more talk about religion in politics...that'd be great.
I would like to know more about the other political parties, but until the Democrats and Republicans go away, their causes will always be ignored or absorbed.
I would like to know more about the other political parties, but until the Democrats and Republicans go away, their causes will always be ignored or absorbed.
03/23/2010
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I do wish that there was a way. I wonder if we could acquire many more people who are on the same wavelength as us? I've been trying to look, actually, but have not found much.
Originally posted by
El-Jaro
I'm with Sir...I'm a communist. But, unfortunately, that'll never work in its idealized form. If there was a way, it'd be awesome. No one owns anything...there'd be no more talk about religion in politics...that'd be
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I'm with Sir...I'm a communist. But, unfortunately, that'll never work in its idealized form. If there was a way, it'd be awesome. No one owns anything...there'd be no more talk about religion in politics...that'd be great.
I would like to know more about the other political parties, but until the Democrats and Republicans go away, their causes will always be ignored or absorbed. less
I would like to know more about the other political parties, but until the Democrats and Republicans go away, their causes will always be ignored or absorbed. less
I feel the same way about political parties. I wish that Democratic/Republican parties did not consume the entire political system. Maybe then it would be full of less liars and people who actually say what they mean and mean what they say.
Miss Cinnamon: She terrifies many people! HAHA! I believe that that's actually more of the reason why Obama one, to be fully honest. (But I will not get into that.)
Actually, I have a thing about overpopulation, so I probably would put into place one child born, as many other children as you want adopted. I like the idea about adopting animals from animal shelters, too, that's sweet. I am not sure what my platform would be though..I would have to think long and hard on that. I know so much already, but to run (of course), I would have to get my nose in every part of it. Which I should start doing. Thirty-five will come too soon.
03/23/2010
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you guys can all go to COMMUNIST CHINA and have your Google searches & everything else censored!
Originally posted by
Sir
Well, I had the same idea - rather him than McCain (not to offend anyone who voted for McCain). You know, for me, it was not even McCain that I really had a problem with - I had more of a problem with McCain's running mate.
I understand ... more
I understand ... more
Well, I had the same idea - rather him than McCain (not to offend anyone who voted for McCain). You know, for me, it was not even McCain that I really had a problem with - I had more of a problem with McCain's running mate.
I understand what you mean completely, and I agree with that. Which is why I do not understand why people constantly say, "oh, but communist leaders are ALL greedy bastards!" Well, yes, most of them in the past have been, but that does not mean that it cannot be done and done well by someone who is not greedy and who will not become power hungry after being on the chair for a few years. Same as anything, though - it's what the person who runs it makes of it, and if they make it bad, then they make it bad. Most things in life are imperfect, so it's understandable that they should be.
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I understand what you mean completely, and I agree with that. Which is why I do not understand why people constantly say, "oh, but communist leaders are ALL greedy bastards!" Well, yes, most of them in the past have been, but that does not mean that it cannot be done and done well by someone who is not greedy and who will not become power hungry after being on the chair for a few years. Same as anything, though - it's what the person who runs it makes of it, and if they make it bad, then they make it bad. Most things in life are imperfect, so it's understandable that they should be.
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All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking that - and go merrily about your day.
Look around the world and outside of North America and Europe - things can get pretty scary.
Wouldn't you love to be a woman in the Middle East where honor killing abound - or even India where they use to throw women on the funeral pyre of their husband.
Try to appreciate what you have - and the right you have to say it sucks!
03/23/2010
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I have a thing about over-population too! I'm not going to say that we should have a 2 kid family thing, but I think more than 5 kids is extreme. I know there are families of divorce and half-sibs...those people don't concern me that much. What does concern me are the families of 10+ kids. I'm going to leave it there, just saying that "They scare the hell out of me".
Originally posted by
Sir
I do wish that there was a way. I wonder if we could acquire many more people who are on the same wavelength as us? I've been trying to look, actually, but have not found much.
I feel the same way about political parties. I wish that ... more
I feel the same way about political parties. I wish that ... more
I do wish that there was a way. I wonder if we could acquire many more people who are on the same wavelength as us? I've been trying to look, actually, but have not found much.
I feel the same way about political parties. I wish that Democratic/Republican parties did not consume the entire political system. Maybe then it would be full of less liars and people who actually say what they mean and mean what they say.
Miss Cinnamon: She terrifies many people! HAHA! I believe that that's actually more of the reason why Obama one, to be fully honest. (But I will not get into that.)
Actually, I have a thing about overpopulation, so I probably would put into place one child born, as many other children as you want adopted. I like the idea about adopting animals from animal shelters, too, that's sweet. I am not sure what my platform would be though..I would have to think long and hard on that. I know so much already, but to run (of course), I would have to get my nose in every part of it. Which I should start doing. Thirty-five will come too soon. less
I feel the same way about political parties. I wish that Democratic/Republican parties did not consume the entire political system. Maybe then it would be full of less liars and people who actually say what they mean and mean what they say.
Miss Cinnamon: She terrifies many people! HAHA! I believe that that's actually more of the reason why Obama one, to be fully honest. (But I will not get into that.)
Actually, I have a thing about overpopulation, so I probably would put into place one child born, as many other children as you want adopted. I like the idea about adopting animals from animal shelters, too, that's sweet. I am not sure what my platform would be though..I would have to think long and hard on that. I know so much already, but to run (of course), I would have to get my nose in every part of it. Which I should start doing. Thirty-five will come too soon. less
03/23/2010
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"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the rest"
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
you guys can all go to COMMUNIST CHINA and have your Google searches & everything else censored!
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking ... more
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking ... more
you guys can all go to COMMUNIST CHINA and have your Google searches & everything else censored!
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking that - and go merrily about your day.
Look around the world and outside of North America and Europe - things can get pretty scary.
Wouldn't you love to be a woman in the Middle East where honor killing abound - or even India where they use to throw women on the funeral pyre of their husband.
Try to appreciate what you have - and the right you have to say it sucks! less
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking that - and go merrily about your day.
Look around the world and outside of North America and Europe - things can get pretty scary.
Wouldn't you love to be a woman in the Middle East where honor killing abound - or even India where they use to throw women on the funeral pyre of their husband.
Try to appreciate what you have - and the right you have to say it sucks! less
- Winston Churchill
03/23/2010
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Nice cliche - so being a declared communist is just designed to obscure your ambivalence to the fact that choices have to be made and choices have consequences.
Originally posted by
El-Jaro
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the rest"
- Winston Churchill
- Winston Churchill
03/23/2010
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Gunsmoke, I've actually been to China. I'm not going to say that it's all rainbows and gumdrops over there, but suffice to say I was still able to access EdenFantasys. Besides, China's not exactly what I would call a true communist nation. I have less experience with the Middle East, but "Sati", the Indian funeral practice you mentioned, is outdated and outlawed in modern India. If we're discussing past as well as present infringements of human rights, don't forget America's own witch-hunts in the past and current ongoing attempts by certain groups to outlaw abortion.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
you guys can all go to COMMUNIST CHINA and have your Google searches & everything else censored!
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking ... more
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking ... more
you guys can all go to COMMUNIST CHINA and have your Google searches & everything else censored!
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking that - and go merrily about your day.
Look around the world and outside of North America and Europe - things can get pretty scary.
Wouldn't you love to be a woman in the Middle East where honor killing abound - or even India where they use to throw women on the funeral pyre of their husband.
Try to appreciate what you have - and the right you have to say it sucks! less
All political systems are not equal - or equally bad. we're just spoiled to live in a place where you can delude yourself into thinking that - and go merrily about your day.
Look around the world and outside of North America and Europe - things can get pretty scary.
Wouldn't you love to be a woman in the Middle East where honor killing abound - or even India where they use to throw women on the funeral pyre of their husband.
Try to appreciate what you have - and the right you have to say it sucks! less
I get the point you're trying to make--We've got it pretty cushy over here, and we shouldn't take that for granted. But one reason we've got the right to speak our minds is so that we can suggest ideas for better ways to live, individually and as a nation.
03/24/2010
I think I'm a registered Democrat, but I haven't voted in years because I can't stand most politicians. I'm especially disappointed with the way Capital Hill is handling DADT (don't ask don't tell). The "survey" they have to conduct their "study" is ridiculous and insulting to the entire gay community.
08/02/2010
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It depends, sometimes it's consenting adults, sometimes it's children brainwashed and forced. Like some of those rogue quasi Mormons, who "marry" 20 of their 13 year old nieces and stepdaughters.
Originally posted by
Gunsmoke
Why is polygamy illegal - same deal consulting adults right?
If it were PURELY consenting ADULTS and it could be proved they weren't forced or brainwashed into it, I have no problem with it. But, in many of the Western States, this is not the situation for many women in polygamous "marriages."
And if Polygamy is legal than Polyandry should be as well.
08/05/2010
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That's about how I feel. Democratic Socialism is close to the best form, that will work for the most number of people. I feel we need a strong central government as well. We simply can't rely on people to "donate" things. Too many people are assholes for me to believe that we can just govern the "roads and some schools" and expect everything else to be dealt with privately. People are SELFISH. Have you BEEN to a Goodwill store? And the crap that people think is "being charitable?" The Rich keep the best for themselves and the rest of us suffer.
Originally posted by
Owl Identified
That's funny, I also don't like any political party but I also voted for Obama. It's not because I think he's some saint or something, because I know at the end of the day he's a politician like anyone else, but I was terrified of
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That's funny, I also don't like any political party but I also voted for Obama. It's not because I think he's some saint or something, because I know at the end of the day he's a politician like anyone else, but I was terrified of what would happen if the McCain got in.
I get called a communist all the time, but really can't support any single economic/political system because none of the models used in government thus far have been anything less than fatally flawed. Although I do tend to favor strong central governments (hence libertarians and I butt heads) so if you had to call me anything I guess a democratic socialist makes the most sense. But still, it's all bullshit. None of it works. They're all imperfect systems.
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I get called a communist all the time, but really can't support any single economic/political system because none of the models used in government thus far have been anything less than fatally flawed. Although I do tend to favor strong central governments (hence libertarians and I butt heads) so if you had to call me anything I guess a democratic socialist makes the most sense. But still, it's all bullshit. None of it works. They're all imperfect systems.
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IMO, we need to tax the hell out of the rich. The fact that many (most) millionaires and billionaires pay NO taxes and the Middle Class pay the most makes me sick, and broke.
08/05/2010
I will agree to those that say we should have a one child per family policy as over population is a big concern of mine. Democracy is not the best system be far, however its the best we got really.
registered democrat
registered democrat
09/08/2010
I don't support a party. I'm a registered democrat but I pick whichever candidate sucks the least.
09/11/2010
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I agree that taxes need to be lower for the middle class, but also I think they need to be lower in general. The government spends way too much money.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
That's about how I feel. Democratic Socialism is close to the best form, that will work for the most number of people. I feel we need a strong central government as well. We simply can't rely on people to "donate" things. Too many
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That's about how I feel. Democratic Socialism is close to the best form, that will work for the most number of people. I feel we need a strong central government as well. We simply can't rely on people to "donate" things. Too many people are assholes for me to believe that we can just govern the "roads and some schools" and expect everything else to be dealt with privately. People are SELFISH. Have you BEEN to a Goodwill store? And the crap that people think is "being charitable?" The Rich keep the best for themselves and the rest of us suffer.
IMO, we need to tax the hell out of the rich. The fact that many (most) millionaires and billionaires pay NO taxes and the Middle Class pay the most makes me sick, and broke. less
IMO, we need to tax the hell out of the rich. The fact that many (most) millionaires and billionaires pay NO taxes and the Middle Class pay the most makes me sick, and broke. less
09/11/2010
I put democrat but I'm not solely democrat, I am for who ever has the "right" idea or thing for me.
09/11/2010
As a communist, I am puzzled by your ignoring communists on this site, and designating us as "other." I view the Libertarian Party as the extreme right. Why isn't the extreme left named as well?
09/17/2010
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I am not part of a party, dislike most. However after doing research on libertarian a few months back i kinda liked what I read, but still no strong affiliations.
Originally posted by
Two Loves
As a libertarian I am constantly puzzled by the gay communities support for the democratic party and ignoring of the libertarian party. Despite the fact that the libertarian party is the only major one that completely and openly supports gay
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As a libertarian I am constantly puzzled by the gay communities support for the democratic party and ignoring of the libertarian party. Despite the fact that the libertarian party is the only major one that completely and openly supports gay marriage. So if you are for gay marriage, and it is a large political issue for you, then tell us what party you support and why.
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10/06/2010
I vote democratic, largely because I do not like the liberatarian party's economic policies and because frankly, let's face it, we live in a two party system.
10/12/2010
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But, overpopulation isn't a huge problem in educated, post industrial societies. It's a problem in Developing Nations.
Originally posted by
Avant-garde
I will agree to those that say we should have a one child per family policy as over population is a big concern of mine. Democracy is not the best system be far, however its the best we got really.
registered democrat
registered democrat
I would feel that our right to live as we decide is best for us was being seriously eroded if this were put into place.
And how would it be implemented? I REFUSE to take hormonal birth control, use an IUD, have the blood and nerves to my ovaries and uterus compromised with a Tubal Ligation and I'm allergic to latex. My Man and I use withdrawal, which many people think "doesn't work." How would this be enforced? I don't like the specter of forced sterilization or worse. We have the right to Reproductive Freedom in this country. If that means choosing no children, that's fine, if it means abortion, fine, if it means I can have as many children or as few children as I choose is right for me, as do you, it's all part of the same Freedom.
My Man and I also have more children than "the average." (What is that now, about 2? 2.5?) I LOVE my children. I can afford my children. I CHOSE to have them. It's MY choice to have them, just as it's someone else's choice to not have them or to do whatever they can to avoid having them.
I think in a country that allows reproductive freedom, BOTH sides need to be represented. The freedom to avoid becoming a parent, as well as the freedom to have as many children as you and your partner desire. Birth Control for all who desire it, abortion on request, and those who want children should have the freedom to have them. That is part of Freedom as a whole.
As for taxing, I pay for things in my taxes I don't agree with or use, it is the entire country's responsibility, in order to uphold Social Order, to make sure all children are properly educated. And pay for that education with taxes. IMO, that should extend THROUGH Graduate School. We need to stay competitive in the National Sphere and Educated Population is the best way to do that.
Children are a huge part of my life. And they are a part of a lot of other people's lives as well. Yes, a LOT of people have kids who probably have no business doing so, but it isn't MY decision to say who has a "right" to have kids and who doesn't. Anymore than the law should say people should have children. Every person needs to decide what works for THEIR own life. No kids, one kid, or many. The Government should NEVER be involved in dictating either the forcing of parenthood or the denying of it. That smacks of Big Brother.
Just my opinion.
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10/13/2010
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