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Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
So I guess Rhianna is doing a new music video called s&m. I do not watch or like Rhianna, but I did she a post about this video somewhere and was curious about how they were going to make her video tv friendly. Well.... Yeah, I dunno you guys... whoever said that mtv has always pushed the boundaries... I don't disagree, but what I DO disagree with is my 12 year old flipping the station to mtv and finding THIS "music video" I'm not against S&M, I happen to like a little in my bedroom but I don't want my child being exposed to it, if I did I would do it in the middle of the day with my door open and then CAS would show up and take my kids away from me. So why is it ok to be playing this shit on MTV?

As this is not on mtv yet, I am aware that I am being presumptuous but given the rest of what is on Mtv, I don't think it's really too much of a leap.
01/31/2011
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PussyGalore PussyGalore
Is your 12 year old going to be up at 2 AM when they show actual music videos? If so, I think a different discussion is in order.

I've said it once, I'll say it again - parents CAN control what their children are subjected to and if you don't like what's on the television, radio, internet site then change it and block the channel. It's really that simple.
01/31/2011
TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
How is this different than 90% of one of the most popular artists out there right now? Lady Gaga.

Music videos are getting more and more risque lately. Quitely frankly the rap videos where there are 50 scantily clad women gyrating on one man are a bit more detrimental than a video with S&M tones. But that's just my opinion. I don't care either way.

However I do agree with Audra Lynn- "parents CAN control what their children are subjected to and if you don't like what's on the television, radio, internet site then change it and block the channel."
01/31/2011
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
I understand you are concerned but there's really very little, if anything, from MTV programming that I want my daughter watching.

To me, MTV has never been a channel with programming suitable for young children.

When I was 9 and MTV was born it was actually music television and showed music videos ALL the time. Music videos have, for decades, depicted violence, sexual images of ALL kinds, drug use and other themes not particularly suitable for children. I watched it, a lot. But I didn't think much of the imagery I didn't understand and I certainly wasn't scarred by what I did see and understand. (still, probably my mom should have been paying closer attention)

Motley Crue, Queen, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Cher....all musical acts that produced controversial and even banned music videos back in the 80's.

So, yeah, you are actually going to have to control the situation yourself and use the tools available to you, as a parent, to keep this off your child's TV screen. MTV has been around for 30 years now and while most of the music videos are gone, the messages they promote remain the same.
02/01/2011
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
An update on the S&M Video...it's been banned in 11 countries and MTV is having her edit it for "daytime" viewing. Although after seeing the full version, it doesn't seem that bad. It's clearly a commentary on the media's recent attention toward Rihanna's personal troubles and her desire to "punish" them for it.

That said, it was probably designed with "banning" in mind... which always gets more attention for a video that it would have otherwise.
02/02/2011
Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by LicentiouslyYours
An update on the S&M Video...it's been banned in 11 countries and MTV is having her edit it for "daytime" viewing. Although after seeing the full version, it doesn't seem that bad. It's clearly a commentary on the ...
That is a very good point.

I fully agree that parents have some control over what their children are watching, however I become increasingly frustrated because parents have control, in the home... when they are watching what their children are doing. kids with laptops or tvs in their rooms will do whatever they want to behind their parents backs. They will see stuff at friends houses, or in certain social settings. I am just thoroughly pissed off at the crap on tv these days. I am pissed off about the clothing they are selling to 10 year olds, I am pissed off about the fact that 13 year olds are running around having sex like it's going out of style.

YES, children are already sexual creatures, YES we as parents need to do our best to monitor what our children are exposed to, but NO there is no reason to help our children along by putting shit into their heads that THEY couldn't even come up with. I am a very open minded person, but that does not mean that I want my childs head filled up with bullshit about sex at 13 years old being romantic and memorable, and I want them to at the very least be able to retain a modicum of innocence at the age of 15. I am not so upset about the acts being shown on tv, but I am INCREDIBLY upset about the lack of self respect and respect for others that is constantly being shown as normal and acceptable behavior.

Does anybody remember when they were 15 and the thought of having sex at all was a BIG thing, now it's not a question of whether or not to have sex, but whether or not to have casual sex with multiple partners and how many partners makes you either a slut or a player. It isn't about educating children about the risks and consequences of sexual interaction (both mental and physical) but about how fun it is, how much trouble they can get in if they get caught and how it will effect their social standing. It's not 15 or 17 anymore it's 13 and 14. Not only are children being taught that it is expected of them, but that there is something wrong with them if they DIDN"T have sex. I know I cannot be the only person who things that this is completely fucked up.
02/02/2011
PussyGalore PussyGalore
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
That is a very good point.

I fully agree that parents have some control over what their children are watching, however I become increasingly frustrated because parents have control, in the home... when they are watching what their children are ...
No, not some control. Full control. Children should not have televisions in their rooms with cable/satellite/netfli x hook-up. Television and a DVD player? Sure, no problem. I'm buying the DVDs, I know what the content is. Laptop/computer use unsupervised, absolutely not acceptable. Cell phones with unlimited data packages and internet capability - don't think so. All you have to do is say no. When they go to friends for visits, the friends parents are to be made aware of what you allow your child to be exposed to and if they fail to comply, little Timmy or Johnny has to come over to your house to play from now on. Children are not entitled to get everything they want and "rights" are earned, not expected.

Yes, some things will slip through the cracks but they should be able to discuss with you what they saw. Your outrage is understandable, but not at all unique or newfound. Since the day television aired, parents have been complaining about the vulgarity and smut in programming. The Flintstones sleeping in the same bed was water cooler fodder. Elvis' and his devilish hips and smile. Marilyn and her cleavage. Lucy and her pregnancy. Kelly Bundy in a midriff and FMPs whoring about. Miley and a stripper pole.

The reality of it is teens are influenced by a lack of hard boundaries and boredom. Keep them occupied and involved in the family and their risk for pregnancy, STD and drug use go way down.

You're also getting into censorship territory and that's dangerous. I'm going to be an adult for the next 35-60 years depending on how things go and I'll be damned if I'm going to let a minority in the age groups stop me from seeing programming I enjoy.
02/02/2011
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
That is a very good point.

I fully agree that parents have some control over what their children are watching, however I become increasingly frustrated because parents have control, in the home... when they are watching what their children are ...
Yeah, I do remember being 15, that's when I started having sex and had I had more information, better communication with my parents about it, I would have waited.

I started talking to my daughter about such things quite awhile ago (she's 13 now). We talk about what sex means, what can happen as a result, what "having a boyfriend" really means at her age, how her friends behave and what the consequences are when they make bad decisions (like getting sexually active at age 12).

You won't be able to keep your kids safe from popular cultural influences or peer pressure, so your best strategy is to be their ally. It's not easy and I know it seems like things are really tons different today than they were when you were growing up. I came of age in the time of Madonna and Like a Virgin and 90210...where everybody but Donna has sleeping around and it was so unusual that she was a virgin.

I was ten years old when I met a girl who was pregnant at 13 and 16 when I was attending the wedding of one of my friends who was pregnant and dropping out of school.

It's not really about what you hear kids are up to these days, the media plays that up BIG time. And it's not about what's on TV or your kids finding out someone likes to wear latex and spank other people... it's about you communicating with your kid and letting them know what they NEED to know about sex, about safety, about the emotional consequences of having sex too early.

There ARE some kids in my daughter's school who are doing things way too early. She and I have talked about it and she's actually chosen to distance herself from some people who she used to spend time with because she thinks the things they do are stupid and are probably only going to get worse.

It's always been this way y'all. There are just as many kids out there who don't care about sex at age 13 and 14 as there are who do—puberty hits, hormones surge and kids don't know how to deal with that. Raise yours to respect themselves, know the facts and know you are there if they need you and you'll be ahead of the game.
02/02/2011
Redboxbaby Redboxbaby
As a parent of a 16 yr old boy and someone who has been employed in a middle school for the last 6 years, I have heard what the kids talk about (the girls are way worse than the boys btw) at school, I have seen what they write in their notes and draw on the bathroom stalls, and I have seen the You Tube videos and the movies, the videos on MTV and elsewhere they rage about and I think Rhianna's video is pretty tame in comparison.
02/02/2011
UnknownGirl UnknownGirl
There is little (if anything) that is age appropriate for a 12 year old on MTV. So, maybe the content of MTV isn't really the problem. Maybe the problem is parents that let their children watch inappropriate material.
02/02/2011
Curves Curves
it is really sad that the song is on the radio and the video is played on tv.
04/04/2011
K101 K101
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
So I guess Rhianna is doing a new music video called s&m. I do not watch or like Rhianna, but I did she a post about this video somewhere and was curious about how they were going to make her video tv friendly. Well.... Yeah, I dunno you guys... ...
I totally agree! I am very careful and picky about what I watch as well as what the kids watch. There is no longer MTV in my house! I used to love it when it was Music Tv. Now it's just too extreme. I am glad to see that someone out there does feel the same as me! I've thought I was the only one on this earth!

People may not believe it, but as a 21 year old female, I DO remember growing up and looking to role models like Brittney Spears. I thankfully had the smarts not to look up to her, but once when I was 14 I wore a little criss-cross halter top thing and it showed too much chest. My mother said "Well hello little miss brittney spears!" I never put that top on again and she done a great job of making sure I knew who to look up to. As for the other girls, they thought being a "slut was a good thing." I remember being 13 and my girlfriends dirty dancing and constantly talking about sex and having it as well! We need to open our eyes!

TV is not harmless. Nudity is not harmless.

What I'm saying is the young girls DO look up to what they see. Much more than what you would think. So we do need to watch out for who & what they're exposed to
04/30/2011
Cream in the Cupcake Cream in the Cupcake
Im not a Rhianna fan but I do like the song. When it first came out I heard it at work (unsensored) the on the radio (unsensored).It wasnt sensored at all but now , what a few months later, they sensor the word "sex". Since when was that a bad word. Most likely kids are going to wonder what "S&M" means. Thats much worse to explain to a child.
04/30/2011
NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
So I guess Rhianna is doing a new music video called s&m. I do not watch or like Rhianna, but I did she a post about this video somewhere and was curious about how they were going to make her video tv friendly. Well.... Yeah, I dunno you guys... ...
I think this problem is a lot more complex than MTV and Rhianna. Like you said, there is nothing wrong with S&M however your children don't need to see videos that are not age appropriate. Preventing MTV from showing these videos or artists from producing them because they are not age appropriate for everyone moves into media censorship which I have mixed feelings about but I also understand that you can not monitor everything your child sees or does. Inside your house yes, you can password protect computers and televisions but it's a big world. I think outside of that, the best you or anyone could do is talk to their kids. This country is very backwards and I completely understand your argument and wish there was a better way to solve this.
05/01/2011
NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
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Originally posted by UnknownGirl
There is little (if anything) that is age appropriate for a 12 year old on MTV. So, maybe the content of MTV isn't really the problem. Maybe the problem is parents that let their children watch inappropriate material.
MTV is a company and this is how they make money. Not everything on the television- or even the radio- is appropriate for twelve year olds and, instead of pointing fingers and being angry, it may be a better idea to talk to your children.
05/01/2011
anonomous anonomous
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Originally posted by Cream in the Cupcake
Im not a Rhianna fan but I do like the song. When it first came out I heard it at work (unsensored) the on the radio (unsensored).It wasnt sensored at all but now , what a few months later, they sensor the word "sex". Since when was that a ...
GREAT point! I dont think anyone else realized that.
07/10/2011
brittany8612 brittany8612
Mtv is for mature people, and there'd probably be a rating, and you could probably block it and even if he did see it, what are the chances that he wouldn't just google it later...i mean theres more fucked up internet porn than anything on mtv Would even understand that it was a sexual fetish, other music videos have sexual images but does he necessarily ask you about every single one of them? Probably not.
07/10/2011
lexical lexical
I enjoy the song (and the video) for the pure goofy melodrama of it. As a "real life" kinkster who is actually involved in the local BDSM community, it's really pretty amusing.

I'm honestly shocked and disappointed that a parent would find this video more offensive/inappropriat e/fill-in-the-blank than any of the other horrendous music (and accompanying videos) out there, simply because it's fetish and kink-related. You're in charge of what your children read, see, play, listen to, etc. Censor your children until such a time as you can teach them to censor themselves. It's an incredibly important skill to learn. If something makes you uncomfortable, don't watch it, don't read it, remove yourself from the situation, etc.

I mean, really. What is there to take issue with here?

Nudity? She and all the other actors/dancers are completely covered throughout, be it in suits or latex. Go to the beach or the swimming pool. There are teenyboppers wearing more revealing bathing suits than the majority of the stuff in this video :/

There are people wearing ball gags, being tied up, etc? Watch an episode of CSI or Dexter or something similar. There are bound and gagged people all the time. Shoot, there are images of "damsels in distress" and the like all over the place in children's television and movies.

There's a man being walked on a leash and pretending to whiz on a hot pink fire hydrant? Isn't there a whole show on TV right now about a man dressed up in a big doggie costume? Wilfred, I think it's called.

I don't think this video is anything to get worked up about.
07/11/2011
Errant Venture Errant Venture
Yeah, I hadn't seen this video until I read this thread - and only then it was to see what all the fuss was about. Honestly? I've seen a lot worse.
07/11/2011
LilLostLenore LilLostLenore
I like that video, she is so pretty.
11/07/2011
Nice to Eat you Nice to Eat you
We had such music when we were young. Look where we are today.lol
07/26/2012
Phantom2291 Phantom2291
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
So I guess Rhianna is doing a new music video called s&m. I do not watch or like Rhianna, but I did she a post about this video somewhere and was curious about how they were going to make her video tv friendly. Well.... Yeah, I dunno you guys... ...
Introduce your child to GOOD music, so nothing MTV would ever show. (This is coming from a man who has acted in MTV's Teen Wolf)
08/13/2012
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