Very powerful stories, CPT and EastCoast. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm sure this will be so helpful to Oliver, if nothing else he knows he isn't alone.
Is There Hope, or am I Wasting My Time?
01/24/2014
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Thank you. The fact is, there are few advantages to being older...but one of them is, at least, experience. I happen to have ended up in a very great marriage and also have a large circle of friends and acquaintances. As such I have seen the marriages that burn bright, then flame out, the ones that succeed and the ones that crash on the rocks. There are some basic common factors that appear over and over in these scenarios. I am just sharing bits of advice I have seen work over and over in many relationships!
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Ansley
You are so spot on that I wish there was a Pulitzer category for sage advice.
01/24/2014
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There you go Stormy. That too is very great, sage advice!!! I agree fully with your take there. I think his wife is thinking that he is putting too much drama into the situation. However, in many relationships one person is more "passionate" or "open" then the other, and so she may be less "dramatic" about the events going on, but I hope she isn't blind to the fact she is losing her husband.
Originally posted by
Ansley
I've read this over and over a few times now and one thing that keeps sticking out to me is this:
"act like the woman in the relationship"
That's kind of a telling statement, don't you think? Perhaps that's ... more
"act like the woman in the relationship"
That's kind of a telling statement, don't you think? Perhaps that's ... more
I've read this over and over a few times now and one thing that keeps sticking out to me is this:
"act like the woman in the relationship"
That's kind of a telling statement, don't you think? Perhaps that's where the problem really lies.
Think about it...she makes decisions all day long for everyone else that at the end of the day she may be tired of making decisions for herself as well. She could just be missing the power dynamic.
I'd back off of it for awhile. Don't press the issue and let your trip get close. Start talking about all of the non-sexual things you'll do on the trip and the things you'll be experiencing. Once you're there and a couple of days into it, she may be more relaxed and open to hearing your side of things. less
"act like the woman in the relationship"
That's kind of a telling statement, don't you think? Perhaps that's where the problem really lies.
Think about it...she makes decisions all day long for everyone else that at the end of the day she may be tired of making decisions for herself as well. She could just be missing the power dynamic.
I'd back off of it for awhile. Don't press the issue and let your trip get close. Start talking about all of the non-sexual things you'll do on the trip and the things you'll be experiencing. Once you're there and a couple of days into it, she may be more relaxed and open to hearing your side of things. less
01/24/2014
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Glad to hear she is listening.
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Oliver Klozoff
Things really seem better today. I think the conversation we had made her realize this is serious, and she did make a comment about me discussing this online (I told her). She ran with a friend this morning, and sometimes she will listen to her
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Things really seem better today. I think the conversation we had made her realize this is serious, and she did make a comment about me discussing this online (I told her). She ran with a friend this morning, and sometimes she will listen to her friends when she won't listen to me. If asked, they would probably tell her not to screw this up, because she's got it as good as it's going to get.
Of course my judgement could be clouded by the fact that she invited me home for lunch/sex, and it was great. That can impair a guy's thinking.
Thanks again everyone for the feedback. I'm new here and looking forward to learning more from you guys... less
Of course my judgement could be clouded by the fact that she invited me home for lunch/sex, and it was great. That can impair a guy's thinking.
Thanks again everyone for the feedback. I'm new here and looking forward to learning more from you guys... less
01/24/2014
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I can definitely identify. My wife and I have our ups and downs, but in the most frustrating times, I too have wondered if we'd both be better off going outside the marriage. It's a very strange thought--your wife with someone else--but you relieved at the thought that she's finally enjoying it. I've been there, and it's a strange and confusing headspace.
Originally posted by
CPTInsanity
I hate to hear that you are going through the same exact situation as I am. I've done everything that has been mentioned on this forum and to all no avail. After 11 years of marriage you hate to think about divorce and in my case walking away
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I hate to hear that you are going through the same exact situation as I am. I've done everything that has been mentioned on this forum and to all no avail. After 11 years of marriage you hate to think about divorce and in my case walking away from a wife and two year old that I love dearly, but the thought crosses my mind. I'm about ten years younger than you, married eleven years, similar financial situation (she works because she wants to, but my income and retirement money would more than pay the bills), relatively good shape (I run about 5 miles a day, but I don't have a six pack any longer), and I treat my wife like a queen. It drives me nuts that our sexual relationship has deteriorated to the point that it has. For two years I watched it deteriorate so I made incremental changes for what I thought was the better. My wife just got colder and colder. It's to the point that if she had an affair I would actually be happy for her because I truly believe she now hates sex, and that is no way for anyone to live. It's tough to look at your life and know that you have everything in life but the one thing that you really want (in my case, a satisfying sex life). It's gotten to the point that she has told me that I can go find a girlfriend. Now I'm not against open relationships (I've never had one), but I believe if you have one it shouldn't be because your wife doesn't want to have sex anymore. I'm sad because at what point do you give up on a otherwise great marriage and find a relationship that is more fulfilling. I want to grow old with my wife, but 31 years old is too early to give up on sex.
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For some people it's a kind of kinky thought, but for others, I think it speaks to the love we feel for our wives and our desperation to improve the situation. Maybe it's also a little bit about soothing the guilt over thinking about how nice it would be to have sex with someone (else) who's as into it as you are.
I think this situation is fairly common. The women all talk about it with each other, so they think it's normal and don't worry about it. In my experience, guys don't usually talk about these things with their friends until they're about to get a divorce. Guys just aren't as good at supporting each other emotionally.
Good luck, and keep trying to make it work. Focus on the big picture and be patient. A lot can change between 30 and 40. Having a 2 year old isn't easy on anyone...
01/25/2014
This is a long shot but something I think might worth mentioning. Is there a possibility that your wives were raised where sex was viewed as something sinful/dirty. I have noticed through the years that people who are raised with that view can have difficulty enjoying sex, even with their spouses.
01/25/2014
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Thanks for sharing EastCoast! I don't have any answers, but a few thoughts and comments:
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EastCoast36
Oliver, it is incredible how similar our situations are. My wife and I have been together a little over 10 years, and we have always had a good sex life. Still, I have almost always felt like it could be better. I have some issues with PE, but
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Oliver, it is incredible how similar our situations are. My wife and I have been together a little over 10 years, and we have always had a good sex life. Still, I have almost always felt like it could be better. I have some issues with PE, but it's not severe and she doesn't ever seem to mind. It almost bothers me how little she cares. I've learned to deal with it by trying to get her off first with oral. Problem with that is she often doesn't want me to go there or asks me to stop so she can orgasm with me in her.
Back to the topic though, we are quite alike. My wife and I are fit and active. She does work, and her job is more demanding than mine. We have two children. I have a vasectomy. We are very loving with each other, but I have found that communicating about sex is difficult and becoming even harder. I feel like any time I bring it up, she instantly thinks I am complaining. She probably isn't too far off, because I do get bored with the same vanilla sex. The part I can't figure out is when I can get us to spice it up, she more often than not gets off just as much as me. She never shares any sex fantasy (I question if she has them), she sometimes flirts, but never very "dirty," and I can't remember the time she suggested playing with toys. If I suggest a "movie" (porn) night, she is usually game, but I am often holding my breath for her to be offended by a slight gag during a BJ or something else that could kill the mood. One scene is usually on a couple of minutes before she is reaching for me. I'd actually enjoy watching her grab a toy and play with herself, but I sure can't tell her that. Oddly, she has never taken to her magic wand. Finally, there just seems to be some artificial quota in her head about how often we should have sex and the ratio of making love and wild sex. It has never made sense to me.
I'm not going to go too far into it, but one problem we have had over the years with sex is my interest in anal sex with her. She is not interested in it, so I've had to accept it. She does humor me with allowing occasional anal play, and I appreciate that.
She does enjoy getting away from the kids with me, but it's not realistic to do that once a month. Plus, why can't we have fun at home? Date nights are fun, but I've not found that they translate that well to exciting sex. I feel your pain. Good luck. If you find an answer, I'd sure be interested. less
Back to the topic though, we are quite alike. My wife and I are fit and active. She does work, and her job is more demanding than mine. We have two children. I have a vasectomy. We are very loving with each other, but I have found that communicating about sex is difficult and becoming even harder. I feel like any time I bring it up, she instantly thinks I am complaining. She probably isn't too far off, because I do get bored with the same vanilla sex. The part I can't figure out is when I can get us to spice it up, she more often than not gets off just as much as me. She never shares any sex fantasy (I question if she has them), she sometimes flirts, but never very "dirty," and I can't remember the time she suggested playing with toys. If I suggest a "movie" (porn) night, she is usually game, but I am often holding my breath for her to be offended by a slight gag during a BJ or something else that could kill the mood. One scene is usually on a couple of minutes before she is reaching for me. I'd actually enjoy watching her grab a toy and play with herself, but I sure can't tell her that. Oddly, she has never taken to her magic wand. Finally, there just seems to be some artificial quota in her head about how often we should have sex and the ratio of making love and wild sex. It has never made sense to me.
I'm not going to go too far into it, but one problem we have had over the years with sex is my interest in anal sex with her. She is not interested in it, so I've had to accept it. She does humor me with allowing occasional anal play, and I appreciate that.
She does enjoy getting away from the kids with me, but it's not realistic to do that once a month. Plus, why can't we have fun at home? Date nights are fun, but I've not found that they translate that well to exciting sex. I feel your pain. Good luck. If you find an answer, I'd sure be interested. less
I don't know where women learn this quota system, but it makes sex transactional and destroys relationships by removing the element of chemistry. It also causes PE. PE is seldom a concern for a guy who is getting it every day. Then you get cut back to once a week and the anxiety creeps in. I've had this problem too, but I've found it helps a lot if I masturbate regularly.
I also got a Vixskin Mustang, which is almost identical to my dick. I've used it a few times when I was taking a cool down break, and it works well. She thought it was a little sketchy at first, but she's coming around. Hide it under a pillow and ask for forgiveness if you have to. I really have to back off when we use the magic wand, so I just tried some Promescent. It works great and lets you go after it even when her whole vag is vibrating, which is a pretty awesome feeling. Lastly, we seem to have the best sex in the morning or afternoon. It takes some planning, but the results are better when nobody is tired. Being tired makes me get off faster and her get off slower, which puts us out of sync.
Keep trying the wand. It helps my wife have earth-shaking orgasms, which I'm hoping will make sex more goal-oriented for her. If it's too much, try the Gee Whizzard. It reduces the strength and opens up some awesome DP possibilities. My wife kind of dismissed the wand at first, and it sat in our gunsafe for years. Then after I got the Gee Whizzard, we tried it again with great results. During one crazy session, we did a DVP with the Gee Whizzard. I'll spare you the details, but ever since then, she hasn't turned down the wand, and she's even asked for it a few times. When possible, I get it out and ready before we get started.
I don't know why our women don't seem as interested in "spicing it up" as we do. They're probably afraid to hurt our feelings, or maybe they just don't have the same needs. My wife could go a month without sex and be perfectly happy. If I could have 3 huge orgasms in one session with my spouse and the magic wand, I'd do it every day.
So as you can tell, my strategy has been to make sex as pleasurable as possible for her. It's depressing when the sex is better and she seems to be having more and bigger orgasms, but that doesn't translate into any additional motivation or interest. That's what makes me personally feel a bit hopeless. The answer probably makes perfect sense to women, but no sense to men: She's happy having vanilla sex, and even though the thrill is gone, she doesn't want it to get any better. She just wants to give you the bare minimum to keep you around.
I don't know how to respond to that other than making it as good as possible. It's almost like some ingrained biological response to a long-term relationship. But that's another topic, and I've already said too much...
01/25/2014
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I agree with the previous posters...It really is probably just her. I struggled with it for years post-kids and being on eden and taking vitamins to heighten my libido has helped but even still the daily chores of life, work, kids, busyness is wearing and I am too exhausted at times to think about or truly enjoy sex. Give her some time as well as some rest. I'm sure she appreciates your efforts. Just keep the line of communication open and good luck.
Originally posted by
Oliver Klozoff
My wife and I have been together for 17 years, married almost 12 with two kids. Over the past few years, her interest in sex has declined significantly. She still enjoys it and initiates it, but she treats it like a chore. I don't know if the
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My wife and I have been together for 17 years, married almost 12 with two kids. Over the past few years, her interest in sex has declined significantly. She still enjoys it and initiates it, but she treats it like a chore. I don't know if the kids are wearing her out or if she's no longer attracted to me. She says it's not me--she doesn't feel motivated to have sex with anyone.
My guess is that her duties as mother absorb a lot of energy, and after 17 years, sex is getting a little stale. I should add that we are both in good shape and still have our looks. She's gained a few lbs, but is still very fit. Our equipment is compatible and in good working order.
To make things more varied and interesting, I have started purchasing toys--Magic Wand, Eroscillator, Vixskin Mustang, Jimmy Jane vibrators, etc. I have a Lonestar and a Colossus extender that I haven't pulled out yet.
So my question is: If my wife is just tired of me after all of these years, will the toys make it fun and interesting for her again, or is it completely hopeless?
She seems to enjoy the toys, but she won't give me much feedback. She's probably afraid to hurt my feelings. I'm hoping some of you here (especially the women) can help me understand how my wife feels about me and about the toys. I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but I'm sensing that it may be futile. less
My guess is that her duties as mother absorb a lot of energy, and after 17 years, sex is getting a little stale. I should add that we are both in good shape and still have our looks. She's gained a few lbs, but is still very fit. Our equipment is compatible and in good working order.
To make things more varied and interesting, I have started purchasing toys--Magic Wand, Eroscillator, Vixskin Mustang, Jimmy Jane vibrators, etc. I have a Lonestar and a Colossus extender that I haven't pulled out yet.
So my question is: If my wife is just tired of me after all of these years, will the toys make it fun and interesting for her again, or is it completely hopeless?
She seems to enjoy the toys, but she won't give me much feedback. She's probably afraid to hurt my feelings. I'm hoping some of you here (especially the women) can help me understand how my wife feels about me and about the toys. I'm not ready to throw in the towel, but I'm sensing that it may be futile. less
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