Do "Experts" get dibs on new toys?

Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
Something I've noticed while browsing the "recent additions" section of the site--just about every single new toy that has been added as of late has been revealed to the public with a verified review already attached to it. Not only that, but the Product Description isn't even an actual description... it's just text taken directly from the review, with the reviewer referred to as "Expert XXXX". I don't know how long this has been going on and maybe that's just the way things are done here at EdenFantasys.com, but I'm just really confused. Do top-ranked reviewers get first dibs on all the new stuff? The publish date for the reviews for new toys is actually a day earlier than the toy's release date!

If anyone could clarify this for me, I'd be really grateful! :]
11/14/2008
Program Manager Program Manager
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
Something I've noticed while browsing the "recent additions" section of the site--just about every single new toy that has been added as of late has been revealed to the public with a verified review already attached to it. Not only that, but the ... More
This is actually a project we have underway to provide more accurate and thorough descriptions of all new toys. There are a number of community members involved in it, and we add more regularly.
11/14/2008
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Program Manager
This is actually a project we have underway to provide more accurate and thorough descriptions of all new toys. There are a number of community members involved in it, and we add more regularly.
That's ironic--I contacted the Reviews Administrator not too long ago about the questionable quality of some of the older product descriptions (typos, bad grammar, truly terrible advice on how to use a product). This seems like a wonderful solution. If you don't mind my asking, how to you choose which community members to add to the "special project" squad?
11/14/2008
Miss Jane Miss Jane
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
Something I've noticed while browsing the "recent additions" section of the site--just about every single new toy that has been added as of late has been revealed to the public with a verified review already attached to it. Not only that, but the ... More
Nope, no 'dibs'. We don't get to see the products before we get them, they're just assigned.
11/15/2008
Grizli Grizli
This is an experimental program we call *Review description*.

There are several purposes to it:
This way all new toys get tested. We haven't been able to physically test all products before. Reviewer's opinion is very important and sometimes we do not release the products for sale based on the negative review.
Instead of providing customers with standard product copy which most of the time is blurb that many of us do not read at all, we are able to attach meaningful and helpful product information.
This brings individuality, variety and fun to shopping.

The program has some shortcomings also. As already mentioned, a reviewer doesn't see the product before she/he gets it. The products are totally new to the market and therefore little or none information exists about them at the moment of sending out to reviewer.

However, as you noticed, the program has been underway for couple of months now and it looks like we are going to release it and announce the rules. It would be great if we can discuss the selection of reviewers for this program.
11/15/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Grizli
This is an experimental program we call *Review description*.

There are several purposes to it:
This way all new toys get tested. We haven't been able to physically test all products before. Reviewer's opinion is very important and ... More
Grizli,
I've been curious about the reviewers involved in that program for awhile as well. I think it would be an interesting discussion. I know that a lot of people would probably jump at it, but I don't think it actually should be open to everyone. I'm personally not interested. (Haven't been invited either- so that works for me!) Do you want to start a separate post on it?

The side issue on this seems to be the products themselves. The lower priced toys could certainly be released and reviewed under the regular review program and then pulled if they show negative results. Is the program only related to newer more unusual or creative toys like the Bandito? Things like a new vibrator or dildo in a different size, color or material seem like pretty well known designs and styles. Are you including those in the program as well?
11/15/2008
Grizli Grizli
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Originally posted by Dragon
Grizli,
I've been curious about the reviewers involved in that program for awhile as well. I think it would be an interesting discussion. I know that a lot of people would probably jump at it, but I don't think it actually should be open to ... More
Thank you, Devilbluedress.

You raised very important questions about the product themselves. The program participation issue is a separate one and I think it is better discussed in the separate thread.

The manufacturing of the sex toys seems to proliferate. We see more new companies entering the market and more variety produced by the established brands. (Interesting note: while writing previous sentence I realized that I don't know any example of the manufacturer leaving the sex toy market). However, the new additions are not always the right ones. We see innovative designs (SaSi would be the good a good example), classic designs manufactured with new, safe materials and additional little features, however, the majority of the new additions are *same old stuff* with minimal visible changes.

The review program in the first place was established to help people navigate in the great variety of products. For example, Eden carries about 11,000 SKUs. It is probably the biggest selection online, but let me assure you – it is far from what is being offered by manufacturers.
Now, we are taking the review program to the next level – we want the community help us select the best products out there. It is not necessarily the most expensive products. We have to find, and I believe we can find, affordable, quality toys in all categories.

The selection process have multiple steps:
- we conduct preliminary research (shows, magazines, internet, contacts) and make a test purchases of the products we feel would be great to carry.
- when product is in the office, we use inside expertise to decide if we want to proceed with it on the website;
- if we select it, we send it to the reviewer for the test drive.
- If the product earns enough collective backings (from our product specialists and reviewer), we put it up on the website and offer for sale.

The process is lengthy and quite complex from logistical point of view, but it is how we operate now.
11/15/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Grizli
Thank you, Devilbluedress.

You raised very important questions about the product themselves. The program participation issue is a separate one and I think it is better discussed in the separate thread.

The manufacturing of the sex toys ... More
I'm going to take this to a new thread... I have some questions and I think a lot of people would be interested in this one.
11/15/2008
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Grizli
Thank you, Devilbluedress.

You raised very important questions about the product themselves. The program participation issue is a separate one and I think it is better discussed in the separate thread.

The manufacturing of the sex toys ... More
Huh, cool =] I do like that this means that the descriptions will be honest, down-to-earth descriptions instead of just "advert fluff". But what will happen to old descriptions? Will they be updated according to the reviews that they have accumulated over the months/years that they have already been on the site?
11/15/2008
Backseat Boohoo Backseat Boohoo
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
Huh, cool =] I do like that this means that the descriptions will be honest, down-to-earth descriptions instead of just "advert fluff". But what will happen to old descriptions? Will they be updated according to the reviews that they have accumulated ... More
Since the descriptions project seems to be part of a "should we sell this or not?" process, I doubt old toy descriptions will be updated.
11/15/2008
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Although reviewers do not exactly get dibs, it does seem to me like some people are able to do more verified reviews because of this.
11/16/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
Although reviewers do not exactly get dibs, it does seem to me like some people are able to do more verified reviews because of this.
I think that's true, but the description program does not automatically go to the highest ranking reviewers. I still have no idea how people end up in.
11/16/2008
Backseat Boohoo Backseat Boohoo
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Originally posted by Dragon
I think that's true, but the description program does not automatically go to the highest ranking reviewers. I still have no idea how people end up in.
It may just be because they write quality reviews. I was asked to join, and at the risk of sounding really stuck-up, I think I write a fairly thorough review.
11/16/2008
Airlia Airlia
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Originally posted by Backseat Boohoo
It may just be because they write quality reviews. I was asked to join, and at the risk of sounding really stuck-up, I think I write a fairly thorough review.
lol, you're not stuck up!
11/18/2008
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
So, basically, the people doing the descriptions of new products are also doing a verified review of new products which leaves no new products for other reviewers?

Not to be a pill but, as others have stated all over the forum, it's getting hard to find unreviewed product in our price ranges and all the new, interesting stuff is coming out already reviewed.

It sorta sucks.

I understand those doing the descriptions write great reviews but, at the same time, it's easier to write a great review on a product that's new and hot. Less so with the 'same old, same old", lower quality stuff the rest of us are choosing from.
12/09/2008
Bulma Bulma
Even if a toy already has a review on it, you can still request it as a free assignment.

The buyout option counts as verified reviews also, and although you don't get it for free, you are able to request it on anything on the site, no matter how many reviews the item already has.

I've not had trouble finding toys that I really want for free assignment yet. Sure, I'm not getting the newest and coolest toys, but they are still toys that I'm really enjoying. My last request for example was a bullet, and while it may not be anything super exciting, it was a well priced toy that I have had a great time with.
12/09/2008
Backseat Boohoo Backseat Boohoo
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Originally posted by Bulma
Even if a toy already has a review on it, you can still request it as a free assignment.

The buyout option counts as verified reviews also, and although you don't get it for free, you are able to request it on anything on the site, no matter ... More
I have to agree with Bulma. I've found hundreds of things that have been on the site for as long as 3 years and haven't been reviewed.

Personally, I haven't gotten anything through the program that is brand new and unheard of; most of it has been pretty traditional things. Also, none of it has been "super-expensive," so it's not like we're getting heaps of brand new, exclusive, one-of-a-kind, $100+ toys. Even when I request assignments outside of the descriptions program, I tend to pick things that are commonplace and just haven't been reviewed yet.
12/09/2008
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Bulma
Even if a toy already has a review on it, you can still request it as a free assignment.

The buyout option counts as verified reviews also, and although you don't get it for free, you are able to request it on anything on the site, no matter ... More
But.. but... but... after doing this for a year I want something cool and newwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Lol.

On a serious, less whiny note, it *does* seem like the same few people get all the new toys and, until I read about this description program, I couldn't figure out why.

It makes more sense now even if I'm not liking it much.
12/09/2008
Backseat Boohoo Backseat Boohoo
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
But.. but... but... after doing this for a year I want something cool and newwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Lol.

On a serious, less whiny note, it *does* seem like the same few people get all the new toys and, until I read about this description ... More
I think the more experienced, more prolific reviewers get most of the "original," flashy stuff because they ARE experienced. I know that EF trusts an expensive, top-of-the-line toy with writers like Bulma and Epiphora more than they would with me, and to be honest, that's fine by me. EF is not a sex toy charity (not saying you're saying that, Carrie Ann, just a point I thought I'd bring up, since it comes up in discussion sometimes), so WHAT I get doesn't matter to me. I love writing and wouldn't mind becoming a sex columnist, so I honestly think of the descriptions program as a job, and it's my job to give a fair review on products, regardless of how much they cost.

Humorously, that's actually what my friends and I call it, too. When I'm sent new things or buy something with my own money, I tell my friends I have to go to the mail room and "pick up work." =P
12/09/2008
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Backseat Boohoo
I think the more experienced, more prolific reviewers get most of the "original," flashy stuff because they ARE experienced. I know that EF trusts an expensive, top-of-the-line toy with writers like Bulma and Epiphora more than they would with me, ... More
I guess I"m just feeling bleh lately.

EF has been thru a lot of changes since I started. Four program managers, if my count is right. :0 Changes in the price structure, changes in rating, changes in how often you can get toys. With those changes come glitches and readjustment.

I suppose we're not all going to like all the changes every time.

I know, for me, it's not a "job". It's something I started doing for fun because I was approached, via my blog, and asked to do it.

And most times it is fun.

But every once in awhile when the system has you waiting two months for your next review or the program admin changes yet again and doesn't always follow thru on what the past admin had set up or you're browsing for a toy and everything that sparks your interest is already reviewed and you know it's pretty much going to stay that way with the new system...

Eh. Like I said. I have a case of the blahs. Maybe it's time I hung up my EF reviewer hat or, at least, took a break from it for a bit.

I certainly don't mean to sound like I expect EF to be a sex toy soup kitchen and I don't mean to bring anyone else down or be a big complainer.

*shrug*

I'm just staring a change in the face that I don't like much and I'm not known for keepin' my mouth shut.
12/09/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I guess I"m just feeling bleh lately.

EF has been thru a lot of changes since I started. Four program managers, if my count is right. :0 Changes in the price structure, changes in rating, changes in how often you can get toys. With those ... More
lol. You think that *I'm* known for keeping my mouth shut?

I hear what you are saying, and understand a lot of it.
12/09/2008
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Dragon
lol. You think that *I'm* known for keeping my mouth shut?

I hear what you are saying, and understand a lot of it.
Ditto.

But, as some people have done I decided to branch out into books. And who knows, maybe DVDs some day, too. That should sate the beast within for a while.
12/10/2008
Sir Sir
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
So, basically, the people doing the descriptions of new products are also doing a verified review of new products which leaves no new products for other reviewers?

Not to be a pill but, as others have stated all over the forum, it's getting ... More
I agree with that. I'm not even sure if they still have me on the Description Review program or not - I haven't gotten an assignment in a couple of months.
06/13/2009
Jessica Elizabeth Jessica Elizabeth
Huh.. LOL I'd always wondered why it seemed the same people had all the new toys now I know
06/13/2009
Xavier7 Xavier7
I wonder how you join that program. I guess you just have to get really good! It sounds like a cool idea. I wish I could be in on it, but I feel spoiled already. I love this place!
12/09/2010
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