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Attack of the Italics!

Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
I know I've seen this brought up once or twice in other threads, but I can't find any of them right now and I'm looking for an answer =._.=

How do you turn the italics off on reviews? I remember In the pink saying that she sometimes goes through reviews and manually gets rid of italics, but the thing is-- I DON'T PUT ITALICS IN MY REVIEWS (on purpose!) They just pop up after publishing. Like mushrooms. Has anyone else had this problem?

It seems that the words that are auto-italicized are key terms that relate to the product itself. For example, in my review of Cherry Sex Tarts Lube link, the words "cherry" and "sex tarts lube", among others, are commonly italicized throughout the review body. I... don't get the point of this. At all. If someone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful.

One more bone to pick-- my simile comparing mouth-watering effects to the Niagara ended up as a LINK to another review that I didn't write! What on Earth??! Anyone else find these auto-formatting things weird?
03/04/2009
jedent jedent
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I know I've seen this brought up once or twice in other threads, but I can't find any of them right now and I'm looking for an answer =._.=

How do you turn the italics off on reviews? I remember In the pink saying that she sometimes goes ... More
I had random links pop up in my reviews too, and I was asked to remove them once. Swear I didnt put them there.
03/05/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I know I've seen this brought up once or twice in other threads, but I can't find any of them right now and I'm looking for an answer =._.=

How do you turn the italics off on reviews? I remember In the pink saying that she sometimes goes ... More
The formatting is added for various reasons by EF - italics for emphasis (for reasons you mentioned) and links to strengthen Search Engine Optimization. You should be able to go back and edit reviews to take out the italics but there is nothing to be done before the fact.
03/05/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
It seems a little redundant to me that those things are automatically put in, but then we are held responsible for taking them back out again... Wouldn't it be more efficient for that part of the... ++magical review sparkly machine++ to just be removed if they don't want that extra formatting in the first place?
03/05/2009
Dragon Dragon
This REALLY should be formally clarified by the powers that be. More than once they have said they they don't add anything except minor formatting, but reviewers keep finding formatting that they don't understand or links that they didn't put into the reviews.
03/05/2009
Mamastoys Mamastoys
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I know I've seen this brought up once or twice in other threads, but I can't find any of them right now and I'm looking for an answer =._.=

How do you turn the italics off on reviews? I remember In the pink saying that she sometimes goes ... More
I saw that in your review and wondered how and why it was there..It's the gremlins doing it!
03/05/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Mamastoys
I saw that in your review and wondered how and why it was there..It's the gremlins doing it!
Darn gremlins!
03/05/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
It seems a little redundant to me that those things are automatically put in, but then we are held responsible for taking them back out again... Wouldn't it be more efficient for that part of the... ++magical review sparkly machine++ to just be ... More
It is redundant but, then again, it's not done for fun - it's done because someone wants it done.
03/05/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It is redundant but, then again, it's not done for fun - it's done because someone wants it done.
Right... so someone wants it done.... but then someone else asks us to get rid of them. Like jedent mentioned, she's been asked to take out links that * she didn't put in * . I'd like to hear one big universal "yes" or "no" to formatting in reviews. It's a little confusing right now.
03/05/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
Right... so someone wants it done.... but then someone else asks us to get rid of them. Like jedent mentioned, she's been asked to take out links that * she didn't put in * . I'd like to hear one big universal "yes" or "no" to formatting in reviews. ... More
Oh, hmm, well I don't know what their official policy is.
03/05/2009
Victoria Victoria
Just to let you all know... This happens AFTER I read, categorize, rate etc your reviews. I believe it is done by our SEO team but I will find out for sure and get back to you. It's nothing you are doing wrong. Thanks!
03/05/2009
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Victoria
Just to let you all know... This happens AFTER I read, categorize, rate etc your reviews. I believe it is done by our SEO team but I will find out for sure and get back to you. It's nothing you are doing wrong. Thanks!
That would be fantastic. Right now we get that Eden "doesn't" add formatting, yet the reviewers personally have seen differently.
03/06/2009
Miss KissThis Miss KissThis
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Originally posted by Victoria
Just to let you all know... This happens AFTER I read, categorize, rate etc your reviews. I believe it is done by our SEO team but I will find out for sure and get back to you. It's nothing you are doing wrong. Thanks!
That's good to know.

Honestly, though, I had asked about this quite a while ago and was pretty much told that it must be something that I was doing wrong. It would have been nice to be told that it wasn't my fault, especially after I felt like I had been disciplined for something I didn't even do. link
03/06/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Miss KissThis
That's good to know.

Honestly, though, I had asked about this quite a while ago and was pretty much told that it must be something that I was doing wrong. It would have been nice to be told that it wasn't my fault, especially after I felt like ... More
Yeah... I think it's your post that I remembered from a while ago. That's why I was confused--because we didn't add the formatting we were asked to remove!

It's cool that In the pink is going to provide us with some answers though. I can't wait for this to be cleared up!
03/06/2009
Victoria Victoria
I told ya I'd get you some answers! So, straight from the top, here ya go:

Any insertion of italics or bold will stop. It is being addressed to the SEO team.

The links will stay, we need them and the users need them. "This is the internet after all." - which makes total sense and is helpful.

So if you notice any links acting weird, of course send me an email - but otherwise, I hope this clears thing up. Thanks!

victoria@edenfantasys. com
03/06/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Victoria
I told ya I'd get you some answers! So, straight from the top, here ya go:

Any insertion of italics or bold will stop. It is being addressed to the SEO team.

The links will stay, we need them and the users need them. "This is the ... More
Cool! Thanks. The links do make more sense than the other formatting, I was just wondering why a word in my review was hyperlinked to someone else's review of another product. Wouldn't it make sense for the link to be to the actual product? Oh well. I won't question the judgment of the SEO team on that--they're professionals!

Thank you for another mystery solved!
03/06/2009
Epiphora Epiphora
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Originally posted by Victoria
I told ya I'd get you some answers! So, straight from the top, here ya go:

Any insertion of italics or bold will stop. It is being addressed to the SEO team.

The links will stay, we need them and the users need them. "This is the ... More
I'm glad this has finally been addressed. I wish that it had been resolved when it was first brought up on the forums, though. Back then, you passionately denied that you were adding links to reviews and said it was some kind of "glitch" in the system. This explanation makes more sense and I wonder why it was not given to us in the previous thread.
03/06/2009
Juliettia Juliettia
Well at least we have an answer.
03/07/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Epiphora
I'm glad this has finally been addressed. I wish that it had been resolved when it was first brought up on the forums, though. Back then, you passionately denied that you were adding links to reviews and said it was some kind of "glitch" in the ... More
I think the problem may be that different people are taking care of different things and not everyone knows what everyone else is doing. The Search Engine Optimization team probably does not usually fall within Victoria's scope of understand-to-do (or however it should be put--operating on low blood sugar!)So when it was first brought up the forums, Victoria wasn't aware that it WASN'T the reviewers doing it. Remember that the admins can't always read every post of every thread. Maybe if we'd emailed her our problems, she would have looked into it on the spot and we would have received answers much sooner.

As is, I'm just glad that we all understand what's going on now :]
03/07/2009
Miss KissThis Miss KissThis
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I think the problem may be that different people are taking care of different things and not everyone knows what everyone else is doing. The Search Engine Optimization team probably does not usually fall within Victoria's scope of understand-to-do ... More
I'm also glad we know.

The thing is- I have a few e-mails I've sent quite a while ago that have gone unanswered, so e-mails don't seem to be the end all to be all. And, sorry to point this out, but you posted on the forums about this as well, and it seemed to work.

I don't expect Victoria to know every single thing that is going on at EF- that would just be too much for any single person. I know she's very busy, and don't expect her to handle every aspect of the webiste, since that's not her job. But, yes, I am a little peeved that I got an automatic response that told me I was doing something wrong, and that it was my fault. The ball stopped there, and now that I've come to find out it in fact wasn't my fault, I'm left with a few uneasy feelings about how everything was handled.
03/07/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Miss KissThis
I'm also glad we know.

The thing is- I have a few e-mails I've sent quite a while ago that have gone unanswered, so e-mails don't seem to be the end all to be all. And, sorry to point this out, but you posted on the forums about this as well, ... More
Yeah, I see your point. There have been other threads and, I imagine, other emails that asked the same question that this thread does. I started this thread not to specifically alert Victoria to it, but more to see what other people were experiencing. Probably, if Victoria hadn't replied to this thread, I would've shot an email over asking more specifically about the matter after learning about how other contributors were dealing with this problem.

I'm not saying that emails are the cure to every ailment. Some of my emails to staff haven't been responded to and some of them contained misinformation in their responses. I don't know where or how the glitches in communication occur, just that they do. I'm sorry that you felt like you were accused of doing something wrong when in fact it was completely out of your hands. But, look on the bright side! All contributors had the same problem, and even though it took a while to figure out just where the misunderstanding was occurring, we've finally solved this together.

In the future, though, I really hope that problems like this get resolved on the first try!
03/08/2009
Epiphora Epiphora
The links will stay, we need them and the users need them. "This is the internet after all." - which makes total sense and is helpful.

I am reviving this thread because one of my reviews has been severely linkified recently (see here) and I don't think it's okay. I can understand one link for the Hitachi Magic Wand and one link for the Acuvibe Mini. But the rest are just ridiculous. If a person is reading the review, they know how to find the product page for the Acuvibe Mini. They do not need a link every time I use the name of the product. It looks horrible and is unnecessary.
03/13/2009
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Epiphora
The links will stay, we need them and the users need them. "This is the internet after all." - which makes total sense and is helpful.

I am reviving this thread because one of my reviews has been severely linkified recently (see here) and I ... More
Epiphora is absolutely right. I looked at that review. She wrote a fantastic review and it's full of crappy links. (*Wants to start a revolt!!!!*)

The first time, she uses the "Hitachi Magic Wand" and it links to the forum instead of a product. That's stupid, I'd bet that Eden does sell the Hitachi, but I didn't look.

There are FIVE links to a product that doesn't even look like the picture for the product that she's reviewing. I'm assuming it's the same. There is one link to SOMEBODY else's review for the same product. All for the name "Acuvibe Mini."

I'm really with Epiphora on this one. It makes her look bad. I seem to remember that "In the Pink said on another forum that the product should be linked to at most ONCE. Also given that rank is determined by activity and review ratings, it can be negatively affected by sending the "reader" to another review on the product. (Sending the "reader" to another review on a different product is relatively pointless. I know that's happened with me.)

After being told several times that this has never happened and will not happen, I admit to being really irritated.

I know why. This has to do with the way that internet search engines rank a company. The more links both internal, and external that a "site" has, the higher the ranking.

If Eden wants links, then let the reviewers add relevant ones. NOT CRAP. In the end, we'll just go back and delete them. I know I will.
03/13/2009
Dragon Dragon
*bump*

New thread?
03/16/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Dragon
Epiphora is absolutely right. I looked at that review. She wrote a fantastic review and it's full of crappy links. (*Wants to start a revolt!!!!*)

The first time, she uses the "Hitachi Magic Wand" and it links to the forum instead of a ... More
The review does seem a little over-linked, but they're not really crap. The link to the forums is to a thread that compares the Hitachi to the Acuvibe and other similar products. Epiphora's review is built around this comparison, so that link is actually somewhat relevant. The other (many, many) "Acuvibe" all link to the actual product page except for one, which links to another review of the Acuvibe. I am not seeing the "FIVE links to a product that doesn't even look like [...] the product that she's reviewing". The picture on the product page IS of a pink Acuvibe, but that's because it's the default color. I'm not sure the SEO team has time to notice that the colors are even different, much less fix the URL so it directs to the page with the right color.

The two things I am absolutely on board with:

1. Too many links to the same URL. Only one is really needed. Hyperlink-happiness actually makes a page look BAD. It might optimize search engine rankings, but if someone comes to the site, takes one look at all the reviews that are studded with hyperlinks like chocolate chip cookies with too many chocolate chips (say it ain't so!), and leaves because of a hyperlink headache... Then what's the point? There is a balance.

2. Linking to other reviews of the same product is silly. All the other reviews of the same product are already featured on the left sidebar when you read any one review. Linking to them again within a review body is insulting to the reviewer who wrote the current review and detracts from the overall readability of the review.

This thread is probably considered "closed" by the admins because Victoria already answered the original question. We have learned that the SEO team is responsible for the linkage. Epiphora's best bet is to email Victoria to see if a request can be sent to SEO to be less heavy-handed with hyperlinks. I believe Victoria herself has the power to take out hyperlinks in existing reviews... do reviewers themselves have this power? I could be wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you, Epiphora. I hope it gets fixed soon.
03/16/2009
Epiphora Epiphora
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
The review does seem a little over-linked, but they're not really crap. The link to the forums is to a thread that compares the Hitachi to the Acuvibe and other similar products. Epiphora's review is built around this comparison, so that link is ... More
I agree with both your points. I can handle a couple links, if they are relevant. But linking to other reviews is just lame, as is excessively linking the same text over and over.
03/17/2009
Victoria Victoria
I did not receive an email about this but am responding nonetheless.

I will talk to my boss about the links again. The links are put in after I see the review, so unless I revisit it - I usually do not see the extent of the links. Keep in mind that I do see every review that comes in and due to the quantity, revisiting all of them is not realistic. Not to mention that it's not my place to tell the SEO team not to do their job. What I can do is relay your thoughts to the big guy. That does not mean that links will no longer be inserted... they will be inserted. I can ask that the strategy be looked at. We already discussed discontinuing the italicizing and bold insertion - that has stopped. We are being accommodating where it is reasonable.

Our office is not situated in a way where we all know who is doing what or all that is happening, so it is sometimes difficult to know all of the background details. It was foolish for me to not assume we even had people doing SEO work, but until this situation came up again, I never had to ask. Now I know. Of course we do, we're an online business.

While many people think we have a huge staff, quite the opposite is true. We all wear many hats and because we all are so absorbed with our work, there are often things we're doing that other co-workers are not aware of. There have been a couple "hey, when did that happen?" moments. I think this is just the nature of a business where half of us telecommute 80% of the time or more.

All that being said, if you have concerns and you want them heard by management, you really need to email me. I can forward your emails to the tech team, the boss etc and it will be discussed. We do have in-office meetings once a week which is when we really get into the meat of any problems and work out issues / make plans.

I hope this is helpful Thanks! victoria@edenfantasys. com
03/17/2009
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
The review does seem a little over-linked, but they're not really crap. The link to the forums is to a thread that compares the Hitachi to the Acuvibe and other similar products. Epiphora's review is built around this comparison, so that link is ... More
Thanks Victoria for answering this. The picture issue bothered me, not because of color, but because there was some product angleing that made it look like a slightly different model.

I agree, that email is an appropriate method of communication, but the forum helps keep everyone in the loop as well.
03/17/2009
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