Rewriting reviews - Do you?

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Rewriting reviews - Do you?

Dragon Dragon
I just completely rewrote a review, and wrote another that I know is in a different style than prior ones. I've rewritten reviews in the past, but not all of them.

I know the rewrite is an improvement. It's a blend of suggestions, feedback and my own personal style. It felt awkward in the first place.

How often do you rewrite a review? And why?
02/15/2009
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Sammi Sammi
I haven't written a lot of reviews, and I've only rewritten one so far. I usually spend a lot of time writing them up and editing as I go, though.
02/15/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
I do not rewrite them save for minor edits. I feel it's sort of "cheating"
02/15/2009
That Weird Guy That Weird Guy
When I get some sexual experience I may add a few notes or something at the bottom and explain how close it was or was not to the actual thing. And any experiences I may have that were/were not ones I had with the toy/s.

Though I don't think it would be wise to rewrite any of my personal experience of being a virgin after I had intercourse.

A few sentences or a paragraph would be good I think at the bottom of the experience box I had already written.
02/15/2009
PurpleReign PurpleReign
I have done minor copy-editing on most of my reviews where I've missed things from over-familiarity with the text (common writing fault, where there's no outside editor).

I prefer to see changes, further thoughts, forgotten things added in a follow-up review. It appears more honest and human than over-polishing the original.

Besides, if a review was substantially changed from what I'd remember the original (and changed my appreciation of it...say more positively than I recalled) then I would just think I was going quietly mad.
03/03/2009
Liz2 Liz2
I try to write my reviews soon after my initial experience with the toy except for reviews of toys that I already own. In rereading reviews, I always see things that I could have said differently, more clearly or should have been added.
As time goes by, some toys I now like more and some much less as new products have replaced them. The Feeldoe was my first double dil, I enjoyed it but now compared to others, I see it an use it so differently.
03/03/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
I've changed a few of my initial reviews a little bit to make them sound less "sexy" - as I was told to make them back then - and have more of the actual info EF is now looking for in a review.
03/03/2009
PurpleReign PurpleReign
"The Feeldoe was my first double dil, I enjoyed it but now compared to others, I see it an use it so differently."

Can you explain or expand Liz?
03/03/2009
ScottA ScottA
I've rewritten one so far (the A-bomb), but the review makes no sense unless I can edit the followup as well, so I'm waiting for that feature to be added before I put more time into revising. I've looked back and realize that my first reviews were pretty bad, so they need to be reworked.
03/03/2009
Nashville Nashville
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Originally posted by ScottA
I've rewritten one so far (the A-bomb), but the review makes no sense unless I can edit the followup as well, so I'm waiting for that feature to be added before I put more time into revising. I've looked back and realize that my first ...
I've looked back at my first reviews and I'm like "ew". lol.
03/03/2009
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Nashville
I've looked back at my first reviews and I'm like "ew". lol.
Yep! That's sort of what I meant. Eden Fantasys has a different style now than when I started as well. Some of my first reviews had a summary that was "cut n paste" from the text. They also were deliberately written so that Eden staff could add links to products. It was better to provide the words than to have them mangle the grammar!
03/03/2009
PurpleReign PurpleReign
I wonder if EF might set up something so you can do a 'New' review for the same product (Take 2 or Revisited something like that)...and still keep the original (with a tag and link to the new one, so no one thinks 'that's the best they could do?') but show the change in both opinion and writing skill.

Personally, I think I'd prefer that. Shows people are always on the job here, which they are...
03/03/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by PurpleReign
I wonder if EF might set up something so you can do a 'New' review for the same product (Take 2 or Revisited something like that)...and still keep the original (with a tag and link to the new one, so no one thinks 'that's the best ...
I like this idea, too. Personally, I find rewriting reviews a bit unfair. Obviously, our reviews get better with time (well, one would hope so) and that's okay. Editing them after the fact can skew the votes/ratings. Going back to edit the reviews, especially if it is a major edit seems like an unfair advantage - like cheating.
03/03/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
I like this idea, too. Personally, I find rewriting reviews a bit unfair. Obviously, our reviews get better with time (well, one would hope so) and that's okay. Editing them after the fact can skew the votes/ratings. Going back to edit the ...
I don't get this.

Cheating at what?

It's not a game or a competition. It's supposed to be about good product reviews. Editing them to be better should be a good thing and should have no effect at all on votes or ratings.
03/03/2009
Cinnamon Chambers Cinnamon Chambers
I love going back and adding the follow up reviews. It would be great if we could do more than one...or maybe we can I did not realize it.
03/03/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
I don't get this.

Cheating at what?

It's not a game or a competition. It's supposed to be about good product reviews. Editing them to be better should be a good thing and should have no effect at all on votes or ratings.
It is a competition to a point - hence the ranking system.

Let's say your first review was poor and you get a "somewhat useful" overall ranking. You go back, rewrite it and all the votes from that point forward are much higher. The review review ranking goes up thus so does your contributor rank. If my original review sucked, that's my fault and I can take those lessons forward, add comments or do a follow up review but changing the entire review? That just doesn't seem honest to me.
03/04/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It is a competition to a point - hence the ranking system.

Let's say your first review was poor and you get a "somewhat useful" overall ranking. You go back, rewrite it and all the votes from that point forward are much higher. ...
I know that the ranking system is "curved" (that's why your rank can change even if you didn't do anything, etc.), but I really don't perceive it as competitive. Thinking about it that way makes it seem like we're all racing against each other to churn out the most reviews and get the best ratings and post the most on forums and... really, if a contributor ONLY does that for the ranking, then that takes the fun out of it.

I don't think that rewriting reviews is cheating. We have that option for a reason. We write reviews to share our experiences and thoughts about products we like and didn't like with others who are either shopping around for their new batter operated boyfriend or just plain curious. When we first start out, it's ok for us to write a "somewhat useful" review, or even "worth reading, but not useful". We're still learning to become better reviewers. We learn from reading others' reviews, from learning more about the community and its demands. As time goes by, we become better writers. We start getting "useful" and "extremely useful" ratings. We look back and see that dilapidated first review and think "hey, I can rewrite that now and make it shine".

Putting a little extra work into it and rewriting an old review to create a BETTER REVIEW isn't cheating. If it gets higher ranking, then it is deserved, because the contributor WORKED for it. It's not like going back and changing the answers on a test after you know what the right answers are. One of the most important parts of writing is revision. I have been in more than one writing course where the final paper was to revise the first paper we turned in that semester. It really helps you see how far you've come as a writer.
03/04/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
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Originally posted by Miss Cinnamon
I know that the ranking system is "curved" (that's why your rank can change even if you didn't do anything, etc.), but I really don't perceive it as competitive. Thinking about it that way makes it seem like we're all racing ...
I guess I just see it differently. The competition of being a contributor is something that makes being active very fun for me (among other things, of course). To me it is EXACTLY like "going back and changing the answers on a test after you know what the right answers are"
03/04/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
I guess I just see it differently. The competition of being a contributor is something that makes being active very fun for me (among other things, of course). To me it is EXACTLY like "going back and changing the answers on a test after you ...
Well... I guess I have to agree with you that it's fun watching your rank go up lol. It's just hard for me to wrap my head around the concept of NOT revising a piece of writing when I can. I've actually been thinking about rewriting my first and second reviews... or at least writing good follow-ups for them. I guess I'll give it some extra thought. Could you please elaborate a little more on why you feel like revising a review is cheating?
03/04/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Well, I think the ranking system reflects our usefulness. Going back and editing reviews which were poor potentially results in votes after that point which are higher (well, assuming it's a good edit. LOL). Eventually you get to a point where all your reviews are ranked fairly high or higher which raises your contributor rank. I don't argue that good reviews are important but isn't seeing our growth also important? Otherwise, why have a ranking system (of which average review ranking is apart) at all?

On the other hand, I think follow up reviews really are the way to go.
03/04/2009
PurpleReign PurpleReign
As far a major rewrites go of a less useful review, for new visitors or new members there would be some understandable confusion. If the original review tally was poor, and the text replaced with a polished one, if I came across it (say two months ago when I was first exploring the site) and saw the spread between rating and the quality of the review (low grading but to me seemed a well done and highly useful review) I'd wonder what was going on. Unless I saw Revised or something on it. Then it would make sense

Reading the reviews, making my own personal assessment, and then checking the vote tallies for it helped me greatly while learning about what was considered a good & thorough EF review. For quite a while I wouldn't even vote until I felt I comfortably had a sense of the community's standards.
03/04/2009
Liz2 Liz2
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Originally posted by PurpleReign
"The Feeldoe was my first double dil, I enjoyed it but now compared to others, I see it an use it so differently."

Can you explain or expand Liz?
I find the angle of the Feeldoe somewhat off when I use it on my b/f. The material is somewhat rigid with little give. OK with girl to girl.
I like the bulbs, for user penetration, better on both the Tango and Share. They just fit and feel so much better. Check my reviews on both..
I now use the Feeldoe primarily for solo, using the penile end for penetration and the bulb as a handle, awesome!
03/04/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Hmmm. I sort of wish management would chime in on this one. I pretty much feel like we've been given the option to edit so we should be able to edit; that editing is okay. That being said, I haven't majorly edited even my worst reviews. I've added some safety information and gotten rid of some cheesy "sexy" text but not done any major overhauls. Mostly because I know so many folks feel it's wrong.

I still don't understand how it can be cheating when we all have the same capability. It might make sense if only one of us were given the ability to edit, hence only one of us being allowed to raise our rank or whatever but we can all do it. It's a level playing field. I don't "get" how it's cheating to use the tools given to us.

Then again, if management frowns on it, if they'd prefer the edit button to be used only for grammatical errors or something... it'd be nice to know.

Or, if they approve of it, then those of us who WOULD like to fix older reviews wouldn't have to feel guilty of doing something... wrong.
03/04/2009
ScottA ScottA
I'm not looking on it as a game/competition with other reviewers. For the verified reviews, Eden is sending me a toy in return for a review that will help their customers decide whether that toy is a good fit for them or not, correct? Therefore, if further experience or a better review style can improve a poor review it is a good thing to revise it, correct?
03/04/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by ScottA
I'm not looking on it as a game/competition with other reviewers. For the verified reviews, Eden is sending me a toy in return for a review that will help their customers decide whether that toy is a good fit for them or not, correct? Therefore, ...
That's what I"m thinkin'!
03/04/2009
Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Hmmm. I sort of wish management would chime in on this one. I pretty much feel like we've been given the option to edit so we should be able to edit; that editing is okay. That being said, I haven't majorly edited even my worst reviews. ...
Here I come to errr...save the day

YES, as Carrie Ann and Scott point out, please edit your reviews to be more useful and thorough! It's NOT cheating! It's about the big picture. Especially if you’ve already submitted a follow up review and can’t formally make any further comment on the toy otherwise.

Besides, if it was a crappy review when you first posted it, you're stuck with those low votes. Editing a review doesn't wipe the slate clean - it just makes the review more useful for the readers. So, in a way, it's a pretty selfless act, as you personally don’t stand to gain much from revising it. You don’t get extra rank or higher editorial ratings or even a place on the new sex toys review list. It stays where it is, just changed for the next person who stumbles upon it. I hope that clears up any concerns.

I have seen many contributors change their tune in their follow up review or even after follow up, in the comments area below their own review. So it is acceptable. It’s easier to read when the content is in the review, not scattered among comments.

This is a personal choice. I don’t think anyone should be criticized for wanting to apply what they’ve learned. I can see how one might look at it as an ethical issue, but isn’t it unethical to leave incomplete information up when you have further experience and better information to share?
03/04/2009
Cinnamon Chambers Cinnamon Chambers
Great answer In the Pink!
03/04/2009
Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Cinnamon Chambers
Great answer In the Pink!
Thanks
03/04/2009
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Victoria
Here I come to errr...save the day

YES, as Carrie Ann and Scott point out, please edit your reviews to be more useful and thorough! It's NOT cheating! It's about the big picture. Especially if you’ve already submitted a follow up ...
Hurrah for answers! Thanks, In the pink!
03/04/2009
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
It is a competition to a point - hence the ranking system.

Let's say your first review was poor and you get a "somewhat useful" overall ranking. You go back, rewrite it and all the votes from that point forward are much higher. ...
I was glad to hear In the Pink chime in here. It's the competitiveness that I hate the most about Eden.

I am glad that it works for others, I know that it can be a powerful motivator.

For those that just want to learn about sex, write about sex, or improve their sex life the competitiveness sucks.
03/04/2009
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