Would it be helpful to vote on comments?

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Would it be helpful to vote on comments?

B8trDude B8trDude
There seems to be an endless number of comments on reviews that say nothing more than "thanks", "nice", "good", etc. Amazon allows readers to vote on whether a comment "adds to the discussion." Would you like to see EF allow visitors to rate comments?
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Yes
B8trDude , Dusk , Ms. Spice , padmeamidala , darthkitt3n , married with children , leela , Rocky LaFemme , Howells
9  (16%)
No
Petite Valentine , Kindred , Sir , wetone123 , BeautifulDarkness , KinkyKrissy , MaryExy , PassionQT , newfoundlust , Kayla , Adriana Ravenlust , Lummox , Acorn , Coralbell , etlon4 , JoanJett , Mika R. , BBW Talks Toys , ~LaUr3n~ , She's Got The Jack , sexyintexas , DeliciousSurprise , A Closet Slut (aka nipplepeople) , Darling Jen , dopy , Ansley , Enci , brittany8612 , zeebot , Shellz31 , LikeSunshineDust , JessCee , Ryuson , CSEA , Sinfully , ms.anon , Latsyrc728 , That Man from Mars , Liz2 , Beck , *Ashley*
41  (75%)
Other (describe below)
KnK , Antipova , null , js250 , sktb0007
5  (9%)
Total votes: 55
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Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
To me, the comments are meant for the reviewer, and as a reviewer I can say that even a tiny "ty!" lifts the spirits. If people leave lengthier comments or questions that help other readers, that's great, but simple acknowledgment also has its place.
07/03/2011
Sir Sir
I don't find it necessary. What we should have is the ability to delete comments.
07/03/2011
Kindred Kindred
There is a difference. The "comments" on Amazon are actually reviews, so the voting (helpful/not helpful) are more like our votes for the product reviews themselves. The comments on EF are just that, comments. No one, as far as I know, has said what the content of any comment should, or should not, be. I know it was not your intent at all when posting this poll, but could we please not continue to harp on this subject? EF is perhaps the most supportive and safe online community I have encountered. Do we really want to start critiquing how people comment?
07/03/2011
Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
yes. when i first started Eden (ie before my reviewing days) i took the whole comments thing for granted. now that i review, i can see how frustrating it is when someone rates your review as "useful" or "somewhat useful" but won't elaborate except w/ thanks,etc. some reviews are so great that i don't feel it necessary to add on but most of them could use a tip or two.
07/03/2011
B8trDude B8trDude
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Originally posted by Kindred
There is a difference. The "comments" on Amazon are actually reviews, so the voting (helpful/not helpful) are more like our votes for the product reviews themselves. The comments on EF are just that, comments. No one, as far as I know, ...
Actually, there are comments on Amazon - after people leave their reviews (which Amazon may also call comments), people can rate the remarks that other readers leave on those reviews.

The intent is to improve the dialog that takes place. Many people spend a lot of time and effort writing reviews and it's really meaningless when people leave trails of "thanks" comments without discussing anything that was written.
07/03/2011
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by B8trDude
Actually, there are comments on Amazon - after people leave their reviews (which Amazon may also call comments), people can rate the remarks that other readers leave on those reviews.

The intent is to improve the dialog that takes place. Many ...
While I absolutely loathe those comments, the ability to comment would, theoretically, also contribute to the points programs so it wouldn't really help. It fact, it might exacerbate the very problem.

My solution? You lose a finger every time you leave a pointless comment...
07/03/2011
married with children married with children
sometimes there is nothing more you can add then a thank you. other times you ask for missing info in the review.
07/04/2011
Acorn Acorn
I am guilty of saying "thanks for the review". I am still pretty new to the site and having seen it posted on every review that I read, I thought it was polite to say thank you. Don't worry, I write more than that now!
07/04/2011
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Acorn
I am guilty of saying "thanks for the review". I am still pretty new to the site and having seen it posted on every review that I read, I thought it was polite to say thank you. Don't worry, I write more than that now!
This is the problem. People should not ever feel self-conscious that whatever comment they leave will be judged. Additionally, the reviewer's responses will be equally critiqued.

Although the intent may be to improve dialog, I predict it will end most dialog except for the brave few.
07/04/2011
JoanJett JoanJett
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Originally posted by Sir
I don't find it necessary. What we should have is the ability to delete comments.
Yes.
07/04/2011
B8trDude B8trDude
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
This is the problem. People should not ever feel self-conscious that whatever comment they leave will be judged. Additionally, the reviewer's responses will be equally critiqued.

Although the intent may be to improve dialog, I predict ...
Actually, I think it will improve dialog. Again, looking at the Amazon analogy, one does not find endless strings of comments that only say, "thanks for the review" or "nice" - in fact, such terse comments are nearly no existent. They're so common here, however, that they've become the norm and many people are doing it either because they're so prevalent or, perhaps, for point farming. Just yesterday afternoon, I watched one individual leave "thanks" for about 10 reviews over the course of two minutes - there was no way that person could have read all of those reviews in such a short period of time and it would be disingenuous, at best, to think that this person was truly congratulating so many people for writing reviews that were helpful.

I don't think that points should be associated with answering "yes" or "no" to the question if a comment "adds to the discussion" but I do think that it might help to make comments more meaningful and interesting - and actually spur new discussion. I know I love the chit-chat and banter between reviewers and commenters when they're discussing the review or the product

As far as "end[ing] most dialog except for the brave few" is concerned, I think that's overstating things a bit. The existing rating system for reviews is far more brutal than asking if a comment "adds to the discussion". After all, ratings for reviews can include, "worth reading, but not useful," and "not useful at all". This has not created a dearth of people who are still willing to risk leaving reviews - there a many great reviews posted everyday. Just as good is that the reviews on EF are, overall, far more detailed and useful than many found on Amazon or elsewhere (look at other sex toy sites that allow reviews - the reviews on them are often completely useless).

Anyway, just a few more thoughts. . .
07/04/2011
leela leela
I agree with you, I think an upvote/downvote system would contribute to quality comments being noticed. Sometimes people leave insightful questions or comments on reviews, and it would be nice to be able to easily see those without having to wade through a sea of "thanks for the review!" comments.
07/04/2011
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by B8trDude
Actually, I think it will improve dialog. Again, looking at the Amazon analogy, one does not find endless strings of comments that only say, "thanks for the review" or "nice" - in fact, such terse comments are nearly no existent. ...
Again, there's a difference between EF and Amazon. On Amazon, people are largely anonymous. Here on EF, I like to think we are a community, and as such have identities that people associate with. A comment that one person considers "does not add to the conversation" is another persons polite acknowledgment for a job well done. Where do we draw the line? Taking your comments as an example (I am playing devil's advocate here. I think your comments are hilarious), do witty remarks "add to the conversation?" I think people might argue otherwise. And is it really such a pain to just scroll past all of the "Thanks" comments?

And I do believe that the number of comments will greatly decrease if such a rating system were implemented. People are already afraid to vote on reviews the way they truly feel because of the potential repercussions. And now we want to judge the potential usefulness of a person's comments?

We also have to remember that comments are left by prospective customers who may not be aware what the "standards" are for commenting. How would a person feel to leave an innocent comment only to find it has been rated as "does not contribute to the discussion?" Not a very welcoming impression in my opinion.

Rating a review is far different than rating a comment. People post reviews with the knowledge that it will be scrutinized for its content. Reviewers understand this when they enter the program. A person leaving a comment is not doing so under any sort of understanding.

And again I ask, where does it end? Do we start rating forum threads for usefulness? Because there are a ton daily that I would probably rate as such. I fear that such a path smacks of being elitist and exclusionary, whereas EF should be one of acceptance and inclusion.

Edit: I also believe that the problem is the point value associated with certain activities on the site. By doing so, we sacrifice quality for quantity.
07/04/2011
B8trDude B8trDude
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Originally posted by Kindred
Again, there's a difference between EF and Amazon. On Amazon, people are largely anonymous. Here on EF, I like to think we are a community, and as such have identities that people associate with. A comment that one person considers "does ...
People on both sites, EF and Amazon are anonymous unless (I hope) that we reveal our identities. I'll never reveal mine A periodic "thanks" is okay it's just that it's become the de facto comment for so many reviews. There are so many, that it really does make thing tedious to wade through in order to get to the "good stuff". As I've thought of this, I've also wondered how people go about finding reviews to comment in the first place. One of my own favorite ways is to look under the tabs for "sex toy reviews" (here's one link ) and then look at what the "recent comments" section. That's an area that is often filled with "nice", "good","thanks" and nothing else. When substantive comments are there, those spark interest and try attention to the toy (which is what, I'm sure, EF wants - to sell more )

I think one of the problems I'm having is that I really do not believe that the vast majority of "thanks", "nice", "good", "thanks for the review" comments are sincere or, for that matter, even a genuine commentary on the reviews. Rather, many are really related to point farming. Here's another thought - what would happen if points were NOT given for leaving comments. I suspect that the endless streams of "thanks" would eventually cease.

I started this thread after I came across yet another "thanks for the review" comment on an old review that was linked to long-gone blog. Many of the "thanks for the review" comments are little more than drive-by postings , simply cut and past the comment in as many reviews, in as short amount of time as possible. I find it to be much more meaningful to express gratitude by acknowledging, if even in a very small way, something about the review that caught my attention. I don't see rating comments as being punitive, rather as an incentive to say something relevant.

I agree with you - ratings for forum threads should NOT ever occur. I'm sure it's also not a coincidence that "thanks for the post" (or whatever) comments are not found here! I also agree that "there are a ton [of threads] daily" that lack usefulness - I just ignore those.


Finally, thanks for the compliment - I try to make my reviews witty and I think yours are too - I still laugh every time I look at your reviews. One of my favorites is Are You Man Enough to Enter Katsuni's Secret Chambers I mean we are, after all, writing about things with do with our penises or vaginas! What could be more fun than that! If people don't like certain times of reviews, they're welcome to write ones that make their penises or vaginas happy!
07/04/2011
P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
This is the problem. People should not ever feel self-conscious that whatever comment they leave will be judged. Additionally, the reviewer's responses will be equally critiqued.

Although the intent may be to improve dialog, I predict ...
I agree with Kindred. Yeah, some comments are just "thanks for the review." Meh, it isn't hurting anyone. And, I do thank people for commenting on my reviews, as they took the time to actually read it and make comments. Voting on comments? I wouldn't do it (as I don't vote for editors) because there is a lot of other things to do, and I don't feel it adds to continuing community friendliness.

I also don't think we should be able to delete comments. Often, a seasoned reviewer will ask very important questions about the review. Those who (IMO) will eventually become good reviewers take these questions in the way they were intended; as help. Those who get upset by questions rarely progress in their sophistication, and are usually the ones who disappear after 3 or 4 reviews. These people would be more likely to remove the very comments that may help them become better reviewers. This is just my opinion, however.

Removing points for leaving comments on reviews would help a lot with the "useless" comment problem. Personally, I ignore "useless" comments, as they don't hurt. But, if points were not given, I think we'd see fewer comments of less substance.
07/04/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Kindred
There is a difference. The "comments" on Amazon are actually reviews, so the voting (helpful/not helpful) are more like our votes for the product reviews themselves. The comments on EF are just that, comments. No one, as far as I know, ...
This.

And as far as improving the dialog that takes place onsite, isn't up to each of us how much we want to contribute? Some people don't want to chat or get to know anyone here. They don't want to participate in the forums, or really, on reviews. Any comment we get on our review helps our own rank, so who cares if it's a smiley face or "great review"?

I do try to mention a part of the review if I'm going to comment on one, and don't just say "thank you" or "nice review," but that's me, that's not everyone else. If I don't have any constructive or anything nice to say about a review, I just don't comment.
07/04/2011
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
I don't feel it is necessary.
07/04/2011
KnK KnK
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Originally posted by Sir
I don't find it necessary. What we should have is the ability to delete comments.
Or wouldn't it be nice if we could stop comments on a particular review after "x" period of time? I'd like that.
07/04/2011
KnK KnK
Honestly, I don't know if it would be that helpful, but sometimes I wish there was a little bar that popped up that required the commenter to say why the review was helpful or unhelpful, but I don't know if that would be very practical.
07/04/2011
Antipova Antipova
I would not like to see a "useful" or "not useful" vote on comment usefulness. In my opinion, even if the "thank you" comments aren't really weighty, they're really not harmful. I think the possible negative repercussions of voting down, or deleting, contentless comments would be MUCH worse than just letting contentless comments stand.

I can see how they're annoying for reviewers with hundreds of reviews (that must get to be a lot of emails over the course of a week, and especially if you're trying to sort out and actually answer questions that might have been asked!) But for the newest reviewers, one or two tiny thank-yous might actually be really nice to read.

I would be okay with having a +1 awesome comment type of vote. That is, you could upvote specifically good comments, but you couldn't downvote comments that you didn't like. That way, comments that contained questions might all get sorted to the first "tile" of comments on the review, while all the small "thanks"es would be left in the back.

But there's just no point to downvoting on a friendly place like Eden, I think. And really, I think that any kind of "improvement" that we'd try to make would wind up having even more consequences that we'd be regretting in a few months.
07/04/2011
Antipova Antipova
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Originally posted by KnK
Honestly, I don't know if it would be that helpful, but sometimes I wish there was a little bar that popped up that required the commenter to say why the review was helpful or unhelpful, but I don't know if that would be very practical.
I don't know if I like this very much. Sometimes I'll read a review by a new reviewer, and I'll want to leave them a comment asking for more information, but I don't want to vote on their review because I don't want their first vote to be something less than useful, because I know people can have fragile feelings when they're just starting out, and I don't want to scare them away from Eden. I appreciate being allowed to leave a constructive comment while not actually voting.

Also, stopping comments after "x" amounts of time would mean that people who really had legitimate questions would only be able to ask them via PM.

For example, when I was thinking about getting a white Ella, I was a little worried that the color might get dingy over the years. So I looked through the reviews, found one from 3 years ago of a white Ella, and left a comment asking how the color had held up. Liz Nume happily replied to me, and I was confident enough to buy my white Ella. And now anyone else who reads that review can have that information, too.
07/04/2011
Antipova Antipova
Quote:
Originally posted by Antipova
I don't know if I like this very much. Sometimes I'll read a review by a new reviewer, and I'll want to leave them a comment asking for more information, but I don't want to vote on their review because I don't want their first ...
Whoops, I read "whether" instead of "why." I pretty much explained the opposite of what you meant! Ignore my first paragraph.
07/04/2011
sexyintexas sexyintexas
Sometimes I put thanks, sometimes I leave comments on the product and sometimes I have questions for the reviewers. It just depends, if I have nothing to add I will just say thanks as it at least lets the reviewer know that I appriciate the time that they took to write it.
07/04/2011
Pixel Pixel
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Originally posted by Adriana Ravenlust
While I absolutely loathe those comments, the ability to comment would, theoretically, also contribute to the points programs so it wouldn't really help. It fact, it might exacerbate the very problem.

My solution? You lose a finger every ...
What happens when they run out of fingers? Do we move to toes and noses?
07/04/2011
null null
I think it'd be nice if comments that asked or answered questions could be up-voted, but I think down-voting could step on some toes.
07/04/2011
P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by Antipova
I don't know if I like this very much. Sometimes I'll read a review by a new reviewer, and I'll want to leave them a comment asking for more information, but I don't want to vote on their review because I don't want their first ...
I agree with Antipova. I enjoy getting comments on my reviews, even after time. It means my review is still relevant, and people are still interested enough to say something. Also, I tend to get comments (and even a few votes) when I add a follow up to my review, and some of my follow ups are close to a YEAR after the original review, so I want those comments and votes.

Also, I often will ask questions of a newer reviewer rather than rating them lower. I don't want to hurt feelings. So, yeah, I do sometimes comment without a vote. Often I'll go back and see (if I remember) if the question was answered. If the comment was addressed in the content of the review so much better.
07/07/2011
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by null
I think it'd be nice if comments that asked or answered questions could be up-voted, but I think down-voting could step on some toes.
I half agree, I don't think comments should be voted on at all. For the very reason you mentioned. People who obviously don't want constructive criticism could wreak havoc with your score, when you were only trying to help.

I think voting on comments would stop people from being honest with their comments and they'd all end up "GREAT REVIEW!"
07/07/2011
newfoundlust newfoundlust
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Originally posted by B8trDude
There seems to be an endless number of comments on reviews that say nothing more than "thanks", "nice", "good", etc. Amazon allows readers to vote on whether a comment "adds to the discussion." Would you like ...
To us the review comments are primarily for the reviewer. We areletting them know we read their hard work, that it is appreciated, and what our thoughts are on the product (thanks for the discovery, we feel similarly, we had a different experience) and will often ask the reviewer questions as a nice way of suggesting how the review might have been improved in our opinion.
07/07/2011
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Kindred
There is a difference. The "comments" on Amazon are actually reviews, so the voting (helpful/not helpful) are more like our votes for the product reviews themselves. The comments on EF are just that, comments. No one, as far as I know, ...
I couldn't agree with you more. When I read the content of this post the first thing that came to mind was "this is seriously a very, very bad idea". No one deserves the right to judge the comments I leave.

If someone doesn't like the simple comment of TY or thank you or great review, too bad. It's just a way for us voters to say "hey, I was here, thanks for taking the time (and pleasure) to give us information on toys".
07/07/2011
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