Mentors: How many drafts will go to with a Student with vocab/sentence structure issues!

Naughty Student Naughty Student
I assume each mentor has his own style for helping out their students.

I tend to be very available, reply very quickly and I point out where improvements need to be done. I do not correct the review but point what the major mistakes are, and where they are in order for the student to correct it themselves. That way once they graduate they can fly on their own, so to speak.

But, if you have pointed out the mistakes, even gone to the lengths of doing a "corrected version of the paragraph" example and the student sends the review back with few corrections, and actually uses the actual phrases used in the correction version you sent them....

Would you send it back fully/partly corrected OR repeat the same things you told them the first or second time you sent it back to them?
03/10/2011
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Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by Naughty Student
I assume each mentor has his own style for helping out their students.

I tend to be very available, reply very quickly and I point out where improvements need to be done. I do not correct the review but point what the major mistakes are, and ... More
I would still send it back to the student if it's not done properly. It's tough to do, I know, but they need to learn how to write correctly to write readable reviews. If it comes down to it, you are not at all required to graduate them, and you can recommend they go through the mentor program again.
03/10/2011
Kindred Kindred
I agree with Tori in that I would continue to send it back. I also don't generally give examples. I usually just give bullet points of suggestions.
03/10/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Kindred
I agree with Tori in that I would continue to send it back. I also don't generally give examples. I usually just give bullet points of suggestions.
I will give examples if there's something they're having a hard time wording, but if they use MY wording, I send it back and ask them to fix it. I try and give them a rough idea/bullet points of what to include in their reviews (not toy-specific, general things). That way they can come up with their own ideas.

I sometimes struggle with letting them have their own voice. One of my students is very matter-of-fact. Her reviews might seem short, but it's her. I always worry that they will be voted as less than what they are since she doesn't write 2 paragraphs in each section like some other reviews. I don't want to ask her to write longer reviews because it's just not her.

I try and point out major grammatical points that they've missed, but I will correct small things that like a missed capitalization. I still miss some things. I'm sure we all do. We're only human after all.

And by the way, I hate the voting on the mentor's job. When you're focusing on getting a good review out, sometimes things get overlooked. Not intentionally, but on occasion. Some voters are too hard on the mentor and they tend to forget that we're doing a bigger job than simply editing grammar.
03/10/2011
Naughty Student Naughty Student
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
I will give examples if there's something they're having a hard time wording, but if they use MY wording, I send it back and ask them to fix it. I try and give them a rough idea/bullet points of what to include in their reviews (not ... More
It's not so much about changing their style but more about having the student make sentences that make sense, using the right word tense, or writing with a good sentence structure.

I'm struggling with giving enough guidance to help them see where they are going wrong without doing the whole thing for them. I use point form guidelines, but I will also take a sentence from the review, point out why it doesn't make sense, and give an example of my own that shows an alternate way that it can be written.

I feel like I'm giving an english lesson! It's rough on me bcs I really want this person to succeed and I feel like this person needs more than a mentor but actual writing lessons...If english is the students second language, then I can understand how hard it can be. However,I don't think it is the case with this one.

I get the whole thing about respecting their individuality. It is important and hard to do. You just want them to do so well and when you see their personality and it sort of deviates from the "norm" of what we would see in reviews...you kind of get worried that they won't get the appropriate vote.

Anyways thanks for the advice and support!
03/10/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Naughty Student
It's not so much about changing their style but more about having the student make sentences that make sense, using the right word tense, or writing with a good sentence structure.

I'm struggling with giving enough guidance to help ... More
This: I feel like I'm giving an english lesson! It's rough on me bcs I really want this person to succeed and I feel like this person needs more than a mentor but actual writing lessons..

I've actually asked for email addresses and corrected/helped with grammar in a Word Document and also gave them rules and resources for comma usage, "its vs it's," etc... This website I have bookmarked, I give out too. link There's other useful info on that page besides commas. But most people don't know how to use commas.
03/10/2011
Naughty Student Naughty Student
Quote:
Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
This: I feel like I'm giving an english lesson! It's rough on me bcs I really want this person to succeed and I feel like this person needs more than a mentor but actual writing lessons..

I've actually asked for email addresses and ... More
Ooouuuh! Great link. I bookmarked it also. Thanks for that. I think next time I'll check online for other resources also if needed.
03/10/2011
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