Mentors that need mentoring

SaraW0512 SaraW0512
Im really not trying to be hateful or disrespectful but I have a serious question. Is there not certain criteria that has to be met before becoming a mentor of newbies? I have read many reviews over the last month or so. Majority of them are perfect. However, there are a few that are absolutely hideous and I cannot understand what they are trying to say. Now I have seen that they are mentors, how is that?

Like I said, I'm not trying to be rude at all. Just don't understand how you could mentor someone when, in your own reviews, you turn a whole paragraph into one really long sentence. In EF years, I am still "wet behind the ears" lol but I know where a period belongs. Even the comments to these reviews have several questions and recommend the mentor aquire a mentor. I am far from being mentor material but I hope to be someday.

Does anyone else think this looks bad? It's going to be like a domino effect.... Sorry if I offended anyone.
06/29/2012
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kendra30752 kendra30752
Quote:
Originally posted by SaraW0512
Im really not trying to be hateful or disrespectful but I have a serious question. Is there not certain criteria that has to be met before becoming a mentor of newbies? I have read many reviews over the last month or so. Majority of them are perfect. ... More
As much as I hate to say this, it's true. I've seen the same and I've also seen where editors have left reviews a downright, unreadable mess--one just yesterday. Many of them publish reviews with big mistakes like the "I" not being capitalized, periods missing. I see editors publish reviews all the time where minor misspellings are there like where the words "then" and "than" are misused. It's the most common. While I do totally understand some mistakes here and there, especially when the person's review was totally filled with unreadable material to begin with, it's easy for the editor to miss small ones the second (or fifth) round when the person re-submitted. However, several mistakes in ONE review is uncalled for and well, we're called "editors" or "mentors" for a reason.

Since it takes next to nothing to become a mentor, that's the big reason why reviews get published way before they should be. I do agree that there should be more required of someone who applies for these programs. It would help weed out the ones who are only applying to get higher ranks, more points or whatever. There are some of us who truly love it. I'm a writer, writing is my job and my passion so I take editing, writing anything, and mentoring very seriously.

Honestly, the only thing you can do is rate these mentors/editors who are publishing reviews with many errors. I never like to give bad ratings, but in ones like I seen yesterday, I feel that it was absolutely necessary.
06/29/2012
Forum Moderator Forum Moderator
Hello! If you see a review which seems to be poorly edited, please send a message to Sammi and she will address the issue with the editor.

Mentors have to be approved by administration and if there is a mentor you feel is not upholding their end of the bargain, send an email to JR and he will address the issues with the mentor. Thank you!
06/29/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
Another issue is that sometimes a student REFUSES to listen to you. You can't fail them with a review still in 'limbo' (either submitted to them for revision or to you for suggestions) because then it gets stuck like that, which is really bad if it was an assignment. You can say 'break this into paragraphs' and send it back to them, and have them send it back to you with little or no changes. After doing this for months and them just sending it back, sometimes you have to publish it in order to fail them.

Or it could be that the mentor didn't read through the whole review. I know that sometimes I miss a section I already proof-read but the student added a few words that were incorrectly spelled or grammatically wrong at the last minute, and I only see them after I publish it. We all make little mess ups sometimes, but if it's a consistent issue with that mentor contact an admin.
06/29/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by Ryuson
Another issue is that sometimes a student REFUSES to listen to you. You can't fail them with a review still in 'limbo' (either submitted to them for revision or to you for suggestions) because then it gets stuck like that, which is really ... More
This is very true! I'll have students where I will make a list of over 50 questions I have from their reviews and they will answer a few of them. After sending it back so many times and them ignoring your comments, you have no choice but to publish and fail them.

Also, I would like to say that mentors are also editors. So, just because you read a review that was edited by a mentor, doesn't mean it was a mentored review. The system doesn't separate the two of them.
06/29/2012
SaraW0512 SaraW0512
Im not trying to cause an uproar at all. Just an observation. I have only seen one or two people's work this way. And it's not just a paragraph here or there...it's the entire review. I know the person(s) I'm talking about are mentors because I've seen their posts about their students in this forum.

I don't really pay attention to the "editor" part of the review, so I can't say anything about that. If an editor was presented with any of these reviews, they would be better off rewriting the whole thing opposed to fixing it.

I think mentors are fabulous!! In no way am I trying to insult any of you! Like I said before, majority of you are awesome! Maybe I am just see so many writing superb reviews, so I expect that from everybody.
06/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by SaraW0512
Im not trying to cause an uproar at all. Just an observation. I have only seen one or two people's work this way. And it's not just a paragraph here or there...it's the entire review. I know the person(s) I'm talking about are mentors ... More
QUOTE If an editor was presented with any of these reviews, they would be better off rewriting the whole thing opposed to fixing it. Editors can't rewrite someone elses review. The editor is DIFFERENT than a Mentor. An editor gets random reviews, is not assigned one person to work with, but pulls reviews to be edited off of a cue. If the review is completely unreadable, the editor should send the review to the Administrator. The editor doesn't get points for reviews sent to Admin, and although most will do it, a few don't. They also have the option of sending the review back to the reviewer. The problem with that is, often the reviewer never comes back to fix it, and the editor can't get any new reviews to edit while that one is in limbo.

I'm just answering for Editors, as I don't do Mentoring.

Mentors and Editor are completely different jobs with different expectations and different requirements.
06/29/2012
Petite Valentine Petite Valentine
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Originally posted by P'Gell
QUOTE If an editor was presented with any of these reviews, they would be better off rewriting the whole thing opposed to fixing it. Editors can't rewrite someone elses review. The editor is DIFFERENT than a Mentor. An editor gets random ... More
^THIS^

Editors are specifically told NOT to re-write reviews. Editors are actually proofreaders, "editor" is a misnomer. Mentors have different duties, but unfortunately the publishing system don't distinguish between the two.

If you've spotted something questionable, please send it to JR. Things can't improve if contributors don't speak up.
06/29/2012
js250 js250
Get ahold of administration--either Jr or Sammi--and let them know what is going on, it is the only way to fix the issue.
06/29/2012
SaraW0512 SaraW0512
I will send them a message, thanks for clarifying all of this for me
06/29/2012
mistre$$ mistre$$
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Originally posted by Forum Moderator
Hello! If you see a review which seems to be poorly edited, please send a message to Sammi and she will address the issue with the editor.

Mentors have to be approved by administration and if there is a mentor you feel is not upholding their ... More
Thank you for this info!
07/03/2012
Mikemanz Mikemanz
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Originally posted by kendra30752
As much as I hate to say this, it's true. I've seen the same and I've also seen where editors have left reviews a downright, unreadable mess--one just yesterday. Many of them publish reviews with big mistakes like the "I" not ... More
"...in ones like I seen yesterday...", really?

i may be new, but i know that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

jus' sayin'
07/17/2012
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