Question about students getting voted to advanced

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Question about students getting voted to advanced

Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
I don't think that this has been asked yet, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I just want to check.

I enjoy being a mentor but it is hard work so I appreciate the gift card we get once we are finished working with a student. I've had multiple reviewers recently become my students as non-advanced reviewers, but during the course of the class request to be voted to advanced and get voted in, so they're advanced before I actually get to graduate them. I'm guessing that when this happens, the mentor does not receive the gift card at the end? Can someone please clear this up? I'm a little confused because they were not advanced when they began the class, but my graduating them is not what's getting them to advanced.
11/19/2010
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Sir Sir
No, they don't receive the gift card, which is crappy. The student becomes Advanced at the end of the class anyway, which is why I don't understand why they go up for the voting during the class.

This basically means that it's rare that you're going to get a gift card, because most every student that I have seen has gone up for voting, even though they're a student.
11/19/2010
Alicia Alicia
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Originally posted by Sir
No, they don't receive the gift card, which is crappy. The student becomes Advanced at the end of the class anyway, which is why I don't understand why they go up for the voting during the class.

This basically means that it's rare ...
Yep this is what I have found too.
11/19/2010
Kindred Kindred
That seems unfair. Perhaps EF could somehow block a student from getting voted to Advanced status once they have entered into the Mentor program to prevent this.
11/19/2010
El-Jaro El-Jaro
This happened to me with my 2nd student. I was pretty upset too. Not that I didn't get a giftcard, but all the work seemed to be for naught.

I make it point now to tell new students that if they do this, I cancel the class immediately.
11/19/2010
SexyTabby SexyTabby
I realize I just got moved to advanced and I didn't go through the mentor program but honestly I don't think I would have even put in for advanced yet if I didn't get an email asking me too either apply or join the mentors program. Being new and still trying to figure out the programs and the site I choose to simply do a second review and apply for advanced - I simply am on my own schedule and wouldn't want someone looking for me when it isn't convenient. I never asked if it was a generic email. Maybe they applied for advanced during your mentor program because they too received a similar email after their first review was published? After looking at some of the people who are joining the advanced reviewers maybe there should be a higher limit of reviews accomplished or a block for mentor students? Looks like a bunch are joining on the second or third reviews. Course I could just be anal since I prefer to know everything before I get into something but I'm not really sure two reviews makes a person advanced...
11/19/2010
Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
It seems very silly that a student would not just wait to be graduated. The only reason I could find to excuse this is perhaps if their mentor was difficult to get ahold of or something. I went through the mentor process as a student and was lucky enough to have Alicia as a mentor. I graduated in a very short period of time.
I was unaware that she would receive a gc for helping me learn my way around, and helping me improve my reviewing skills. I am absolutely thrilled that she did.

Perhaps letting your students know that you will lose your reward for mentoring if they do this, they would stick around? Or if it is posted on the mentor program page? I imagine you would lose fewer students if they were aware of this. You guys are fantastic. I am glad you are here to help us beginners learn the ropes. I am glad you are being rewarded for it.
11/19/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
I have graduated 4 students and I've received 1 card, the first student I graduated! At least 2 were new students that even though I asked them NOT to apply for advanced status did it anyhow. I've just given up on the cards to be honest. I know I would do this even if the program didn't offer the cards so I just do my best to help out new contributers. It seems none of the new contributers will listen to what I'm telling them when they see a program they can sign up for I just bite my tongue and help them out. It's pretty rude but then again so is asking several mentors to accept them as students then not even writing the cancelled ones to either explain or appologise.
11/19/2010
El-Jaro El-Jaro
Going up for a vote or not doesn't bother me so much, it's when they request to be a student do a review, and then go about getting voted in. I don't think it's that hard to get 5 votes at all. There are a LOT of people on EdenFantasys, you could easily find 5 people who like your reviews.
11/19/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
Quote:
Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
It seems very silly that a student would not just wait to be graduated. The only reason I could find to excuse this is perhaps if their mentor was difficult to get ahold of or something. I went through the mentor process as a student and was lucky ...
It doesn't help, I've asked point blank only to see the next day that my student has applied for advanced anyhow.
11/19/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by SexyTabby
I realize I just got moved to advanced and I didn't go through the mentor program but honestly I don't think I would have even put in for advanced yet if I didn't get an email asking me too either apply or join the mentors program. Being ...
I've never heard of such an e-mail being sent out before. Has anyone else heard about this?
11/19/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
Quote:
Originally posted by El-Jaro
Going up for a vote or not doesn't bother me so much, it's when they request to be a student do a review, and then go about getting voted in. I don't think it's that hard to get 5 votes at all. There are a LOT of people on ...
Oh hell you have people voting in others just because they don't agree with our standards or just to "help" a new reviewer become advanced. There are enough of them that no one really needs the mentor program to get voted to advanced they use us to get their writing skills up so they get better toys. No one who signs up to be voted in doesn't get voted in.
11/19/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by El-Jaro
This happened to me with my 2nd student. I was pretty upset too. Not that I didn't get a giftcard, but all the work seemed to be for naught.

I make it point now to tell new students that if they do this, I cancel the class immediately.
I've only had one student become advanced from graduating the mentor program, all the rest either transitioned during or were already advanced - which I don't mind either. I don't mind putting in the work, but when I get three or four requests for class in a day, and have to select just one because of the limits and then they put in for advanced on their own, I feel the same way - like my work was disregarded. I suppose I could request that up front as well, it seems fair as long as it's put on the table from day one.
11/19/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by Airen Wolf
Oh hell you have people voting in others just because they don't agree with our standards or just to "help" a new reviewer become advanced. There are enough of them that no one really needs the mentor program to get voted to advanced ...
I also think a lot of the votes come from the newest advanced reviewers who have just been upgraded themselves. I'm not sure I agree with the whole voting up system as it is right now, but it's not up to me, and I understand that EF can't please every person, every time.
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
Yea its frustrating as fuck that it changed. It didn't used to be this way. I had students do this but would still get the giftcard in the end until maybe two months ago? It was the same amount of work for these types of students.

I take plenty of students who are already advanced because they want my opinion and are appreciative of hearing it. I don't mind at all because they go through quick and it makes total sense that I wouldn't get a giftcard. But the others are tough work!
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
Quote:
Originally posted by SexyTabby
I realize I just got moved to advanced and I didn't go through the mentor program but honestly I don't think I would have even put in for advanced yet if I didn't get an email asking me too either apply or join the mentors program. Being ...
"maybe there should be a higher limit of reviews accomplished or a block for mentor students?" Or a higher limit of votes. I agree. I have suggested both of these.
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
It doesn't help, I've asked point blank only to see the next day that my student has applied for advanced anyhow.
Wow that's shitty. All the ones I have asked have not.
11/19/2010
SexyTabby SexyTabby
Quote:
Originally posted by Tori Rebel
I also think a lot of the votes come from the newest advanced reviewers who have just been upgraded themselves. I'm not sure I agree with the whole voting up system as it is right now, but it's not up to me, and I understand that EF ...
I actually don't agree with it either which is weird probably coming from me or maybe I just don't understand it yet but seriously it appears not to be about doing good it's just about getting advanced I think. Not even sure what's overly different about it yet. I realize they get to ask for assignments and free stuff but still it seems it should be about bringing in awesome reviews so others can benefit from them. *shrugs* leaves before I put a foot in my mouth...
11/19/2010
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Airen Wolf
I have graduated 4 students and I've received 1 card, the first student I graduated! At least 2 were new students that even though I asked them NOT to apply for advanced status did it anyhow. I've just given up on the cards to be honest. I ...
You shouldn't give up on the gift cards. Being a mentor requires a lot of time and effort. Having gone through it myself, I appreciated everything my mentor did. You deserve that gift card, no apologies.
11/19/2010
Pleasure Piratess Pleasure Piratess
When I first joined the mentor program, it was just to improve my skills. I had no idea you guys got gift cards for helping students and you can imagine my surprise when I graduated and was automatically advanced. I don't think it says anything about that in the guidelines.... well, at least not the ones I read. I'm sure there are others who just don't know better as well, but that still doesn't excuse those who have been specifically asked not to apply??

I think the voting in process is not select enough anyway. We should just do away with it all together.
11/19/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
You shouldn't give up on the gift cards. Being a mentor requires a lot of time and effort. Having gone through it myself, I appreciated everything my mentor did. You deserve that gift card, no apologies.
I'm glad you said that. I thought I was thinking selfishly on this...I'm happy to help those who need and appreciate it, but it does require a lot of work and the gift card is a nice reward for it, and is part of the program for a reason.
11/19/2010
Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
Perhaps the voting should be restricted to mentors? It seems fair as the mentors seem to be the ones setting the standards for what qualifies as a quality review. I think you guys are doing a great job, I learned a lot in a short time. Maybe the voting should be abolished. It seems that the mentor program is the most effective way to ensure that only qualified people are getting through to advanced status.

If a person not willing to put in the time and effort it takes to make it through the program, I don't see why they should advance. It seems counter intuitive. It took me less than 2 weeks to make it through the program because I already had products that I could review. If a person wants to advance at a faster pace, maybe they should invest in a second product to add to their order. This way they can complete the necessary work without having to wait the full month in order to apply for a second sponsored item.
11/19/2010
Kindred Kindred
Qualifications to become an Advanced reviewer is a recurrent topic on the forums. I think this is the most recent. There are a lot of good points discussed. link
11/19/2010
Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
That is a great thread
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by SexyTabby
I actually don't agree with it either which is weird probably coming from me or maybe I just don't understand it yet but seriously it appears not to be about doing good it's just about getting advanced I think. Not even sure what's ...
I appreciate the driven new reviewers like you!
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
Quote:
Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
Perhaps the voting should be restricted to mentors? It seems fair as the mentors seem to be the ones setting the standards for what qualifies as a quality review. I think you guys are doing a great job, I learned a lot in a short time. Maybe the ...
I could see how this makes sense, but not everyone can be a mentor and others should have their say as well.I then could see it being more fair if you included graduated students...but then again not everyone has to go through the mentor program to be a good reviewer and not all of them come out much better...so I see your logic, but it isn't fair to a lot of people.

And the doing away with voting and implementing or changing it might work, but the solution cannot be to ask everyone to go through the mentor program because there are only a select number of us and that would be a lot of work. I thought of this too. It was shot down and I totally see why.

Students don't have to wait a full month to get their next assignment actually. They can get it as soon as they finish their first one.

I wish there was a little bit more incentive for students to do the mentor program even if it was just a similar number next to their name in a square instead of a circle to signify how many classes they have graduated and it show up on their page similar to what the mentors have. Something small like that.
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by Kindred
Qualifications to become an Advanced reviewer is a recurrent topic on the forums. I think this is the most recent. There are a lot of good points discussed. link ...
Ugh thanks for finding that. I am far too tired this morning.
11/19/2010
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I could see how this makes sense, but not everyone can be a mentor and others should have their say as well.I then could see it being more fair if you included graduated students...but then again not everyone has to go through the mentor program to ...
Lauren, you've probably graduated more students than any of us...do you see this problem with students being voted up DURING class a lot? Do you have anything you do to avoid it?
11/19/2010
Alicia Alicia
Quote:
Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
I could see how this makes sense, but not everyone can be a mentor and others should have their say as well.I then could see it being more fair if you included graduated students...but then again not everyone has to go through the mentor program to ...
Hmm I didn't know that they could do it as soon as they finish their first one, good to know!
11/19/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
Quote:
Originally posted by Tori Rebel
Lauren, you've probably graduated more students than any of us...do you see this problem with students being voted up DURING class a lot? Do you have anything you do to avoid it?
Why yes I have lol. For the volume of students that I have had, it sounds like I have not seen it as much as some of you who have reviewed less.

October especially was a bad month which is when I believe the system was changed somehow intentionally or non-intentionally to not allow GCs for students who went up for voting in the middle of a class. I got super frustrated with it because of all the work I put into being a mentor. So this month I started explaining the program to my students and asking them to not short cut. I explain the hard work we do as mentors and that if they put in the work too it will reap rewards. So far every single one has respected that. I think it has been about 6? Not all of them are done with class as of yet though.

I have even had other students from other mentors ask me how they get to advanced while they were in someones class as if they had no clue that they would become advanced from graduating. So be sure to explain that, because it apparently is not getting communicated as someone mentioned they didn't remember seeing that in the guidelines. None of the mentors here had students who came and asked me btw lol. But maybe that would help...explain that right off the bat in the first message you send them, like I have been doing recently.
11/19/2010
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