#Announcement - Changes to the Review Program pt.02 (a brief update)

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#Announcement - Changes to the Review Program pt.02 (a brief update)

AzureStroke AzureStroke
Excited for this to take effect! Thanks for the updates.
04/05/2013
BG529 BG529
Thanks for the Update sounds good
04/05/2013
butts butts
These all sound like great changes! Thanks for the update!
04/05/2013
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by eri86
How will the review levels affect graduating from the mentor program? And will the new review system reset anything?
The mentor program shouldn't be affected very much. I think we might even give all new students their first assignment (don't quote me on that) and then for any other reviews required for them to graduate 2+ they will either need to review something they already own or do a buyout.

There are no plans at all to reset, as in rank, history, review records, etc etc
04/08/2013
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Sir
Does this mean that requests will no longer be free ever again? No more one free a month (which I haven't gotten in probably about a year anyway)? I've been so out of touch.
That is what it means, the current 'Free Assignment' will be totally replaced with the new updated 'Buyout Assignment'
04/08/2013
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by DolphinGirl
What sort of buyout percentage(s) are you guys thinking of?
I don't want to say just yet until it's FINAL. I would hate to share a number and then have it be less than that. I think you will all be very happy with the discounts, and the points for review changes though.
04/08/2013
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Sangsara
So let me get this straight eventually ( other than the descriptive review program) we will ONLY be doing buyouts and there will be absolutely no free shipping or shipping discounts to Canada?
To the best of my knowledge in the foreseeable future, yes. Only buyout assignments.

Shipping to Canada... I can't really speak to the future plans here as I am not involved with this aspect (beyond what is our current policy). I will say that if shipping to Canada becomes easier and cheaper, or there is a program or carrier opportunity to provide better service, I am sure these possibilities would be explored should they rise.
04/08/2013
indiglo indiglo
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Originally posted by Gary
I don't want to say just yet until it's FINAL. I would hate to share a number and then have it be less than that. I think you will all be very happy with the discounts, and the points for review changes though.
Ack!! The waiting is soooo hard!!!
04/09/2013
Allison.Wilder Allison.Wilder
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Originally posted by indiglo
Ack!! The waiting is soooo hard!!!
I agree! Is it Friday yet?
04/09/2013
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
It all sounds great overall, but we are a bit concerned with the fact that the review program (and benefits) will still be based on ranks. To quote: "These levels will be earned by achieving a minimum rank, submitting a minimum # of reviews, and being a contributor for a minimum period of time."

We have been here for almost 5 years and, as we all know, rank is heavily influenced by the number of reviews written. Please keep that in mind as you read.
What we have seen happen is that most people come into Eden pumped up and excited, spitting out loads of reviews, good or bad. We have even seen Eden assign extra free items to our students while they were still in Mentor class, above and beyond the 2 they were given in class. Most of them have been assigned several more in short order after they graduated (like, in less than a month's time.) Even without extra freebies, that initial writing rush pushes most of the newest members higher in rank faster than the others, regardless of the quality of their reviews.

Then, based on the current way that rank is calculated, a year later those no-longer-new reviewers will fall, unless they can keep writing at that same frantic pace to keep their numbers consistent. That is the worst part, because after that amount of time on Eden the people who aren't dedicated to writing good reviews tend to go away, and the ones who stay have refined their technique enough to be really good. And yet some of the newest reviewers on board will outrank them within a few months.

Now, for those of you who are saying "Yeah but it's not just the number of reviews, it's how people vote on them too." think of this:
If you submit one review today that gets 10 "Good" votes, you're still not going to be able to keep up in rank with the person who submits 10 reviews today that gets 2 "Good" votes each. And yes, in our time as Editors we did see some people submitting 10 reviews a day.

Unless there are plans to not weight a reviewer's rank using the current system, a lot of the seasoned reviewers will quickly be at the bottom of the new system's benefits barrel. It just bums us out because we've already seen too many great reviewers (and forum contributors) leave out of frustration.
04/11/2013
LilVBWifey LilVBWifey
Thanks for the update! Sounds like it will make things run alot more smooth
04/11/2013
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
It all sounds great overall, but we are a bit concerned with the fact that the review program (and benefits) will still be based on ranks. To quote: "These levels will be earned by achieving a minimum rank, submitting a minimum # of reviews, and ...
I have to agree with Alan and Michelle. Many of the seasoned reviewers have dropped in rank, due to many reasons. One being new reviewers, as they said pumped up and writing multiple reviews a day.

So many of us who have been here a long time no longer pump out a review a day or even a review a week, so our rank drops precipitously.

I hope our past work, number of EU votes, participation on the board in significant issues and time here does count for a lot.

I feel bad that I haven't written a review in months. An illness plus my return to work outside the home (in addition to my home business) has caused me not be able to write many reviews at all. I think also, the 50 pts for writing a review played a small part in thinking, "Oh, well..." when it came to writing. Add writer's block and you have a scenario for dropping rank, despite being a dedicated Eden user and participant for years.

It looks like things other than number of reviews will be a bigger part of our rank, and I think this is for the better. It doesn't take much to crank out half a dozen mediocre (or worse) reviews a day (or even a week,) and I think the fact that a few have had meteoric rises in rank due to this behavior have effected those of us who refuse to put out less than near perfect reviews. In fact, I know this contributed to my own writer's block. OK, I may sound like I'm whining.

But, I am looking forward to rank being more than just cranking out volume. It looks good if this is the case.
04/11/2013
Gary Gary
As we move forward, rank is less and less of a factor.

It is a difficult subject. The ranking system was in place before I got here, so it is a long standing part of the community structure. On the other hand, the system is so scientific and logical (which is fine) but that seems a disconnect for the activities it rates. Plus it can be inflated by people being more active. (I have never been a fan of the system - but what would work better?)
04/11/2013
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by Gary
As we move forward, rank is less and less of a factor.

It is a difficult subject. The ranking system was in place before I got here, so it is a long standing part of the community structure. On the other hand, the system is so scientific and ...
You're right, it is a difficult subject. Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical (ignore this if it was), maybe putting the ranking system itself into tiers based on time in the community would help. For example, in the Activity Factor section, writing reviews makes up 28% of the calculation yet every other factor only accounts for 2% (with the exception of the 4% for writing follow ups). Maybe for newcomers "Writing reviews" shouldn't carry so much influence at first, yet could rise over time.

On the wilder end of the spectrum, rankings could be ditched in favor of a 2-tier system; one for very new members, and one for established. The new members would work up to the benefits that the established ones had earned simply by being involved for a set amount of time, because let's face it the people who write very few reviews but are otherwise active in the community are valuable too. Everyone would be on a more level ground. That would all but eliminate several of the current issues.

Just thinking out loud
04/11/2013
PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
You're right, it is a difficult subject. Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical (ignore this if it was), maybe putting the ranking system itself into tiers based on time in the community would help. For example, in the Activity Factor ...
Thanks guys for pointing that out about "The people who write very few reviews being active as well". I don't know how many times I have mentioned I don't have privacy like that to push out reviews every day but even though I do reviews here and there I am doing them it is not like I am not. I really don't care about my ranking it has been the same for a month and a half now and this is even after I wrote like 3 reviews last month. But I am still on here doing things around the site as well.
04/11/2013
indiglo indiglo
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
You're right, it is a difficult subject. Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical (ignore this if it was), maybe putting the ranking system itself into tiers based on time in the community would help. For example, in the Activity Factor ...
I really like both those ideas. I think "pro-rating" the ranking system like that based on how long someone has been active might be a really equitable way to cover that issue. It could be broken into several different brackets - those here 1 month, those here 1-3 months, those here 3-6 months, those here 6-9 months, those here 9-12 months, etc.

Or just having 2 tiers (or maybe even 3 or 4 tiers) would perhaps be more equitable. And would be more likely to prevent "rank inflation" by churning out a ton of mediocre (or worse) reviews.

Good brain storms! I'll try to come up with some brain storms as well, now that it's a topic, but not sure I'll come up with anything I like as much as either of these ideas.
04/11/2013
Munko Munko
I think too, capping the ranks/levels (whatever it would end up being) so one couldn't then fall back down after achieving a level would be a good idea. Less of a community influence and more based on individual contribution and performance. This of course, is only if a similar formula for creating ranks is kept. Maybe allow influence between those within the same rank 5.1-5.9 say, but once you hit 6, you can't then return to 5.
04/11/2013
PassionQT PassionQT
Just catching up on everything as I've been a little out of the loop. All the suggested changes seem fair; EF has always been very generous and I understand the reasons for all the changes.
04/12/2013
FieryRed FieryRed
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Originally posted by Munko
I think too, capping the ranks/levels (whatever it would end up being) so one couldn't then fall back down after achieving a level would be a good idea. Less of a community influence and more based on individual contribution and performance. This ...
I was thinking something similar. If a person contributes hugely for a while, then has some life changes that cause a drop in contribution frequency, that doesn't take away all that they've already contributed.

On the other hand, if someone starts publishing much lower-quality reviews, that would obviously merit some sort of ranking change. Hmmm.
04/12/2013
mjtheprincess mjtheprincess
Hey, just searching for an update. Do we have any idea when these changes are going into effect yet? Soon I hope???
04/13/2013
Ryuson Ryuson
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Originally posted by Munko
I think too, capping the ranks/levels (whatever it would end up being) so one couldn't then fall back down after achieving a level would be a good idea. Less of a community influence and more based on individual contribution and performance. This ...
I was thinking that this would be good for a time frame. Like if you're active but your ranking drops, your ranking will stay 'capped,' but if you're not online for several months the cap will go away. Otherwise we'd bet a ton of people who are no longer on the site, have been banned, etc. staying at the top of the list.

It seems complicated, but like a good idea!
04/14/2013
charmedtomeetyou charmedtomeetyou
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Originally posted by mjtheprincess
Hey, just searching for an update. Do we have any idea when these changes are going into effect yet? Soon I hope???
I keep checking back too to find out the big "when"!
04/14/2013
geliebt geliebt
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Originally posted by charmedtomeetyou
I keep checking back too to find out the big "when"!
I'm antsy to see it too!!
04/15/2013
OpenMindedInOhio OpenMindedInOhio
When I started with Edenfantasys, the system was much more rewarding and the incentives were great. Once I hit my "pick anything you want" status, the rules changed. Then, it changed again, and the point/rank system started. I am obviously not understanding or missing something.

There will be no more "free" items to choose, only a discount on purchasing, is that correct? I've tried twice lately to request an assignment, and both times they were cancelled. Is this due to the upcoming program changes, and if so, I think it would have been nice for an email notification to explain why, instead of me wondering what has happened.
04/15/2013
FieryRed FieryRed
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Originally posted by Ryuson
I was thinking that this would be good for a time frame. Like if you're active but your ranking drops, your ranking will stay 'capped,' but if you're not online for several months the cap will go away. Otherwise we'd bet a ton of ...
I would think if someone is banned permanently from the site, all of their points and rank would be revoked.
04/15/2013
SydVicious SydVicious
I have to say I just going to place an order with a $100 total and was shocked to see that I didn't get free shipping to my APO address. I always appreciated the free shipping to APO and I don't understand how it costs Eden more to ship to me than it does to any other continental US address. I would however understand a higher price point for free shipping. Say, $50 or $75 purchase to receive the free shipping instead of the normal $35 requirement.
04/15/2013
Ryuson Ryuson
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Originally posted by OpenMindedInOhio
When I started with Edenfantasys, the system was much more rewarding and the incentives were great. Once I hit my "pick anything you want" status, the rules changed. Then, it changed again, and the point/rank system started. I am ...
I don't think that your assignment got rejected because of the program change. Often items get 30+ requests on them, especially if they look really cool, and at most only 3 people can get approved for it. The admins tend to go off of a combination of who requested it first, their ranking, and how long it's been since the person got an assignment, so if a high ranking contributor jumped on it right away they may pick them over you. Don't give up hope!
04/15/2013
Cinnyree Cinnyree
as long as I have an administer to direct questions to, I am perfectly fine with any changes you make
04/15/2013
Ms. Paprika Ms. Paprika
It's too bad about the shipping, but the 3 ranks system sounds good since it'll give us all an incentive to keep writing reviews. Hope there are more free shipping coupons in the future!
04/16/2013
LuckyLady LuckyLady
Any update on the changes yet?
04/28/2013
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