How do you feel about the "Point proposal"?

Woman China Woman China
While I was sleeping it seems as if grand changes have yet again occurred and no one on this side of the planet was able to contribute anything to the discussion.
06/23/2013
Woman China Woman China
Not to mention, when I sometimes open the new section and I see that Jopen just came ut with three new vibes, and fun factory came out with a bunch of toys in the same colour.... I do want them all so wish list them all in a short period of time. Is this really point farming or just massive excitement at new stock?
06/23/2013
misskat misskat
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Originally posted by SMichelle
I haven't read through this thread yet, but I am reading through the locked one now and I have so many comments...

The main one going through my head right now? The reviews for free promotional items, for instance...

MANY people ... More
This is my main concern too-- I have written reviews on a lot of the promotional items I have received simply because I had them and thought I would give my opinion on them. I did this when reviews were worth 50 points, so I hope it isn't a problem or considered "farming" that I continued to do so after they were worth more-- I was just trying to contribute to the community.
06/23/2013
Woman China Woman China
Or what about writing reviews on discontinued items? Is that point farming too? I did post about it in the forums asking for suggestions before I went ahead and posted my reviews. It had always been EF's admins stance to write reviews even on discontinued items as it might help someone. If this is not the case, let us know.

I think the biggest problem with the community is the utter lack of communication. Changes happen so quickly no one knows where they stand. Not to mention, changes happen, yet are so vague but all people who answer questions disappear. Or refuse to answer questions by multiple members.
06/23/2013
Hot'n'Bothered Hot'n'Bothered
I'm not on here often anymore.

All I can say is, tonight is the first time I've logged on in quite a while, and I'm horribly confused.
06/23/2013
Pixel Pixel
""5. If your request will be denied and you will publicly accuse Company, Company reserves the rights to publicly disclose its findings, including your personal information, to substantiate its decision."

So, if I apply for my points to be honoured, and you decide I am a point farmer, and I complain about it, you will post my personal information in public? Wow. Disgusting.
06/23/2013
WhirlingStars WhirlingStars
Seriously though he is mad that people wrote reviews on the wipes, cock ring, and the damn bag? Why did he even let people review those items if he didn't want us to? I can bet most of us have written reviews on those to reach that amount of points for that toy you've been lusting after. He's punishing us for doing what he has allowed us to do! This whole thing is messed up. And for being active in the community he's being real bratty about that as well. Geez he needs to chill out and really look at the situation he's in.
06/23/2013
Intrepid Niddering Intrepid Niddering
I -liked- the reviews on the free items, because it let me decide what I would get. When the bag became available, I considered getting one instead of the wipes. After I read the reviews, though, I decided, nope, I'd stick with wipes. He may think they're "pointless," but they have their place. -Also-, it's not like those products are -only- free. People can still buy them, so what if someone wanted to buy it, but wanted some reviews on them first?
06/23/2013
SMichelle SMichelle
Regarding your 1--
Yes.
Remember, they changed it so that points cannot be used in full just after amnesty week ended...
06/23/2013
a whole lot of birds. a whole lot of birds.
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Originally posted by SMichelle
Regarding your 1--
Yes.
Remember, they changed it so that points cannot be used in full just after amnesty week ended...
regarding your response to that person who is not me #1--

i dont think they have the money to give a majority of people giftcards. it will prob be just a few people.

i am sure that is what that person was trying to get at.
06/23/2013
Aishiteru Aishiteru
I haven't gone through the effort of seeing if my points would go against that criteria that Fred laid out, but I think they would. Getting the max number of points for posting in the forums and rating reviews is easy and I thought it was encouraged. I've often posted over the max in the forums. Then liking is advertising for EF. And I was locked out of my account and suspended from earning points for a month for being accused of point farming, although I didn't do any of the things that are listed in the EOC. I was surprised to recently find out that ProppertyOfPotter was too and that Beck and Kira were banned. I've also posted in those counting threads because they sometimes seem fun, and I figured that if they were against the rules they would be deleted. I've never seen any of them deleted or heard anyone say that it's wrong to post in them. They're just as pointless as the ones that are like, "do you like mayonnaise? yes or no?" but I haven't even seen those removed.

It's ridiculous that that thread was closed so quickly; I missed out on getting to post to it. I'm starting to wonder why I'm wasting my time here when I could be doing something more constructive like reading a book or get real compensation for my time that I can spend wherever I like, on whatever I want.
06/23/2013
PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
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Originally posted by Aishiteru
I haven't gone through the effort of seeing if my points would go against that criteria that Fred laid out, but I think they would. Getting the max number of points for posting in the forums and rating reviews is easy and I thought it was ... More
Trust me, I was equally surprised, but very afraid that I would instantly be banned if I stuck up for myself. Your surprise makes me feel that much better because I feel that you (and hopefully others) have recognized that I'm a valued contributor and did nothing to deserve what happened. The more that people are speaking out, the more surprising it is in the number of contributors who've been through this points ban. I'm sorry to hear you were also suspended, and hope things work out for you from now on.
06/23/2013
edeneve edeneve
there are certainly more effective ways to bring about change w/o losing reputation & loyalty while garnering such hostility that has been made so public to many sites.
06/23/2013
babybean babybean
So is it even worth trying to fill in the form? Are we all just plain doomed?
06/23/2013
PeppermintFuntimes PeppermintFuntimes
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Originally posted by babybean
So is it even worth trying to fill in the form? Are we all just plain doomed?
It seems like it to me. I'm afraid of doing anything on the site nowadays. I'll just go back to shopping at a brick and mortar store nearby or on another site that doesn't treat its customers like citizens they desperately need to oppress in order to make money.

-sad, but leaving Eden because of the hostile ownership.
06/23/2013
a whole lot of birds. a whole lot of birds.
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Originally posted by PeppermintFuntimes
It seems like it to me. I'm afraid of doing anything on the site nowadays. I'll just go back to shopping at a brick and mortar store nearby or on another site that doesn't treat its customers like citizens they desperately need to oppress ... More
same gurl same. i feel like i really have to watch what i say around here.
06/23/2013
babybean babybean
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Originally posted by PeppermintFuntimes
It seems like it to me. I'm afraid of doing anything on the site nowadays. I'll just go back to shopping at a brick and mortar store nearby or on another site that doesn't treat its customers like citizens they desperately need to oppress ... More
Yeah. I really try staying faithful to Eden for sweet customer service and points but now it sort of feels like walking on eggshells.
06/23/2013
Dangerous Lilly Dangerous Lilly
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Originally posted by Woman China
Not to mention, when I sometimes open the new section and I see that Jopen just came ut with three new vibes, and fun factory came out with a bunch of toys in the same colour.... I do want them all so wish list them all in a short period of time. Is ... More
You do NOT want the Envy vibes. All three of mine are defective.
06/23/2013
No-nita No-nita
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Originally posted by babybean
So is it even worth trying to fill in the form? Are we all just plain doomed?
If you're one of the people who takes the stance that you either get your points as they were originally intended or you're done with EF, then you have nothing to lose by filling out the form! You'll either get approved and be able to spend your points, or declined and... go shop somewhere else.

If you are sticking with EF and are cool with the 15% change, then... in that case, I don't know if it would be worth it. If you intend to keep ordering from EF in the future, knowing that (even if you do get approved for using your previously earned points all at once) you can only use 15% of your points, the possibility of being declined as an "abuser" and having all your points deleted is kind of a gamble...

Side note, all my reviews are "unpublished", yet I can see them from my dashboard. My ranking, which was 5.3 last I checked, is now nowhere to be found. Interesting to see how EF will judge my case when they can't see any of my reviews or customers' comments on them...
06/23/2013
edeneve edeneve
I'm really confused what it is EF is wanting to develop. there's been so much conflicting info. presented & no overall clarification provide. this is what we need - real specific clarification.
06/23/2013
VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
I want to know where the Hell people were when the abuse began and why they ignored it. See? This is what happens when you ignore people telling you that there is abuse going on. I remember NUMEROUS threads of old contributors trying to get through to the admins and Fred that there was a lot of abuse going on and plagiarized reviews. No one did ANYTHING about it. Now, EF is in financial crisis and everyone suddenly cares about the gobs of free money given away to people who abused the system? Pff.
06/23/2013
VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
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Originally posted by voenne
I'm writing up a point reconsideration request, because I don't see there being any changes at this point. I'm upset that Fred said that a final decision would not be made without a consensus, but it seems he's taken that back, too. ... More
Are points really that important to you that you would risk them releasing your personal information if you break the contract?
06/23/2013
Pixelatedtoys Pixelatedtoys
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Originally posted by Pixel
""5. If your request will be denied and you will publicly accuse Company, Company reserves the rights to publicly disclose its findings, including your personal information, to substantiate its decision."

So, if I apply for my ... More
Wow. I was just banned from posting on the forums for this post. That's really shitty. Especially since Airen (you remember. She told another forum member to 'go die') hasn't had their posting privileges removed.

I'm so sorry that you were offended that I referred to y'all threatening to PUBLICLY SHARE customer information disgusting. Next time I'll just tell someone to go die. That's far less offensive.

-Pixel
06/23/2013
a whole lot of birds. a whole lot of birds.
more thoughts: the points proposal makes me uncomfortable because everyone is being treated guilty until proven innocent.

even more thoughts: i kind of feel damned if i do and damned if i do not
06/24/2013
babybean babybean
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Originally posted by a whole lot of birds.
more thoughts: the points proposal makes me uncomfortable because everyone is being treated guilty until proven innocent.

even more thoughts: i kind of feel damned if i do and damned if i do not
Agreed.
06/24/2013
edeneve edeneve
it got closed befor I could read all the posts & then make any comments. I had some worthy comments to consider too.
06/24/2013
bayosgirl bayosgirl
It's worth a try. I know in my heart I did not participate in any "point farming", so what have I got to lose?
06/24/2013
KaraSutra KaraSutra
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Originally posted by Pixelatedtoys
Wow. I was just banned from posting on the forums for this post. That's really shitty. Especially since Airen (you remember. She told another forum member to 'go die') hasn't had their posting privileges removed.

I'm ... More
This just made my evening. I bow to you.
06/24/2013
Woman China Woman China
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Originally posted by VieuxCarre
I want to know where the Hell people were when the abuse began and why they ignored it. See? This is what happens when you ignore people telling you that there is abuse going on. I remember NUMEROUS threads of old contributors trying to get ... More
Or told not to talk about point farming in the forums as it would seem a negative community an unwelcoming to new members. I remember members receiving private messages, I remember the former/ current admin staff in the forums closing topics, deleting posts/threads because members talked abuot point farming and spam/useless comments.

So. As far as I can tell, members have wanted to do away with all the inane comments and ridiculous posts, but it was deemed, 'unwelcoming' and 'negative community atmosphere' by the people you out in place to run the chicken coup. And you blame us for an abuse of something you allowed to happen.

Seems as if we are being punished for something that has been brought up multiple times by commuity members and all of us were shot down by management.
06/24/2013
Trysexual Trysexual
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Originally posted by a whole lot of birds.
more thoughts: the points proposal makes me uncomfortable because everyone is being treated guilty until proven innocent.

even more thoughts: i kind of feel damned if i do and damned if i do not
Exactly
06/24/2013
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