Rank System Proposal

Sleeping Dreamer Sleeping Dreamer
If it's reviewers rating reviewers they shouldn't know who exactly they're reviewing. Just give them the review without telling them who the author is. That way Eden's doesn't have to extend their staff into putting more work and effort into the review program by having to rate each review posted by hand. I'd be fine rating reviews but I wouldn't want to know who the author is. As well as those rating the reviewers by giving them low marks they could also play favorites by giving them high marks.

It all just seems so complicated to me, it used to be much easier.. write your reviews, get customer feedback and that was the end of it. There's too much focus on ranking but I understand, we want to feel validated for the effort we put into the program. I just want my reviews to be easily accessible to customers, it seems like the buck stops after the first page. When your rating decreases so that you're pushed to the 3rd, 4th, 10th, etc page you don't get the view count you used to and it's certainly unfortunate.
09/12/2008
Maria Maria
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Originally posted by Sleeping Dreamer
If it's reviewers rating reviewers they shouldn't know who exactly they're reviewing. Just give them the review without telling them who the author is. That way Eden's doesn't have to extend their staff into putting more work and effort into the ... More
Actually, your suggestion is a lot easier to implement than mine. It's a lot easier to rate reviews objectively when you have no idea who wrote it.
09/12/2008
Bulma Bulma
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Originally posted by Dragon
There are different types of activity that interest people. Currently activity includes "if" you leave a comment. A difference between "if you read a review." In my mind a well written review leads room for few comments. I may have a question or ... More
So you don't believe that activity being shown is helpful to shoppers? Didn't I say "even if it isn't calculated into the rank”? It makes a big difference to me whom I ask questions to if I know they frequent the site more than once per month, otherwise what's the point in even asking someone who won't respond? For having a "real" life, you seem to be spending a lot of time on here. I honestly don't see what's so different about you posting so heavily in the forums and leaving short helpful comments on reviews. I also don't see the community aspect dying off as a good thing.

"Bulma, if a handful of people had to actually vote for me to review- I might never make it. Except for the forum, I have NO idea who pays attention to my reviews. Nor do I care." If people commented on your reviews, wouldn’t you know they had read it? I wasn't talking about reviewing, and I have no idea where you got that from. I said that the panel of "judges" should either remain completely and totally anonymous, or else the contributors should be able to vote for whom they want on that panel. I suggested nominating people to be considered for the contributors to vote on, and that means that Eden would comb the selected nominees and remove people whom should not be included on the list. How would that make it a popularity contest? Isn’t it the right of every American to vote? Will you refuse to vote for president because it is a popularity contest? Even voting for which flavor of pop you like best could be claimed to be a popularity contest.

Why are you so upset and haughty over the whole issue, if you don't care who reads your reviews or about your ranking? You were the one stating that the current system was unfair because you have such a busy life and didn't have time to leave comments. Will you have time for rating reviews, when you don't have time to comment currently? Will you be changing something in your life to give this a higher priority than it had before? I don't see how it matters what it is, if you don't have time than you simply don't have time, unless you were being overly dramatic in stating that you have a "real" life and commenting takes up too much time?

I am sorry, but I would not be comfortable with you sitting on the panel due to the "my way, or the highway" attitude that has been displayed throughout this entire discussion. The good 'ol cluster fucking that has been given to these discussions has really turned me off, and I have an inkling that I'm not the only one who is sick of it. I think it's about time someone stood up and stated that these threads were created for feedback from everyone, not just you. Is it your place to try and discredit and argue with everyone who does not share the same ideas that you do? You are responding to nearly every post from other people!! This thread wasn't created by you or for you. This is a place for EVERYONE to state their ideas, and people are bound to disagree. That does not, however, give you privilege to plow others beneath you. This wasn't supposed to be a debate; it was for feedback from the contributors. Notice how many people aren't bothering to come back and comment anymore? I mean honestly, what's the point? Why should Eden give any heed to these threads? I think at this point, they should just discount all the feedback that has been given to date, and not even ask us for ideas or suggestions. They should do it how they see fit, and not even ask us, if this is what it produces. Saying the discussion had become "heated" was putting it very politely, albeit a gross understatement.

Nobody wants to escalate the argument or piss you off, but I frankly don't care anymore. Your suggestions and comments are no better than anyone else's. You tout yourself as if a highly educated scholar, and it is blatantly obvious that you think your writing is "better" than everyone else’s writing. I have enjoyed your reviews, and I do think your writing is very good, BUT it’s not better than the writing of many other talented reviewers on here.

I just want the bickering and bad attitudes to stop, and for there to be room for everyone’s ideas and feedback. I realize this post will cause me to be flamed, but I think someone needed to say it. Everyone deserves a voice. You gave your opinion, so let others give theirs. You are not the only one who feels passionately about the ranking system, but I fear the community will become lost. I joined because I loved the idea that the helpful community represented. I don’t want to see the community forsook because a very small group of people don’t like it or don’t have time for it. I am fast losing enthusiasm for the program because people are already drifting away. Once the community is gone, then I will leave too. Without the strong, supportive community, this site will become like all the others…just one more online sex toy store. I agree to disagree, but I refuse to become filled with anger and resentment over this. I said what I came here to say, and I’m hoping you will consider it with a sincere and peaceful heart. I just want everyone to be heard and considered.

Sorry for the incredibly long post and an additional and sincere apology for upsetting anyone…I am now done.
09/12/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Bulma
So you don't believe that activity being shown is helpful to shoppers? Didn't I say "even if it isn't calculated into the rank”? It makes a big difference to me whom I ask questions to if I know they frequent the site more than once per month, ... More
You missed my post where I suggested an "activity rating" and why it was useful.

Yes, I know who comments on my reviews. Knowledge of who "comments on your individual reviews" does not necessarily provide an knowledge of an ideal group of individuals for a review panel.

"Upset and Haughty" ? I don't believe that my ideas are better than anyone else's. Nor do I feel that I have more of a voice with Eden than you do. This is a forum. I actually believe it is the discussion itself that benefits everyone. Many useful ideas have been presented here. Unfortunately, it also means that ideas will be presented that you may disagree with.
09/12/2008
Epiphora Epiphora
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Originally posted by Bulma
So you don't believe that activity being shown is helpful to shoppers? Didn't I say "even if it isn't calculated into the rank”? It makes a big difference to me whom I ask questions to if I know they frequent the site more than once per month, ... More
Exactly.
09/12/2008
Dragon Dragon
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Originally posted by Epiphora
Exactly.
Exactly what?

If people want me off this forum- I'll bow out. But make it clear.
09/12/2008
Maria Maria
There's been numerous people posting multiple times on this thread and the other threads. I don't think that any one person is being more pushy than another person, and I think that making the discussion personal about specific reviewers isn't conducive to productive conversation.

The floor is open for us to contribute our ideas in order to make Eden work better--let's get our ideas out there, and then work on compromises instead of in-fighting.
09/12/2008
Epiphora Epiphora
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Originally posted by Dragon
Exactly what?If people want me off this forum- I'll bow out. But make it clear.
Well, Bulma said a lot that I agree with. Rather than add more negative commentary to this thread, I thought I would just say that to show that I agree with her stance, especially "I just want the bickering and bad attitudes to stop." I wasn't directing it toward you, or telling you to leave.

I would venture to guess that we will be getting rank and activity back -- as separate entities -- and I hope that is the case because it seems like the only way that everyone can be happy.
09/13/2008
MaxD MaxD
I like the proposed ranking system that the program manager suggested. This thread looks to me like it has turned into celebrity death match, while I find that very annoying, I will volunteer to be the referee! Not everybody is going to like each other people,thats what makes us individuals. If we were all the same this world would be very boring!! So get over yourselves so everybody can feel free to voice their opinions.
09/13/2008
Program Manager Program Manager
Thanks everyone, for the ideas and input. I'm sorry to have introduced such a dramatic topic to the forum, but it has been helpful. We're moving into development stage for a new ranking system, so feel free to move on from this discussion now.
09/15/2008
His scarlett His scarlett
thanks for all the work you are putting into sorting this out - this proposal sounds great to me
09/16/2008
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