Review Ratings

darthkitt3n darthkitt3n
I have noticed something somewhat irritating when I go to rate reviews. There is always that one person who votes somewhat useful or below on a review that has a ton of ratings of extremely useful. Is there anything that can be done about users continually downvoting reviews?

BTW, I am not complaining about my own reviews at all. This is something I have noticed on other contributors reviews.
12/03/2010
Kindred Kindred
I think if the author of the review suspects that the downvote is retaliation of some sort, they can submit a ticket and have it investigated. However, one low vote will have no impact on the overall rating of the review. It's an area you have to be really careful in because everyone is entitled to their own opinion without having to justify it. If it becomes a big deal, people will be afraid to vote honestly. Perhaps they are just very critical and rate every review low. I know I rate the majority of good reviews as "Useful" and save the "Extremely Useful" vote for those I feel went well beyond my expectations.
12/03/2010
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Kindred
I think if the author of the review suspects that the downvote is retaliation of some sort, they can submit a ticket and have it investigated. However, one low vote will have no impact on the overall rating of the review. It's an area you have to ... More
I agree completely. I assume a review is going to be "useful" before I read it, then determine if it's "extremely" "somewhat" or "not useful at all" based on the information (or lack thereof) provided in the review. I'm not saying you have to be super detailed giving every chemical in the material makeup with the scientific equation of elements or anything, but general precautions (like glycerin or paraben) in lubricants, or latex allergy info is important, and so if that is missing, I might be concerned. Also, if there's not a lot of detail about their experience other than "I liked/hated this", it's not useful to me, because what one person may like, another person might not.

I don't think it may be a "low-vote retaliation" situation, but maybe confusion on the voting. Maybe putting "somewhat useful" because they don't think the product would work for them, not based on if the review is informative.
12/03/2010
J's Alley J's Alley
I agree with Kindred. Some people have a higher standard for what is useful, and because of this their voting will likely be different. Now, if they are voting "not useful at all" that is different...and kind of mean (unless it is true). I have seen reviews that were rated really highly and they weren't remotely useful to me, personally. Although, in cases like that I will literally see what is included in the review and then vote...I can't expect other reviewers to be mind readers.

If the vote is in retaliation for a low vote, submit a ticket so admin can warn the reviewer.
12/03/2010
Misfit Momma Misfit Momma
I also got a "somewhat useful" vote today and the same person left a comment that finished off at "great review" so I don't get it...
12/03/2010
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
I also got a "somewhat useful" vote today and the same person left a comment that finished off at "great review" so I don't get it...
THAT is what I mean by being confused on whether a product is useful or if a review is useful. Voting on reviews should be based on the information provided, not whether you'd like a toy.
12/03/2010
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
I also got a "somewhat useful" vote today and the same person left a comment that finished off at "great review" so I don't get it...
I really wouldn't worry bout it, especially if they vote consistently for everyone. People also sometimes cast the wrong vote by accident. I'm pretty sure I've done that before.
12/03/2010
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Kindred
I really wouldn't worry bout it, especially if they vote consistently for everyone. People also sometimes cast the wrong vote by accident. I'm pretty sure I've done that before.
Yes, I've cast a vote wrong before, but I'm pretty sure I have put in the comments that the vote was cast incorrectly.
12/03/2010
darthkitt3n darthkitt3n
Mostly what I notice is the same person doing it to the same person or a couple of people. Unfortunately, I have been looking at a lot of products and a lot of reviews over the past few days, so I don't remember which reviews had the votes. I do remember who was submitting the low votes, though.
12/03/2010
Laurel Laurel
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Originally posted by darthkitt3n
I have noticed something somewhat irritating when I go to rate reviews. There is always that one person who votes somewhat useful or below on a review that has a ton of ratings of extremely useful. Is there anything that can be done about users ... More
If you are noticing an ongoing pattern of down voting by a particular person on reviews in general or directed toward one or two other people you can report it to EF staff and they will look into it.
12/03/2010
Viktor Vysheslav Malkin Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
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Originally posted by darthkitt3n
Mostly what I notice is the same person doing it to the same person or a couple of people. Unfortunately, I have been looking at a lot of products and a lot of reviews over the past few days, so I don't remember which reviews had the votes. I do ... More
I have noticed this too!

I notice a few people doing it, but I have no proof. I do not think its that they are down voting, I think it has something to do with points. I even notice a member doing somewhat useful and commenting ".....", that member was dealt with (don't know if his/her vote stayed up though). I go through the persons profile and see what they been up to (if possible), I found one member who I thought might have been just random voting and not reading so I looked in his/her profile and found the follow and unfollow trick.

Its tricky for the staff, I mean, the person could really have found it somewhat useful and they do not want to punish someone for that. I know that can be hard to understand when so many found it extremely useful and you put so much effort and time into it.

So for me, I have a small list in my mind of those users I feel might be doing it for the Eden point system and if they vote negative on my reviews (which they have) I disregard them. I understand it may hurt rank and your reviews overall rating, but hopefully I get enough ex. useful reviews to counter it.

One thing I do not understand is, If you are going to do this just for the points... why do they have to be so negative in the voting? why not be positive? you get the same amount of points for all ratings. I understand that voting positive for points is just as wrong as voting negative for the points but I just do not under stand the negativity sometimes.

I've had someone accidentally cast the wrong vote, they apologized and let me know how they really felt, I ended up feeling bad because they felt bad for making the mistake
12/03/2010
darthkitt3n darthkitt3n
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Originally posted by Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
I have noticed this too!

I notice a few people doing it, but I have no proof. I do not think its that they are down voting, I think it has something to do with points. I even notice a member doing somewhat useful and commenting ".....", that ... More
I haven't seen anyone vote and leave a comment like that. I have been thinking about the points program, though, and the thought of following/unfollowing someone did cross my mind. I am not considering it, though I was curious if they had set blocks against it.

It's sad that wherever an incentive is offered, someone's there to take advantage of it
12/03/2010
namelesschaos namelesschaos
Another thing that may be happening is new people may not get the concept of an off site review. I noticed the other day I just a "worth reading but not useful" on a review that had all extremely useful till then. I looked at the person profile and noticed all the worth reading, but not useful votes they cased recently where for off-site reviews and figured that was the likely reason.
12/03/2010
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
I think the "point" of low-voting someone for points, is that in that person's mind, they not only get the points and the opportunity to increase their rank, but also get the opportunity to "get ahead" of someone else's rank. WHY? ????? Personally, I don't understand the point of point-farming, etc. With my use of the site (and I will admit, I'm fairly active on the site), in the 6 weeks I've been here, I have accrued about $50+ in points... and I could have accrued more, but I just didn't see the point in performing activities on the site that I wasn't going to do anyway.

If you're slightly more involved and do videos or write for Eden Cafe, you can earn gift cards too. As generous as EF is, I don't see why farmers feel the need to take advantage the way they do. There is already SO MUCH we have access to.
12/03/2010
Viktor Vysheslav Malkin Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
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Originally posted by namelesschaos
Another thing that may be happening is new people may not get the concept of an off site review. I noticed the other day I just a "worth reading but not useful" on a review that had all extremely useful till then. I looked at the person profile and ... More
That is a good point, thanks for bringing that up
12/03/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
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Originally posted by darthkitt3n
I have noticed something somewhat irritating when I go to rate reviews. There is always that one person who votes somewhat useful or below on a review that has a ton of ratings of extremely useful. Is there anything that can be done about users ... More
If it is a pattern, then yes, sometimes. I believe I have noticed the same person as you. I am not sure if they have been reported or not. You could message Kristi about your concerns.
12/03/2010
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by ~LaUr3n~
If it is a pattern, then yes, sometimes. I believe I have noticed the same person as you. I am not sure if they have been reported or not. You could message Kristi about your concerns.
I've noticed this person too. I think if several people have noticed this pattern, someone should email Kristi. I don't think I've personally been subjected to this person on my own reviews, so I don't think it's fair for me to say if this is an intentional behavior.
12/03/2010
Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by Viktor Vysheslav Malkin
I have noticed this too!

I notice a few people doing it, but I have no proof. I do not think its that they are down voting, I think it has something to do with points. I even notice a member doing somewhat useful and commenting ".....", that ... More
I think they're negative in voting because maybe they think it seems as though they've read the review.
12/03/2010
Kindred Kindred
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Originally posted by darthkitt3n
I haven't seen anyone vote and leave a comment like that. I have been thinking about the points program, though, and the thought of following/unfollowing someone did cross my mind. I am not considering it, though I was curious if they had set blocks ... More
Just to clarify, repeatedly following and then unfollowing is against the EoC and therefore is not allowed.
12/03/2010
ScottA ScottA
It could be based on how they view "useful". I would imagine that many of us look at useful in the context of "does this provide useful information about how the toy works in a way of using it", but it could also be thought to mean "is this review useful for me?" In that case, a review that doesn't address that particular person's use would not be very useful (say they want to use a dildo anally, and the review only covers vaginal use).
12/03/2010
Tuesday Tuesday
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
THAT is what I mean by being confused on whether a product is useful or if a review is useful. Voting on reviews should be based on the information provided, not whether you'd like a toy.
I sometimes suspect that people vote lower on a review just because they don't agree with your assessment of a toy.
12/03/2010
Kim! Kim!
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Originally posted by Misfit Momma
I also got a "somewhat useful" vote today and the same person left a comment that finished off at "great review" so I don't get it...
Yeah, I've gotten that and really thought it was weird.
12/03/2010
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by namelesschaos
Another thing that may be happening is new people may not get the concept of an off site review. I noticed the other day I just a "worth reading but not useful" on a review that had all extremely useful till then. I looked at the person profile and ... More
yesssss.

This happens to me quite frequently. I always assume they didn't click the link to read the whole review since I don't think I've written a review *that* bad in years. Heh
12/03/2010
TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
I will say that personally, I go through periods where I find a lot of reviews less than what other people vote them for. So for 1-3 days I can be harsher or have a more critical eye in reviewing than the rest of the time. But it is never an unworthy vote. The people who I vote "somewhat useful" on ARE somewhat useful TO ME. Or if the product has a lot of reviews and the review they wrote has no pizazz or nothing new to add, I don't have an issue not voting it "extremely useful". I feel like the extremely useful votes are handing out too easily...

I honestly feel that most of the time reviews are rated fairly nicely. Either people don't rate poorly so they won't rate at all and just move on, or people don't like rating poorly and they'll comment/message the person instead of rating.

I don't have an issue with clicking any of the ratings.
12/03/2010
Porfiriato Porfiriato
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Originally posted by darthkitt3n
I have noticed something somewhat irritating when I go to rate reviews. There is always that one person who votes somewhat useful or below on a review that has a ton of ratings of extremely useful. Is there anything that can be done about users ... More
This especially burns me when they do not leave a comment explaining why they downvoted! How would you have suggested the reviewer improve? Please be constructive, if you have a good suggestion on how one of the reviews could improve, please let the reviewer know!
12/03/2010
ToyGeek ToyGeek
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Originally posted by Kim!
Yeah, I've gotten that and really thought it was weird.
As was pointed out in another thread a few weeks back, sometimes people meant to vote higher, or even thought they did, but some technical error gets in the way. That might not explain the majority, but twice now I've had people message me apologies for this happening on my reviews, so clearly it does happen.
12/03/2010
J's Alley J's Alley
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Originally posted by Porfiriato
This especially burns me when they do not leave a comment explaining why they downvoted! How would you have suggested the reviewer improve? Please be constructive, if you have a good suggestion on how one of the reviews could improve, please let the ... More
A lot of times the reviewers that vote low do so and the comments as to why are already there, so they don't say anything at all. Some people find it rude to voice the same concerns repeatedly.

Some people said they message the reviewer as to why they voted that way, but again, some people won't answer because they feel they don't need to defend their votes. Here's a thread on that.
12/03/2010
Porfiriato Porfiriato
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Originally posted by J's Alley
A lot of times the reviewers that vote low do so and the comments as to why are already there, so they don't say anything at all. Some people find it rude to voice the same concerns repeatedly.

Some people said they message the reviewer as to ... More
I agree that repetative comments serve no purpose, but I do think that the point of voting is not only to tell others if the review is helpful, but also to help the reviewer. It's not about defending your vote, it's trying to be helpful
12/03/2010
Bunnycups Bunnycups
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Originally posted by TitsMcScandal
I will say that personally, I go through periods where I find a lot of reviews less than what other people vote them for. So for 1-3 days I can be harsher or have a more critical eye in reviewing than the rest of the time. But it is never an ... More
Just because a product has been reviewed by people before shouldn't affect how another review for the same product is rated.
12/03/2010
TitsMcScandal TitsMcScandal
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Originally posted by Bunnycups
Just because a product has been reviewed by people before shouldn't affect how another review for the same product is rated.
It doesn't. However, if you offer nothing new and/or do not have have your own voice I will not vote extremely useful. That is my view on things. And I'm talking about HIGHLY reviewed products like the hitachi, not on something that has 5 or 10 reviews.
12/03/2010
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