Lubeless toy play... possibly for you?

Alt Alt
I am curious if others have noticed that they are able to using toys anally without any lube.

I have recently with myself, in that the rectum appears to make its own lube, and when stimulated enough (and relaxed enough) then it can really output some serious lubrication (and seems a lot better than any lubes I have tried, haha)

I have only noticed it is possible to use smooth toys while doing this, but I wouldn't be surprised if others have has success with other materials. So far what has worked is:
Glass
Metal
Plastic
Acrylic
Ceramic
Marble
And some rubber toys which have a stiffer or harder rubber material
Also success with 1 jelly toy.

Notable sized toys inserted anally without lube:
nJoy's Pure Plug 2.0
B3's Dai-Do #1 (the ball end)
nJoy's Eleven (both ends)
DJ's Spades plug - Medium
DJ's Spades plug - Large (but it appears it is past my limits (even with lube), so it hurts my inner sphincter when trying to pass through)

Motions include:
Thrusting in and out quickly
Twirling
Spinning
etc







Anyone notice similar results?
01/06/2010
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Miss Jane Miss Jane
I can't do it without lube at all. No way. Even if I could I'd be afraid I would damage something.

Most of the lube your anus is making is probably sweat, with a portion of digestive secretions ...
01/06/2010
EffinSara EffinSara
I agree with Miss Jane. The most I've done without lube is *very* shallow penetration with a finger.
01/06/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
The butt doesn't create lube, so I've never engaged in any butt stuff without lube, except for what EffinSara said.
01/06/2010
El-Jaro El-Jaro
well, the butt does have its own lube...stinky nasty lube.
01/06/2010
Liz2 Liz2
I so love anal play but no f... way w/o lube. As others have noted, the butt does not produce its own lube so why not enjoy the pleasure by using lube and plenty of it for an awesome orgasmic experience?
Yes, pain can be pleasurable but too damn many risks in anal play w/o lube.
Reminds me of my first anal experience with a former b/f....no lube, hurt like hell and I thought I was seriously injured. Pleasure? None.
01/06/2010
Red Red
Depending how experienced and relaxed you are, you can take some penetration without lube. Like, insert and leave alone type penetration. Any in and out without lube is about equivalent to asking for a bleeding anus. And yes, this does seem to be a function of smoothness of material as well as diameter.

HOWEVER! This is just plain not recommended. The ass is designed as an exit only area and your body does not, in fact, make sufficient anal mucus for anal sex. Alt is quite experienced with anal play and aware of how his body works, so he's found that he can push this limit somewhat. Perhaps his body makes slightly more than average amounts of anal mucus. This will not be the case for everyone and it is not advised to see this as any sort of goal.

Just my $0.02
01/06/2010
El-Jaro El-Jaro
"Anal mucus"...thanks Red
01/06/2010
Mp4 Mp4
Without any sort of lubrication... No, not going to happen for me.

I often end up using spit or cum though when I don't have lube with me.
01/06/2010
Victoria Victoria
No lube = no way, for me too. And keep in mind, some fissures and tears don't hurt at first, so PLEASE BE CAREFUL when playing without warming up or using lubricant.

Everyone's body is different - but do err on the side of caution.
01/06/2010
Alt Alt
Hmm I am surprised that it seems everyone so far hasn't experienced anything similar.
Maybe I have some kind of rare talent? (yay!)

@Miss Jane
I am not sure how much the rectum sweats but I don't think it is digestive secretions(at least as far as poo goes)
Seems like a clear substance after doing a thorough enema (which is a must for me every time)


@Sex, Lies & Pre-Law
-->"The butt doesn't create lube"
Well my rectum appears to. Although I only recently noticed it with being more relaxed.
I cannot imagine I am just someone with a special talent here, haha.


@Mr. Sauce
-->"the butt does have its own lube...stinky nasty lube."
The lube that is produced by the rectum doesn't have a scent and is clear.
Its like stuff found in your nose.
Actually it does have a little scent but nothing like poo or a bad smell. Its more like a mucus fluid smell. I would know because I pretty much have a poo phobia and if was smelling like poo I would probably assume that it is and be sure to always use lube.


@Liz2
-->"the butt does not produce its own lube so why not enjoy the pleasure by using lube and plenty of it for an awesome orgasmic experience? "
Well I have used lube, but it appears that my rectum also creates it.

I recall belladonna talking about it a while back when seeing an Evil Angel clip. I think she referred to it as "ass jelly" or something similar.
I also asked a bi friend of mine and he said he has experienced a similar self-lubing action.

-->"Yes, pain can be pleasurable but too damn many risks in anal play w/o lube. "
I don't like pain at all! I have a low threshold for pain.
The thing is, it is not painful at all when my rectum has output enough lube.
If it hasn't then there is no way I am going to force some object in. Typically then I either need to warm up with a small toy to have my rectum start producing more lube, or actually apply lube.



@Red
-->"Any in and out without lube is about equivalent to asking for a bleeding anus."
I haven't noticed that at all. My outer and inner sphincter are fine, and I have never felt any pain in my rectum or noticed any blood on any toys (yikes!).
The lube my rectum produces seems just as slippery as any lube (and seems to either last longer, but maybe that is because it continue to put it out with more stimulation)

But again I can only thrust a toy in and out if it is a smooth material like glass, metal, ceramic, etc.


-->"does not, in fact, make sufficient anal mucus for anal sex."
I am not sure how this lube would do for anal sex, but certainly for smooth hard-material toy play, it works wonders... at least for me.

-->"Perhaps his body makes slightly more than average amounts of anal mucus."
That must be the case.
I cannot say I am really that experienced has I have only been playing with toys for about 2 years now.
Indeed I started anal exploration probably about 4 years ago, but that was nothing more than some small handles on objects. (and also before I had an enema bag to clean out with)



@Mp4
Haha, semen as lube?
I don't think I could ever do that, lol.

As for spit, well that is kind of similar to how this stuff is that my body seems to produce but it is way more slippery.
Plus I using spit I am not a big fan of because of how much bacteria is in your mouth as well as any spit smell, lol.



@Victoria
Yea I am quite careful, but I think I would notice any pain (or at least the next day or a few hours after) if I was hurting myself. Certainly I cannot just use toys without lube, but when my body seems to produce its own after an enema, then I might as well use it. Plus there is no burn or odd feeling like when first putting lube into your butt or around your sphincter when first starting out, since its my body's own stuff.
01/06/2010
Domineight Domineight
The anus does create its own lube. For me usually I have to already be mid-anal play to notice any noteworthy amount of anal mucus, most noticeable during anal penetration (by a penis) where there is repetitive in and out going on, but its certainly there.

Come on guys. How did you think bowel movements get out if there wasn't some kind of lubrication.

@alt- you're not alone. I can usually use a little of my vaginal lubrication or a little spit for anal sex or plugs. For fingers I can usually use nothing but since I'm a female I have a feeling my vaginal lubrication sneaks down. Once I am worked up enough I produce enough anal mucus to not be a problem. The only thing I use bottled lubricant for is enemas, especially my enema syringe where it is being inserted and removed over and over.

I find non-body fluid lube to be very cold and medicinal so I generally save it for medical play. Though I'd probably be more likely to also use it for anal sex with a new partner who doesn't know my style and speed of insertion like my boyfriend does.

If I were talking to someone new to anal I would suggest using lube but not much. I think lube lets things squeeze into places before they're ready to. But that's just me.
01/06/2010
Domineight Domineight
Quote:
Originally posted by Domineight
The anus does create its own lube. For me usually I have to already be mid-anal play to notice any noteworthy amount of anal mucus, most noticeable during anal penetration (by a penis) where there is repetitive in and out going on, but its certainly ... More
as a note, I wasn't suggesting other people should not use bottled lube. Just that I gennnerally prefer not to. i realize in re-reading it sounds like I'm knocking what other people are comfortable with and that wasn't my intend.
01/06/2010
LikeSunshineDust LikeSunshineDust
Quote:
Originally posted by Domineight
The anus does create its own lube. For me usually I have to already be mid-anal play to notice any noteworthy amount of anal mucus, most noticeable during anal penetration (by a penis) where there is repetitive in and out going on, but its certainly ... More
Um, stools can get out of the anus and rectum because it itself is moist. Drier "hard" stools have a much harder time coming out because they don't contain as much water.
01/06/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Quote:
Originally posted by LikeSunshineDust
Um, stools can get out of the anus and rectum because it itself is moist. Drier "hard" stools have a much harder time coming out because they don't contain as much water.
Yeah, stool softeners work to ease the pain associated with constipation because they draw water into the colon. Constipation (dry, hard stools) is caused by the colon absorbing too much water (or lack of hydration to begin with). Healthy stools will be somewhat soft and wet enough so that their passage is easy and painless. The rectum really doesn't have any way of producing lubrication; the rectal walls are coated with a thin layer of mucous but that's really about it.

I mean, this really isn't open to debate; it's an anatomical fact. For anyone that believes that the rectum produces lubrication I would ask you to point to the part of rectum that does so; the burden of proof is on you in this case because your belief is essentially unfounded. However, it may be true that some people naturally have more mucous coating the rectal walls.
01/06/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Quote:
Originally posted by Owl Identified
Yeah, stool softeners work to ease the pain associated with constipation because they draw water into the colon. Constipation (dry, hard stools) is caused by the colon absorbing too much water (or lack of hydration to begin with). Healthy stools will ... More
I also think it's kind of dangerous to makes these sorts of statements on these forums. I'm not trying to be critical of anyone here, but a lot of people come on this board looking for advice and information. Alt, I'm not saying anything negative toward you because you phrased this as a question (not an absolute fact). This is more of a general observation that I'm making.

I don't want to moralise, but I think it's really important that as reviewers we make sure we're well researched on a subject before we say things in our reviews or on these boards when it comes to matters of health and safety. I personally sustained a pretty serious anal injury because I was not informed, and I think that EF is a really great resource to help prevent this kind of injury and others related to sex.
01/06/2010
Alt Alt
@Domineight
Thanks for the input
I am betting as a female it is easier to get started with inserting things into the butt because of vaginal lubrication (lucky girls! haha)

As for myself, I either have to use a small amount of lube to get it started or insert something small stimulate myself enough to really get it flowing.



@LikeSunshineDust
Well I guess that explains the purpose for having rectal mucous membranes.
I wonder if the membranes extend up into the colon. (I would guess yes, perhaps)




@Sex, Lies & Pre-Law
-->"The rectum really doesn't have any way of producing lubrication; the rectal walls are coated with a thin layer of mucous but that's really about it."
Well I don't know what the hell mine is doing, but it is surely self-lubracating.
Like I said, it has only been a recent discovery for me, but maybe its on of those things that only a certain number of people have such as females being able to ejaculate(squirt) or males producing pre-ejaculate(precum).


-->"I mean, this really isn't open to debate; it's an anatomical fact. For anyone that believes that the rectum produces lubrication I would ask you to point to the part of rectum that does so"
It might not be a debate, but it might be open to interpretation
It's gotta be the walls of the rectum or something.

I've tried to research it a little bit but have mainly come up with the fact that the rectum does produce small amounts of lubrication, and this does indeed seem to be the case for myself. (Hell I even took pictures to make sure I wasn't going crazy, during one day of some anal exploration, lol)

Something interesting on wikipedia here is the bottom left picture here: link
Section of mucous membrane of human rectum (60×) - link


-->"However, it may be true that some people naturally have more mucous coating the rectal walls."
And I think that must exactly be it.
My guess is that everyone would be able to produce a good enough to not use lubrication for smooth enough toys or anal play, but possibly have to be relaxed enough.

Its kind of like female ejaculation how there are theories that all females can do so, but it requires the right mental mindset, enough pressure and buildup, the right amount of g-spot stimulation, and enough outward push to make it occur.


-->"I also think it's kind of dangerous to makes these sorts of statements on these forums. "
Lol, how are these topics dangerous O_o ?
I would assume anyone using sex toys and on a sex toy forum would be smart enough to not push themselves into doing something because someone said that he or she is able to do so on a public forum, haha.


-->"This is more of a general observation that I'm making."
And same here.
That is why I asked others if they have noticed this (that is IF they have tried it)
I am not saying try to find out (unless he or she wants to) I am just saying if they have tried on their own free will and noticed similar results.


-->"I think it's really important that as reviewers we make sure we're well researched on a subject before we say things in our reviews or on these boards when it comes to matters of health and safety."
Exactly. That is why it is important to discuss such matters.
Although you have to remember, you don't have to be a reviewer to view or post on these forums. They are public, not exclusive



This entire topic here is to see if other sex toy users out there come across this kind of self rectal lubrication. Certainly, I never would have believed 1 year ago that I would be able to use toys anally without applying actual lube but it appears that is indeed the case now for frictionless toys.

If I had an explanation as to why it happens or where exactly it comes from, I would certainly share, yet I have no clue (and I can only guess/conclude that it's the rectal walls).
It's just like if you asked my why I am included in the percentage of guys that cannot produce any precum... I have no idea what so ever (any insight?)... even after I have rubbed my prostate while laying down attempting to have gravity push it out, haha.
01/06/2010
Domineight Domineight
Quote:
Originally posted by Owl Identified
Yeah, stool softeners work to ease the pain associated with constipation because they draw water into the colon. Constipation (dry, hard stools) is caused by the colon absorbing too much water (or lack of hydration to begin with). Healthy stools will ... More
How can you say the rectum is coated in mucus but there is no such thing as rectal mucus? That would be the rectal mucus I speak of.

I'm not saying it works like a vagina where as you get more aroused you produce more. I'm saying anuses produce moisture and that moisture is mucus. There isn't a special part of the rectum that does it. It secretes from the walls.

It is an anatomical fact that the rectum is coated in mucus, which is to say that it is lubricated. While I'm sure nature's intention was to help things come out, it conveniently can help when putting things in your ass.

I have no idea how much mucus most people's anuses produce, only that rectal mucus is indeed an actual thing. I have limited experience with other people's anuses (one who preferred bottle lube and one who didn't) but I know my own rectum has a clearish mucus in it, and that the more intense play I'm doing (usually the deeper something is going in) is when its noticeable.

I didn't say you should not use lube, only that I prefer not to most of the time. People have their own free will to choose how they prefer to do it. This post asked if anyone else is able to play without lube, and I expressed how I like to play with my own anus.
01/06/2010
Alt Alt
Just thought of something...

Because the rectum and colon absorb fluids, could it possibly be that the water from doing an enema is getting absorbed and then converted into mucous when the rectal mucous membranes are secreting it?


Perhaps that would explain why with more stimulation then more lube(mucous) is output?

It must be either that or
- I am fooling my rectum into thinking it needs to makes things move along better
or
- The anus has a 2nd purpose (hey... sometimes you have to wonder)
01/06/2010
Red Red
Quote:
Originally posted by LikeSunshineDust
Um, stools can get out of the anus and rectum because it itself is moist. Drier "hard" stools have a much harder time coming out because they don't contain as much water.
And as well, there is anal mucous (or butt snot, as I like to call it), which helps things out, so to speak.

Alt just makes a lot of butt snot. Everyone is different. No one reading this should EVER just assume they are similarly blessed with copious amounts of butt snot like Alt is.

Generally, just be sure and play safe by making sure there's enough lube (wherever that lube comes from) to keep things slick and comfortable. A good place to start if this all seems confusing is Jack Morin's book: link
01/06/2010
Domineight Domineight
Quote:
Originally posted by Alt
Just thought of something...

Because the rectum and colon absorb fluids, could it possibly be that the water from doing an enema is getting absorbed and then converted into mucous when the rectal mucous membranes are secreting ... More
As far as I'm aware its just there all the time coating the rectum.
I guess its possible you produce some when you poop but I don't know that for a fact. But if that were the case maybe putting something in tricks your body into thinking its pooping? Not sure.
01/06/2010
Alt Alt
@ Dominight
-->"I'm not saying it works like a vagina where as you get more aroused you produce more."
I swear to god I am starting to think so with the more experimentation I do, hahah !!

-->"While I'm sure nature's intention was to help things come out, it conveniently can help when putting things in your ass."
Exactly.

-->"but I know my own rectum has a clearish mucus in it, and that the more intense play I'm doing (usually the deeper something is going in) is when its noticeable."
Yes, that is exactly what I notice also.
It is clear and gel-like. If it dries it doesn't get sticky but I have noticed that if I put a toy on a paper towel (int he queue to be cleaned off) then it will somewhat stick to it)

I wonder what natures purpose of it is also... I really wonder why it has the scent that it does.
Smells nothing like poo or anything similar. I could swear it has a pheremone in it (but if that was really the case, then I think it would make the anus have a 2nd purpose) Then again, there are animals that have anal glads, but I think its more like to avoid being eaten then attracting a m8.

-->"I didn't say you should not use lube, only that I prefer not to most of the time. "
I agree %100.
Lube is great, but now that I found new bodily anal lube, which doesn't cause any burning, odd sensation, or over lubing, it is the best yet!



@Red
-->"butt snot, as I like to call it"
That is a good way to put it, because it does kind of remind me of snot.

-->"Alt just makes a lot of butt snot"
HAHA, that sounds quite funny.



@Domineight (again)
-->"As far as I'm aware its just there all the time coating the rectum."
That would seem to make sense.

-->"But if that were the case maybe putting something in tricks your body into thinking its pooping?"
Indeed, but I have nothing to back that up other than personal experience.
We need a colonoscopy doctor for advice, lol.
01/06/2010
sophie2229 sophie2229
definitely not for me! I can barely fit the large end of the Eleven in my vagina, and even then it just feels too big! I can't even imagine it in my ass. Actually, I can but it ends up with me in the hospital. Not pretty...
01/06/2010
Alt Alt
Quote:
Originally posted by sophie2229
definitely not for me! I can barely fit the large end of the Eleven in my vagina, and even then it just feels too big! I can't even imagine it in my ass. Actually, I can but it ends up with me in the hospital. Not pretty...
Yea the Eleven took a little bit of getting used to but I am so glad I got it. (and I was amazed the other night when I used it without lube for the first time)

It wasn't so bad for me at first, I guess because I had used the Pure Plug 2.0 a lot before using both ends of the Eleven.

It just sucks that I cannot seem to fit in anything bigger.
Mentally I feel like I could take any size, but when I try Doc Johnson's Glass Spades - Large plug, it just doesn't feel like all is well. In fact, I am really pissed that I have a hemeroid from when I was little because I have a feeling that it's what is holding me back from larger toys and causing pain in the inner sphincter when trying to take something that size.

Oh well, Being a small guy (and somewhat young: 19) I guess I should feel lucky I can take the larger end of the eleven.
01/07/2010
deceased deceased
Quote:
Originally posted by Owl Identified
Yeah, stool softeners work to ease the pain associated with constipation because they draw water into the colon. Constipation (dry, hard stools) is caused by the colon absorbing too much water (or lack of hydration to begin with). Healthy stools will ... More
SL&P is completely on track with how stool softeners like colace work.
The rectum doesn't lubricate. '
Its also easy to create fissures in an unlubricated rectum. '
Tears can also happen in drier, thinner walls of the vaginal canal of women in, past or approaching menopause.

USE LUBE or use well lubed condoms. Beats the hell out of surgical repairs. Boy, have I been part of many a surgical repair team!!!

Relube too. DOn't be cheap. Spit just ain't good enough either.
01/07/2010
LikeSunshineDust LikeSunshineDust
Quote:
Originally posted by deceased
SL&P is completely on track with how stool softeners like colace work.
The rectum doesn't lubricate. '
Its also easy to create fissures in an unlubricated rectum. '
Tears can also happen in drier, thinner walls of the vaginal ... More
Agreed. Anal fissures can facilitate the transmission of STI's and are dangerous.
01/07/2010
Saraid Saraid
The rectum doesn't lubricate, period. Use lube. Problem solved.
01/07/2010
Alt Alt
@Misha's Amusements, Saraid
-->"The rectum doesn't lubricate."

Well I guess I am fortunate that mine (and some others) do have a rectum that self lubricates.
01/07/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Quote:
Originally posted by LikeSunshineDust
Agreed. Anal fissures can facilitate the transmission of STI's and are dangerous.
Not to mention hurt like hell and sometimes can take months to heal. Others will never fully heal and will re-open over and over throughout a lifetime. Not fun :/
01/07/2010
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