Oil Based Lubes

Red Red
Hi all,

Just check the answers to some questions I posted on the sliquid interview, which was great, by the by...and I found an issue that I see tossed around with various degrees of "no, that's not safe for the body". That issue?

Oil based lubes.

First off, we all get that you don't put oil in your vagina (right?). And we all get that oil based lubes are a no-no-NO with latex condoms (again, right?).

But they're fine for (latex free) anal (with my fluid bonded partner), as far as I understand, believe and practice.

(some say unnatural petroleum byproduct oils AKA mineral oil and paraffin and vasoline are bad news, but naturals like coconut are fine. I subscribe to that idea cause I like it, but as far as my chemist brain is concerned, there shouldn't be any real difference. Still, natural feels like a smarter choice)

Thoughts?
08/16/2009
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Avery Dragon Avery Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Red
Hi all,

Just check the answers to some questions I posted on the sliquid interview, which was great, by the by...and I found an issue that I see tossed around with various degrees of "no, that's not safe for the body". That ... More
I agree with prior mentioned stipulations, and though I haven't yet had the pleasure of trying out oil based lubricant, I know that I'd like to. Though I like my thick water based lubes on my silicone toys, I hate the reapplication problem.

Most of the toys i have are silicone, and though I believe I do have a bit of a sinful affair with silicone lube, I know that it was never meant to be a menage a trois *sp?* hopefully I will be able to try out some oils soon.

I've read on numerous occasions you talk about coconut oil working well, so when my boy is back I believe I'd like to get some and try it out (we've both been tested and on those special occasions like to go bare) =)
08/16/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by Red
Hi all,

Just check the answers to some questions I posted on the sliquid interview, which was great, by the by...and I found an issue that I see tossed around with various degrees of "no, that's not safe for the body". That ... More
I'm with you; would never use anything petroleum-based for anything. Period. However, I have varying thoughts on the naturals too. Most people know that we use *unrefined* organic coconut oil, and have for nearly a decade with no problems (yes, vaginally). The only time we have problems is when we're trying a commercial lube (still looking for that perfect water-based one). That said though, I wouldn't be comfortable grabbing any old vegetable oil out of the cabinet and having a run with it, even though it's natural, and we've found that some brands of coconut oil aren't great either.

The only reason we're comfortable with using the C.O. is because it was once prescribed to me by a wholistic doctor as part of a yeast infection cure, which involved using it on the labia to ease the discomfort. When I later asked if it was ok to use it inside and regularly, the answer was yes, and she told us several benefits that it had to the vaginal area in general.

I think the whole stigma against using ANY oil sexually stemmed from the numerous people that were slathering Crisco on their parts and then trying to figure out why they kept getting bacterial infections. But just like the "never use silicone lubes with silicone toys" rule, there can be exceptions.
08/16/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
I'm with you; would never use anything petroleum-based for anything. Period. However, I have varying thoughts on the naturals too. Most people know that we use *unrefined* organic coconut oil, and have for nearly a decade with no problems (yes, ... More
Yeah, actually I have heard folks talking about using some natural oils for vaginal lubrication - I'm not sure I would want to fiddle with that, personally. However, there is nothing more decadent than using oil based lube for a vulval massage

I agree, the stimga likely comes from the crisco and butter days of porn and school yard jokes. Also, I think often folks are so quick to make sure that safer sex is being respected, oil based lubes get thrown in the slush pile for their latex incompatibility. Which, by the way, can be avoided if you use polyurethane condoms. Just sayin'
08/17/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Avery Dragon
I agree with prior mentioned stipulations, and though I haven't yet had the pleasure of trying out oil based lubricant, I know that I'd like to. Though I like my thick water based lubes on my silicone toys, I hate the reapplication problem. ... More
You'll love it - oil based lubes are sooooo slick and thick I currently use and love one called "yes" that is shea and coconut oil based. Its the thickness that is the key advantage over silicone lube (latex and vag concerns aside).

You should try your silicone toys with oil based lube! As ScottA so aptly pointed out in a recent thread, the ass is designed to be good at absorbing water - hence the re application need with water based lubes.
08/17/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
This is a topic of interest for me as I have alwyas believe oil based lubes to be bad for.. just about everything. Will be checking back to see the responses
08/17/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
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Originally posted by Red
You'll love it - oil based lubes are sooooo slick and thick I currently use and love one called "yes" that is shea and coconut oil based. Its the thickness that is the key advantage over silicone lube (latex and vag concerns aside). ... More
Coconut oil *is* extremely slick and has great staying power, but by itself isn't super thick for anal sex because of the way body heat melts it. So if you love slick for anal it's great, but if you like thick it's only so-so.

Red is right again in saying the Yes brand lube is awesome! Just be careful if you're allergic to latex, because about half of the people who are will have a reaction to Shea Butter too (along with bananas and chestnuts and assorted other foods). It's not an overly common reaction though, and doing a test patch on your inner arm will tell you what you need to know about that.
08/17/2009
Avery Dragon Avery Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by Red
You'll love it - oil based lubes are sooooo slick and thick I currently use and love one called "yes" that is shea and coconut oil based. Its the thickness that is the key advantage over silicone lube (latex and vag concerns aside). ... More
Thank you Red and also Alan & Michele! After reading all of this my curiosity has peaked, I'll be taking your suggestion Red in regards to getting "Yes". I wish my paycheck was here now D:
08/17/2009
Gary Gary
They use oil a lot in some of the 'adult cinema' that I like to watch. It is only used topically however, to enhance the shine of the actresses lower back while she shakes it around for the first ten minutes of each scene I think this in the case, the use of oil is acceptable!
08/17/2009
Red Red
I've been hunting for info on the "issues" one might face in putting oils in the ass, but not surprisingly, info is a tad tough to come by.

The party line about oils being bad boils down to "they coat and smother mucous membranes, possibly leading to an environment that can harbour bacteria."

now here's the REALLY interesting thing.

Silicone oils are no different, folks. They smother and coat just as well - hence, the slickness factor.

In fact, we are actually designed to be able to process natural oils from our foods. There is 0% precedent for silicone oils being dealt with by our bodies.

Food for thought, as they say...
08/18/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Avery Dragon
Thank you Red and also Alan & Michele! After reading all of this my curiosity has peaked, I'll be taking your suggestion Red in regards to getting "Yes". I wish my paycheck was here now D:
Awesome! You'll have to let me know what you think of your Yes! lube. I'm in complete love with it.
08/18/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Gary
They use oil a lot in some of the 'adult cinema' that I like to watch. It is only used topically however, to enhance the shine of the actresses lower back while she shakes it around for the first ten minutes of each scene I think this in the ... More
No issues using oil on the body externally, for sure, unless you count how difficult it can be to tackle a greased up partner
08/18/2009
Colin Roy Colin Roy
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Originally posted by Red
I've been hunting for info on the "issues" one might face in putting oils in the ass, but not surprisingly, info is a tad tough to come by.

The party line about oils being bad boils down to "they coat and smother mucous ... More
Silicone tends to be expelled from the body quicker BECAUSE of the fact that it is a foreign entity.
10/06/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Colin Roy
Silicone tends to be expelled from the body quicker BECAUSE of the fact that it is a foreign entity.
Quite an excellent point!

I want a book on lubes to come out. Or a review of the science done on lubes. Or a really good seminar. Or something. I might be in a minority on that, however.
10/06/2009
Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Red
Quite an excellent point!

I want a book on lubes to come out. Or a review of the science done on lubes. Or a really good seminar. Or something. I might be in a minority on that, however.
I think I would swoon and have a brain-gasm if any of these came out!
10/06/2009
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Red
Hi all,

Just check the answers to some questions I posted on the sliquid interview, which was great, by the by...and I found an issue that I see tossed around with various degrees of "no, that's not safe for the body". That ... More
I've read a lot about water-based lubes being the only safe alternative. I think that's BS. We've used silicone lubes for a long time with no adverse effects - to the contrary - with great success.

However when I started to buy silicone toys - we needed an alternative. We tried some of the more highly rated water-based products - but simply didn't like them. When my wife's a bit stressed - it takes her a while to work up to an orgasm. Personnaly I love the challenge and she's gratified by my patience. Water-based lubes just don't work in that scenario.

Prior to silicone we had with relative success used 'oil-based' lubes - but not petroleum-based lubes. We like the ones based on, cocoa butter almond, avocado, safflower - etc. My wife recently started using a Bath & Body works cream after a bath that contained Shea Butter - I was lucky t find a product out of England (isn't the internet a great tool!) called Yes. They have both water and oil-based products - and we absolutely love their oil-based product - it's full all sorts of skin-healthy ingredients - check them out at link

Enjoy!

My wife tends to take a while
10/06/2009
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