Silicone lube on silicone toys (again, yet different)

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Silicone lube on silicone toys (again, yet different)

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Contributor: ScottA ScottA
I'm testing several silicone lubes, and since 80+% of my toys are silicone silicone compatibility is important to me.

I've noticed an unusual behavior from silicone lubes, though. When applied to a test area (Tantus silicone), they will immediately produce a "welt" (don't know what else to call it - it's raised slightly) on the silicone that doesn't come off with washing or ordinary rubbing, but by the next day it's gone away.

My guess is that this isn't the notorious silicone bonding, since after ~12hrs and a rub with a towel the silicone is indistinguishable from the control area. Anyone have either knowledge or a hypothesis?
09/13/2009
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Contributor: Avery Dragon Avery Dragon
That's odd... I've had my Tantus absorb Pjur before, but never do that. No idea for the reason.
09/13/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
The weird thing is that it appears to go back to normal - at first I thought that it had permanently bonded, but then it went away.

It's like my dildos have allergies.
09/13/2009
Contributor: Avery Dragon Avery Dragon
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
The weird thing is that it appears to go back to normal - at first I thought that it had permanently bonded, but then it went away.

It's like my dildos have allergies.
Hahaha well I just keep thinking one day it'll come alive and become a silicone dildo monster x3

It's a good thing that they haven't suffered any permanent damage though
09/13/2009
Contributor: Luscious Lily Luscious Lily
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Originally posted by Avery Dragon
That's odd... I've had my Tantus absorb Pjur before, but never do that. No idea for the reason.
I was wondering about that! Only my softer Tantus toys, like the Acute (not the O2 material) have done it, but the Pjur original seemed to sink into the toy. I thought it had bonded, but after a little while it just... disappeared. Very odd!
09/13/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Perhaps someone at Tantus can enlighten us? Metis?
09/14/2009
Contributor: Metis Black Metis Black
(Tantus)
On my way out of town so I'll try and make this quick.

The dimethicone is attracted to the dimethicone in the lube. The loose electrons are pulling towards eachother and making that surface issue. It's very temporary.

The harder products have less dimethicone. But customers like softer products so we have through the years gone from a 30 shore hardness to a 20 and under for the bulk of our toys.

Sorry to leave you with this nerdy chemistry answer but Mike is saying he'll meet me at the river if I don't go now....

Bye!
09/14/2009
Contributor: Victoria Victoria
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
On my way out of town so I'll try and make this quick.

The dimethicone is attracted to the dimethicone in the lube. The loose electrons are pulling towards eachother and making that surface issue. It's very temporary.

The ... more
Thank you for squeezing it in before your vaca!
09/14/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
On my way out of town so I'll try and make this quick.

The dimethicone is attracted to the dimethicone in the lube. The loose electrons are pulling towards eachother and making that surface issue. It's very temporary.

The ... more
Nerdy is good, you hit on the big issues (why and the fact that it's temporary).

Thanks!
09/15/2009
Contributor: El-Jaro El-Jaro
So, what's the verdict?
I'm a fan of both silicone lube and toys. Is it safe then? If your toy breaks out in hives, it's only temporary?
10/27/2009
Contributor: Alt Alt
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
So, what's the verdict?
I'm a fan of both silicone lube and toys. Is it safe then? If your toy breaks out in hives, it's only temporary?
Doesn't seem to work at all for any silicone lube.
Tantus toys dont seem to get destroyed, but rather, absorb it (so it seems).
(I am not sure if it destorys or deform other silicone toys)

I havn't seen any damadge on Tantus toys, but then again I stopped using silicone toys all together: they are too soft and not slippery enough when lubed. Plastic (acrylic), glass, metal, and ceramic are superior, IMO.
10/27/2009
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Tantus toys get temporary hives, Fun Factory doesn't seem to be affected. I don't have any quantitative evidence to back this up, but it seems as if silicone lube isn't as slick on silicone toys, though, so I've stopped using the combination.

I like my silicone toys because they're soft and safe. Hard plastic, glass, metal, ceramic, etc. have their place in my toybox, but the stiff and unyielding nature of these materials means that you need to be more careful with them, especially in partner play.
10/29/2009
Contributor: Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
Tantus toys get temporary hives, Fun Factory doesn't seem to be affected. I don't have any quantitative evidence to back this up, but it seems as if silicone lube isn't as slick on silicone toys, though, so I've stopped using the ... more
Exactly why I like Fun Factory's silicone. It's such a perfect balance for me.
10/30/2009
Contributor: NarcissisticLust NarcissisticLust
Quote:
Originally posted by ScottA
The weird thing is that it appears to go back to normal - at first I thought that it had permanently bonded, but then it went away.

It's like my dildos have allergies.
Dwtim hosted a lube workshop and had a similar experience however nobody really looked into WHY this happens.
06/07/2011
Contributor: going4the23feel going4the23feel
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
On my way out of town so I'll try and make this quick.

The dimethicone is attracted to the dimethicone in the lube. The loose electrons are pulling towards eachother and making that surface issue. It's very temporary.

The ... more
I appreciate this answer. I was looking for why the silicone reacting poorly with itself. Would oil-based lubricant be better to use with silicone? I was under the impression your body couldn't absorb the oil, so it may be a less-than-solid idea.
03/17/2012