Are we going overboard and perhaps temping fate with all the flame testing?

P'Gell P'Gell
OK, Toy Time Tim aside (and folks, he's a professional, don't try this at home) I'm starting to wonder if the infatuation of flame testing toys "to see if they're what it says they are" is getting a little out of hand. Am I alone here?

I think, also, we need to be really careful with flame testing if we insist on doing it. Putting a match to anything that might be TPR (and in the long run TPR isn't a bad material, but it isn't pure silicone) or certain plastics could result in toxic gases being released or fires gettting out of control. Somebody is going to get hurt. Not to mention ruin toys that otherwise might have served them well in many respects.

Also, there is no obligation to flame test anything. If the toy smells funny it probably isn't medical or 100% silicone. Perhaps contacting the manufacturer and kindly inquiring into the material of the toy is a better idea. I have NEVER flame tested a toy myself. I contact manufacturers and I am always nice and they are more than happy to give me information.

Also, sometimes the Product Page or even the box is incorrect or not up to date, but the people at the manufacturer will get to the bottom of the issue and let you know.

Fr'instance, a toy I know isn't 100% silicone (because I did the DR and contacted the manufacturer who TOLD me what he toy was made of, and they never said it was 100% silicone, they gave me the actual make up) was recently "flame tested" for a review with disastrous results. An hour later, I read an other review (for a toy I am not familiar with) that had similar awful results.

Burning polymers in a home environment is SIMPLY not a good idea, unless you really know what you are doing. My concerns are for people's respiratory systems, and for.... their houses. One toy, made of an otherwise fairly nice material like TPR, that goes up in flames could give someone an asthma attack, make them sick, cause a migraine or even cause a house fire.

There NO obligation to flame test toys to write a review on these toys. I'd like to call a moratorium to this, especially if it's obvious the toy ISN'T silicone. "It smelled like plastic, so I set it on fire to see."

Most of the toy manufacturers of toys Eden carries are more than happy to email you with information. Not only is this easier than.... setting your toys on fire. It's a hella safer.

I hope I'm not out of line here. It's all fun and games until somebody has an asthma attack that requires hospitalization or burns down their house.

Let's leave...uh... pyrotechnics to people like Tim, who have the knowledge and the experience and the safe spaces to do it.
03/29/2012
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JessCee JessCee
Quote:
Originally posted by P'Gell
OK, Toy Time Tim aside (and folks, he's a professional, don't try this at home) I'm starting to wonder if the infatuation of flame testing toys "to see if they're what it says they are" is getting a little out of hand. Am I ... More
Totally agree, P'Gell. I'd never feel comfortable doing this... ever. Leave it to the professional, Tim
03/29/2012
Beck Beck
I am agree. We do need to be careful with doing so. I have only done it when I questioned the material and out of curiosity. I have however tried to contact a company about their materials and they refuse to answer me. They won't even tell me if it is porous. I have this item as an assignment and it is marked on the box as a material I have not heard of nor is it on EF material guide. I went to the company page to check it out and there was no useful information. I sent them and email and tried to call them. The only phone number is automated so you can order out of a catalog and they never replied to my email. I have to write the review, but have been putting it off. How can I explain about a material I have no idea about?
03/29/2012
Illusional Illusional
I've never flame tested. I'm too much of a pansy, LOL
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Beck
I am agree. We do need to be careful with doing so. I have only done it when I questioned the material and out of curiosity. I have however tried to contact a company about their materials and they refuse to answer me. They won't even tell me if ... More
Well, that doesn't seem right. You need to know the material to write the review. (Although, I wouldn't recommend setting on fire to find out. )

You might want to put in a support ticket and see if Eden can get you the info you need. Companies should respond to emails, I'd be suspect of companies who don't.
03/29/2012
Illusional Illusional
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Originally posted by Beck
I am agree. We do need to be careful with doing so. I have only done it when I questioned the material and out of curiosity. I have however tried to contact a company about their materials and they refuse to answer me. They won't even tell me if ... More
Jeez, that sounds super shady...
03/29/2012
Beck Beck
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Well, that doesn't seem right. You need to know the material to write the review. (Although, I wouldn't recommend setting on fire to find out. )

You might want to put in a support ticket and see if Eden can get you the info you need. ... More
I was thinking about it. It is a male masturbator and I believe it is porous as it is a skin like material. But the only thing my box tells me is that it is called Pleasure Flesh and it is latex and phthalate free. That is not much information.
03/29/2012
Ciao. Ciao.
I'm guessing the flame test for some is as much for dramatic effect as it is for actual informative purposes. It's not something I would ever do as a part of a review, and is definitely not something that should be done indoors in a regular home (both because of the risk of toxic fumes and the obvious risk of starting a fire).

I do think accurate material information from companies is really important to have, and that they should be willing to respond honestly to inquiries. A lot of people here are rightly concerned about materials and their quality and in the case of material allergies have some serious needs for accurate information.
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Ciao.
I'm guessing the flame test for some is as much for dramatic effect as it is for actual informative purposes. It's not something I would ever do as a part of a review, and is definitely not something that should be done indoors in a regular ... More
Absolutely.

Flame testing can only tell you ONE material your toy isn't. I just think I'm seeing it done entirely too much, for things that are obviously not silicone.

I'm concerned about people's health and safety.

I wouldn't do a review on a toy whose material I didn't know. I'd rather not do the review, than risk using an "iffy" material. Most toys are clearly labeled, though.
03/29/2012
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
I am so happy you posted this! Yes, there is no real need to flame test toys, if a person is that worried (Like they want to share with different partners) it is much better, and safer, to just buy another toy or use a condom. Like P'gell said, some of the fumes can be toxic and a fire from say TPR will not easily be put out, can you say ABC fire extinguisher?

If a person is really that worried about a questionable material, just send the company an email and ask them. Most, if not all, will be more than happy to give you the info you need.

Really, if you wan to see something burn, just send me a note and I will be happy to do it for you. I not only have lots of experience with fire but I also have all the safety equipment to go with it.
03/29/2012
Illusional Illusional
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I am so happy you posted this! Yes, there is no real need to flame test toys, if a person is that worried (Like they want to share with different partners) it is much better, and safer, to just buy another toy or use a condom. Like P'gell said, ... More
Thanks Tim!
03/29/2012
underHim underHim
I agree also. I do not push the limits on things like that, I also do not submerge my toys to make sure they are waterproof. I hope they are telling the truth and then do not push my luck by testing myself.
03/29/2012
unfulfilled unfulfilled
Tim you're the best. I don't flame test anything. I've never considered it as that important. I'm the only one using the toy so I don't have to worry about contamination. Yes, I'd like to know for a fact that my silicone toy is really silicone, but I'm not going to burn it to test its validity.
03/29/2012
Buttercup Green Buttercup Green
I have only flame tested once before. We did it outside where it couldn't hurt anyone, and we had a fire extinguisher with us as well. I was so scared something was going to happen that I vowed never to do it again.
Now, I just contact the company. I also agree that flame testing should not be taken lightly. If you can't take the necessary safety precautions, don't do it. Simple as that.

I am sure Tim would be happy to receive a list of stuff to blow up!
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by ToyTimeTim
I am so happy you posted this! Yes, there is no real need to flame test toys, if a person is that worried (Like they want to share with different partners) it is much better, and safer, to just buy another toy or use a condom. Like P'gell said, ... More
Thank you, Tim.

I appreciate it. We all do.
03/29/2012
Silverdrop Silverdrop
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Originally posted by Beck
I was thinking about it. It is a male masturbator and I believe it is porous as it is a skin like material. But the only thing my box tells me is that it is called Pleasure Flesh and it is latex and phthalate free. That is not much information.
Write the review with the information you have, and message Eden staff to do the follow up.
03/29/2012
Silverdrop Silverdrop
And I agree that flame testing should be discouraged. I did it once, and only thought it through later and realized how dangerous it was, and how awful I'd have felt if I'd burned down a building with 8 flats in it, possibly injuring or killing people, over a $25 toy!
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Silverdrop
And I agree that flame testing should be discouraged. I did it once, and only thought it through later and realized how dangerous it was, and how awful I'd have felt if I'd burned down a building with 8 flats in it, possibly injuring or ... More
EEEEK! I would likewise hate to lose a home over something like this. But, I saw that people did it twice just today and I don't want new reviewers to think it's something they are expected to do.

I'm glad you and your family and everybody else are all OK.
03/29/2012
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by P'Gell
Thank you, Tim.

I appreciate it. We all do.
You are more than welcome. Thank you, again, for posting this. I sure hope everyone see this thread.
03/29/2012
El-Jaro El-Jaro
Thanks for posting this P'Gell! It's bugged me too, people setting dildos aflame just to see if it's TPR silicone instead of silicone. There are easier and safer ways.

I'm as much as a fire bug as anyone (looks at Tim), but setting your vibes on fire is like cutting down a tree to see how old it is.
03/29/2012
Sammi Sammi
I would never flame test, but I love watching Tim set them aflame, and I am waiting anxiously for his truck test
03/29/2012
Rossie Rossie
I'll leave the flame test to Tim.

I'm quite confident with the heat resistant ability of my pure silicone dildos, even if I've never flame tested them. My husband uses silicone coated BBQ thongs over his grill, and nothing has ever happened to it, so I'm sure my pure silicone toys are just as competent.
03/29/2012
tA tA
I thoroughly agree about the flame-testing. It seems impractical and what happens if it's not pure silicone? You throw it out? You'd have a gross singed chunk of toy on your hands and I have to admit, I wouldn't be okay with using a flame-tested toy if it melted or something. ):
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by El-Jaro
Thanks for posting this P'Gell! It's bugged me too, people setting dildos aflame just to see if it's TPR silicone instead of silicone. There are easier and safer ways.

I'm as much as a fire bug as anyone (looks at Tim), but ... More
Thanks, JR. I didn't want to step on any toes, but I felt strongly about to say something. I'm glad you agree, too.
03/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by tA
I thoroughly agree about the flame-testing. It seems impractical and what happens if it's not pure silicone? You throw it out? You'd have a gross singed chunk of toy on your hands and I have to admit, I wouldn't be okay with using a ... More
Exactly, if it's not 100% silicone, you've ruined a toy. As I said, TPR isn't the worst material in the world, and most toys that contain it will tell you. But, it is really flammable and I'm scared someone will get hurt.

Also, then you have a previously useful toy in ruins.
03/29/2012
NurseKitty NurseKitty
Couldn't agree with you more! Leave the pyrotechnics to people who have the facilities and know how to do it. I mean seriously do people not even give thought to how badly they could get hurt from a botched flame test? Or from breathing in some fumes of some unknown substance? Yeesh

Well I guess that why I still have a job
03/30/2012
Liz2 Liz2
I don't flame test toys at all, never have. I have a fear of fire so I rarely use open candles other then on a dinner table.
In reality, some of the lingerie and perhaps clothes I wear are more of a fire hazard, I imagine, then any of my toys.
I am very concerned about the materiel & chemicals I put in my body for reasons beyond fire safety.
03/30/2012
lilly555 lilly555
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Originally posted by P'Gell
OK, Toy Time Tim aside (and folks, he's a professional, don't try this at home) I'm starting to wonder if the infatuation of flame testing toys "to see if they're what it says they are" is getting a little out of hand. Am I ... More
Maybe the people who are doing this don't know that flame testing is to see if a toy is 100% silicone? Maybe they just saw it in a review somewhere and thought it was the thing to do. This is sad but if they're new and don't know why this is done its possible.
Yeah I would never do it either way the idea of flame going near my toys bothers me. If it smells I'll write it down in a review but I only get toys that have been reviewed quite a bit so someone else has flame tested for me
03/31/2012
lilly555 lilly555
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Originally posted by Beck
I was thinking about it. It is a male masturbator and I believe it is porous as it is a skin like material. But the only thing my box tells me is that it is called Pleasure Flesh and it is latex and phthalate free. That is not much information.
It sounds like the companies own brand of material. Wouldn't they want to boast about that? The fact that they won't even tell if its porous is super fishy. I agree with P'Gell send in a support ticket since they won't get you the info you need to do a proper review.
03/31/2012
GONE! GONE!
Thank you for saying this. I'm concerned every time a reviewer mentions that they tried to do this and I would hate to see it become an unsafe trend!
03/31/2012
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