Using Transgendered and Transgender...

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so transgendered isn't proper because it's a verb so you wouldn't call someone transgendered..
;____; this is so frustrating it's transgender or trans*gender
08/30/2012
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Mwar Mwar
Oi, I always worry about not offending people...

Thanks for telling us!

PS I love all you LGBT peeps out there, but these labels, and correctness, are killing me!
08/31/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
I have a problem with the misuse of 'transexual.' The sex of someone is genetic, gender is entirely subjective. It's a lot harder to change your sex than gender! (Unless they come up with some new genetic therapy or something.) It bugs me that I've even heard physicians call someone 'transexual' when they're obviously transgender. (It also bugs me with the gender binary, too. You can be male or female sex, but there are more than two genders... The charts need a fill in the blank option if they ask for your gender!)

Thanks for the shout out about the verb VS the noun, though, sometimes some of us take a bit of reminding to get things right. It's not because we don't want to, though!
08/31/2012
sasshole sasshole
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Originally posted by Mwar
Oi, I always worry about not offending people...

Thanks for telling us!

PS I love all you LGBT peeps out there, but these labels, and correctness, are killing me!
Ugh i'm not an lgbt peep, the labels are not killing you. Transgender women and other queer people actually get harassed and killed for existing so don't complain about labels cos it's offensive and you're coming off as really ignorant.
09/03/2012
pirata pirata
i don't think they meant it as ignorant, more like a figure of speech and just being genuinely confused by the words. tbh, you came off rather mean saying it that way
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    I am personally offended by this
09/03/2012
sasshole sasshole
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Originally posted by pirata
i don't think they meant it as ignorant, more like a figure of speech and just being genuinely confused by the words. tbh, you came off rather mean saying it that way
A lot of people don't mean to be ignorant but they are, and i get what you're saying i did come off hars but i don't need someone to tone policy me because i am offended also what i said was true like actual people are getting killed for being visibly trans and i'm not okay with that.
09/04/2012
Mwar Mwar
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Originally posted by sasshole
A lot of people don't mean to be ignorant but they are, and i get what you're saying i did come off hars but i don't need someone to tone policy me because i am offended also what i said was true like actual people are getting killed for ... More
I'm all for pleasant discussion, and I do have an honest question: how does using the wrong word (with good intent) link to the death of an LGBT individual? I don't understand how misunderstanding a word kills someone. I know that hate, the desire to do harm, opportunity, and violence kills someone. I didn't know a faux paus with words did it.

I understand what the first post is saying, but I feel a mishap between words like "trangendered" and "transgender," is a different scenario compared to, say "homosexual" and "faggot."

Intent is different from correctness. I can say "homosexual" in a very derogatory manner, yet I'm correct with label. I can say "transexual" in a questioning manner and convey my unsureness. There is more than a label. A person is more than a label. Everyone should look beyond a word sometimes to see what's really being said.

Also, many other people get killed for existing: women, atheists, those of minority faiths, ethnic minorities and homeless people, to name a few. These are some risk groups that have a higher rate of mortality (hate related) as opposed to the general population. And it's not the unsure ones killing them, it's the "ist" lunatics that are doing it.

Finally, I understand you have the right to call me ignorant. However, you have proven exactly what I said in my first post: you became offended by someone who is incredulous at labels but has good intentions. And if one is to call someone ignorant, it would help one's claim to have proper grammar and spelling.

Good Day
09/04/2012
sasshole sasshole
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Originally posted by Mwar
I'm all for pleasant discussion, and I do have an honest question: how does using the wrong word (with good intent) link to the death of an LGBT individual? I don't understand how misunderstanding a word kills someone. I know that hate, the ... More
Honestly my grammar does not = my intellect, thanks. Anyways just because someone is transgender, queer, or gay does not mean they necessarily fall under the LGBT you claim.
Christ, I am trans* but I don't want to be associated with such a group that isn't inclusive at all. I am aware that asexuals, intersex, and, other non gender conforming people exists. You think just because you said or had good intent means I am not allowed to be affected by your words? even if it is triggering, that's just not fair because it was but trying to justify yourself instead of saying sorry but no continue to derail everything I have said. It's truly fantastic to see you giving me a hard time about basic spelling and grammar.
I didn't know my incorrect spelling oh harsh might offend you of such high intellect because you are so clearly above all
09/04/2012
Mwar Mwar
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Originally posted by sasshole
Honestly my grammar does not = my intellect, thanks. Anyways just because someone is transgender, queer, or gay does not mean they necessarily fall under the LGBT you claim.
Christ, I am trans* but I don't want to be associated with such a ... More
Since this is getting nowhere, I shall make this my last response. And I'll break it down simply:

You didn't answer my question: Does a faux pas of words cause someone to be killed? You state in both posts that trans individuals are being killed. While this is true, in what way is this relevant? What evidence is this for your argument to use proper terminology? Here's a link of common fallacies for reference: Common Fallacies

LGBT is the most common umbrella term for describing homosexual and gender queer individuals. It can be used independently of any group or organization.

In the end, you can choose to be offended or not. There is also a difference between someone making an honest mistake and being malicious. If you choose to be offended most often, it ultimately affects you. That distress is no good for you. It can lead to high blood pressure, headaches, and other stress related symptoms. It can also make you more prone to depression.

If someone feels constantly under pressure or attack, the person may need assistance in coping mechanisms. Or they may just need a second opinion on things. If a person is feeling the weight of such words, malicious or not, they should think about why they feel that way. A counselor can assist in coping mechanisms and help bring a different perspective to things.

No one is "less" for wanting to talk to someone. Everyone on this earth could benefit from counseling, but especially those who are gender queer, etc. They have statistically higher rates of depression and suicide.

Again, people can say mean things, intentional or not. It's what you do in response and how you process it that matters. Are you going to give the other person power over your feelings? Or will you take control? That is a question you need to think of.

Finally, I never would have mentioned grammar if you didn't call me ignorant. Again, you have your right to call me that. I choose not to be offended by it, but I can point it out that it's interestingly hypocritical. The definition of ignorant is a lack of knowledge or education, and lack of grammar can be evidence for it. It's quite ironic.

I would suggest checking out the Ad Hominen fallacy, which faults the individual and not the issue at hand. This is found multiple times in your posts.

I wish you the best.
09/04/2012
sasshole sasshole
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Originally posted by Mwar
Since this is getting nowhere, I shall make this my last response. And I'll break it down simply:

You didn't answer my question: Does a faux pas of words cause someone to be killed? You state in both posts that trans individuals are ... More
my whole point was you being ignorant to the subject. I was triggered and that's not something i choose to be it just happens, i don't care how off my grammar is and i don't even care anymore. I should have just ignored you but trans* people are important to me and stupid little mistakes like that just goes to show how little people even try not to be a jerk or the slightest offensive.

now this is the end of it.
09/05/2012
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