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Contributor: PassionQT PassionQT
I often see this phrase in reviews or ones that say "you WILL have an orgasm using this toy". Personally, I don't like 'guaranteeing' anything in a review. What may work for one person (the reviewer) may not work for someone else.

What's your opinion?
04/18/2011
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Contributor: kelaaa33wish kelaaa33wish
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
I often see this phrase in reviews or ones that say "you WILL have an orgasm using this toy". Personally, I don't like 'guaranteeing' anything in a review. What may work for one person (the reviewer) may not work for someone ... more
I didn't think about that when I wrote the 3 reviews I have done so far, but I agree with you and will keep that in mind when I do my next review. I think cause I was so excited about the hitachi wand I assumed every woman would be, and we all know what assuming about things........... Ty for bringing this up.
04/18/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
I think it's all relative. I understand what you are saying about words "guaranteeing" orgasm or pleasure. Reviewers should understand that every one is different, but at the same time so should the people we write the reviews for. We write these reviews from our own perspective, and people should know and understand that every one is different. That being said, I often say exactly that in my reviews, something to the effect of " Every one is different, but I think most users will be able to enjoy this. "

As long as all the bases are covered and they explain how the toy worked for THEM or how THEY were able to enjoy it, then it's fine to say " It gets the job done ". I think maybe " you WILL come " is a bit too broad of a statement considering some women have never even had an orgasm or they have a very hard time coming period, but again that is my own opinion. Most of the time, there are multiple reviews on a product and each review has it's own rating, so I feel the consumer has enough info to make an informed decision on purchasing. Regardless, even for a brand new product, we should be able to write reviews in our own "voice" and not have to worry about every single detail. That's what makes reviews boring to read as well as tedious to write, trying to put in every detail so people won't vote down your review. I used to do that until there was a post about it and several "veteran" reviewers actually confirmed that EF doesn't REQUIRE all of those damned stats and stuff. This site is full of info and when I read a review I just really want to know if the product works the way it is advertised. I think writing reviews should be taken seriously, but it should still be fun. I guess I went on a rant here, but I see a lot of threads like these. I feel like there is a lot of nit picking here. I think it's great to want to help the reviewers do a better job, but I think it is something that can be talked about with them privately. There are good reviews and bad reviews, but there are a lot in between and I think it's a good mix.
04/18/2011
Contributor: PassionQT PassionQT
Not nickpicking Maiden. I just find it 'could' be a bit misleading. I used to shop this other toy site which had no bad reviews, and trust me, some of the products (in my opinion) were terrible. I tried leaving honest ratings and they wouldn't publish anything that didn't rave about the product. Nice eh? Luckily, EF doesn't do that, but when I see reviews that remind me of how they were written on that site, I most certainly try to see if there are other reviews available so that I can make a sound decision on that same item. I, too, appreciate that there are all types of reviews on here, because if they were all of the "omg, you will cum so hard" variety, I don't know if I could trust shopping here.
04/18/2011
Contributor: Enchantedkitty Enchantedkitty
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
I often see this phrase in reviews or ones that say "you WILL have an orgasm using this toy". Personally, I don't like 'guaranteeing' anything in a review. What may work for one person (the reviewer) may not work for someone ... more
I feel the same way. I know a lot of things other people like i dont
04/18/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
Not nickpicking Maiden. I just find it 'could' be a bit misleading. I used to shop this other toy site which had no bad reviews, and trust me, some of the products (in my opinion) were terrible. I tried leaving honest ratings and they ... more
I definitely agree with you, and think it's a valid point. You have to excuse my PBC (Posts Before Coffee). I tend to be a bit bitchy. I guess just like this is a pet peeve of yours, it's also a pet peeve of mine to see forum topics downing reviews. This one isn't as bad as some of the others, but I just feel that there is a rating system for a reason. I think this community does a good job of voting appropriately for the most part, and consumers should be able to get what they want out of a review or read others. If it's a crappy review, it will get voted accordingly.

That being said, I would just send someone a message if you think they should have worded it differently. I had a lot of helpful criticism in the beginning, and maybe they would appreciate it. I know we have the Mentor Program, but that might be intimidating to some. I deal with a lot of passive aggressive people in my life, so this kind of stuff just irks me to no end. lol Again, this is not your fault. I just feel like we should be more proactive in trying to help reviewers, instead of all the forum posts I see that generalize. If I vote anything less than useful on a review, I try to tell them why in the comments in a gentle and constructive way. I also message people when I see something that raises a red flag in my mind, like some one talking about sharing a jelly toy but not mentioning condoms.
04/19/2011
Contributor: leatherjacket leatherjacket
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
I often see this phrase in reviews or ones that say "you WILL have an orgasm using this toy". Personally, I don't like 'guaranteeing' anything in a review. What may work for one person (the reviewer) may not work for someone ... more
I completely agree with you. Considering the intimate nature of toys,if you were someone having trouble having orgasms, it would be even more disappointing if you tried the toy and it didn't work-- yet again.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
You have to assume that the reviewer is writing from their individual experience. If it got them off - they have every right to say so.

The phase 'your mileage will vary' is implied. As the reader of the review it's up to you to decide if the toy is interesting or promising enough for you to try.

We're not going to start sanctioning peoples speech here because it isn't precise enough for some. Exercise your judgement, I'm sure your very capable of interpreting the information.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
Quote:
Originally posted by Gunsmoke
You have to assume that the reviewer is writing from their individual experience. If it got them off - they have every right to say so.



The phase 'your mileage will vary' is implied. As the reader of the review it's up to ... more
You were able to say it so much better than I, but this is exactly my point.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Jobthingy Jobthingy
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
Not nickpicking Maiden. I just find it 'could' be a bit misleading. I used to shop this other toy site which had no bad reviews, and trust me, some of the products (in my opinion) were terrible. I tried leaving honest ratings and they ... more
That is mental. I am so glad we have honest reviews here, good and bad.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Jobthingy Jobthingy
Quote:
Originally posted by Gunsmoke
You have to assume that the reviewer is writing from their individual experience. If it got them off - they have every right to say so.



The phase 'your mileage will vary' is implied. As the reader of the review it's up to ... more
For us, it is fine to exercise our judgment. In fact, it is sort of a given. I can see what Passion QT is saying though because if any random person that knows nothing about toys reads that it will guarantee them an orgasm, and it does not, i am sure they would be pretty bummed about it? no?
04/19/2011
Contributor: Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
(EF Review Program Mentor)
Sometimes the problem is people have the mistaken view that we are trying to help EF by selling the product. The purpose of these reviews is to provide honest feedback about the toys offered here. Lots of times our reviews actually determine what toys are reordered and what is let go. It keeps things very dynamic and fluid, which is the only help EF really needs.
Telling someone you WILL orgasm from this is a bit much and seems a bit commercial unless you are saying the product is SO amazing that you can't imagine anyone having problems using it.
Gunsmoke it right, though, generally the reader should know their body and habits well enough to know whether something will work if the review is descriptive enough for that purpose.
Enthusiasm is one thing...infomercial is something totally different! LOL
04/19/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
Jobthingy & Arien - I think we all agree on this, it's just a question of how we express our viewpoint.

Reviews are opinions - even if recommendations are made. These recommendations should be considered nothing more than enthusiastic opinions.

We are each responsible for what we buy.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
Quote:
Originally posted by Jobthingy
For us, it is fine to exercise our judgment. In fact, it is sort of a given. I can see what Passion QT is saying though because if any random person that knows nothing about toys reads that it will guarantee them an orgasm, and it does not, i am sure ... more
I agree with this as well, but... the same person who will read a review that says "this WILL make you come" and believe it without reading any other reviews to be sure, is the same type of person that is ultimately going to make the same impulsive shopping decisions whether it be sex toys or groceries for that matter. These same people are going to be disappointed over and over again. AT LEAST ON EF there is more of a chance that they will read an honest review and be better informed than on those other sites previously mentioned.

As I stated before, I think reviewers who make statements like "You WILL come hard" etc. should be messaged by kind reviewers to help them understand why. If they even see this thread, which they may never, it may only serve to intimidate them more. I'm not disagreeing with Passion QT, she makes a valid point. I just think that threads like these intimidate shy newcomers, and there have been many.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
Quote:
Originally posted by Gunsmoke
Jobthingy & Arien - I think we all agree on this, it's just a question of how we express our viewpoint.



Reviews are opinions - even if recommendations are made. These recommendations should be considered nothing more than ... more
Exactly.



If your goal with this forum topic was to help reviewers, I just feel like it didn't come off that way. If you want to help them, go to the source and offer them some friendly advice.



I'm sorry if I seem defensive, it's just that I have brought friends to this site who have been intimidated in these forums, as well as through the reviews they have written getting nit picked to death. I was so excited and proud to show my friends this wonderful site, only to have them tell me "They act like they are sex toy/reviewing GODS and us bottom feeding noobs just get on their nerves."



Thankfully, I have been able to mentor them myself and a few have actually stayed on the site. I was able to show them that most of us are pretty nice and cool and will do anything to help them out. Sadly though, two have left because they got that bad first impression. It makes me wonder how many people have been intimidated in that same way.
04/19/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
Quote:
Originally posted by Maiden
Exactly.







If your goal with this forum topic was to help reviewers, I just feel like it didn't come off that way. If you want to help them, go to the source and offer them some friendly advice. ... more
Interesting insights.

If you've been here a while you're a little desensitized to direct opinion. We tend to just say what's on our minds and move on. When I see something that doesn't sound 'right' to me, I often check the age of the commentator. Since I'm a seasoned citizen, some of the comments from younger members seem naive - but that's to be expected - I was certainly naive at that age as well.

BTW - although not from KY, I did live in Lvl for 6 years and my in-laws are all there!

We're not really snobs - but we are opinionated!
04/19/2011
Contributor: ScottA ScottA
Quote:
Originally posted by PassionQT
Not nickpicking Maiden. I just find it 'could' be a bit misleading. I used to shop this other toy site which had no bad reviews, and trust me, some of the products (in my opinion) were terrible. I tried leaving honest ratings and they ... more
I always try to look for other reviews, even if one is very good or very bad. Things work different for different people.

I'd personally stay away from guaranteeing something, again because of the differences.
04/20/2011
Contributor: Maiden Maiden
Quote:
Originally posted by Gunsmoke
Interesting insights.



If you've been here a while you're a little desensitized to direct opinion. We tend to just say what's on our minds and move on. When I see something that doesn't sound 'right' to me, I ... more
I lived in Louisville most of my life. I moved to Maine for a few years, but came back to Louisville. My whole family lives there and always has. I moved out here to the country when I got pregnant. My man's family lives out here and they had enough land to let him get a house built out here. It's really nice compared to Louisville.
04/20/2011
Contributor: Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Maiden
I lived in Louisville most of my life. I moved to Maine for a few years, but came back to Louisville. My whole family lives there and always has. I moved out here to the country when I got pregnant. My man's family lives out here and they had ... more
Nice - good luck to you and your family.
04/20/2011