I am a Christian and was wondering if there are others here at Eden? I ask because I kind of struggle with what would be considered "normal" sexual desires with my faith. What are your thoughts? This is a post to bash anyone's faith.
Any Christians here?
03/22/2011
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I hope you mean this is not a post to bash anyone's faith.
Originally posted by
kfdarling1375
I am a Christian and was wondering if there are others here at Eden? I ask because I kind of struggle with what would be considered "normal" sexual desires with my faith. What are your thoughts? This is a post to bash anyone's faith.
03/22/2011
I'm a Christian. God gave us sex as something to be pleasurable to us. Don't ever feel bad for your desires.
03/22/2011
Im a christian. I am little confused about your post. Did you mean "un-normal"?
03/23/2011
Yes sorry not to bash others faith and unnormal/kinky sex.
03/23/2011
I am a Christian. I believe God gave my husband and I to each other for each others pleasure and companionship. I believe whatever we do sexually, within the confines of our marriage, is perfectly acceptable and blessed, kinky or not. The Bible has a lot to say in regards to "knowing" one's spouse. It even addresses oral sex.
03/23/2011
I'm a Christian and I feel that it caused me to stay away from exploring anything sexual for years, and I do regret that. You shouldn't feel guilty for the thoughts you have.
03/23/2011
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Ditto, word for word.
Originally posted by
Redboxbaby
I am a Christian. I believe God gave my husband and I to each other for each others pleasure and companionship. I believe whatever we do sexually, within the confines of our marriage, is perfectly acceptable and blessed, kinky or not. The Bible
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I am a Christian. I believe God gave my husband and I to each other for each others pleasure and companionship. I believe whatever we do sexually, within the confines of our marriage, is perfectly acceptable and blessed, kinky or not. The Bible has a lot to say in regards to "knowing" one's spouse. It even addresses oral sex.
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03/23/2011
I was raised Catholic, and although I don't really like what they have made up to scare people about sex, I do like what that Jewish Carpenter had to say! He was a smart guy and seemed to be a really nice guy.
I have my faith and I don't think it clashes with my sexual behavior. I don't belong to an organized religion, as My Man and I decided that we don't need to give someone a bunch of money to make us feel guilty about perfectly normal behaviors, just so they can have the upper hand.
I like JC, but I am not fond of organized religion.
I've read the Bible and it doesn't say anywhere "Thou shalt not please thyself or others with silicone, vibrating vessels." Nor does it say, "Thou shalt resist the urge to play a little spanky and handcuffy with thine lover. For it hath been an abomination unto You Know Who." Nor have I read, "Thou shalt not treat thine butt like a conception canal. Nor shalt thou derive pleasure from doing so to others." I haven''t seen any of those, so I'm OK.
I have my faith and I don't think it clashes with my sexual behavior. I don't belong to an organized religion, as My Man and I decided that we don't need to give someone a bunch of money to make us feel guilty about perfectly normal behaviors, just so they can have the upper hand.
I like JC, but I am not fond of organized religion.
I've read the Bible and it doesn't say anywhere "Thou shalt not please thyself or others with silicone, vibrating vessels." Nor does it say, "Thou shalt resist the urge to play a little spanky and handcuffy with thine lover. For it hath been an abomination unto You Know Who." Nor have I read, "Thou shalt not treat thine butt like a conception canal. Nor shalt thou derive pleasure from doing so to others." I haven''t seen any of those, so I'm OK.
03/23/2011
I definitely am a Christan, and I think it is important to separate what is clearly articulated in scripture from what is added on. Biblically we are pretty much commanded to enjoy our spouses sexually, and really the only limitations put on it is that we save the sexual relationship for our spouse and that we honor our spouse within the sexual relationship. This might mean putting off asking for something we know our partner is uncomfortable with, or trying to open ourselves to something that we may be a bit uncomfortable with that our partner is interested in. This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there.
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed".
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed".
03/23/2011
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Awesome reply Scott! Thank you very much. I have been in seminary school and know the Bible pretty well. My feelings come out of concern about masturbation and whether or not it is ok in the first place. Some people preach that is a form of idolatry, but then again, the Bible never specifically talks about masturbation.
Originally posted by
ScottA
I definitely am a Christan, and I think it is important to separate what is clearly articulated in scripture from what is added on. Biblically we are pretty much commanded to enjoy our spouses sexually, and really the only limitations put on it is
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I definitely am a Christan, and I think it is important to separate what is clearly articulated in scripture from what is added on. Biblically we are pretty much commanded to enjoy our spouses sexually, and really the only limitations put on it is that we save the sexual relationship for our spouse and that we honor our spouse within the sexual relationship. This might mean putting off asking for something we know our partner is uncomfortable with, or trying to open ourselves to something that we may be a bit uncomfortable with that our partner is interested in. This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there.
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed". less
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed". less
03/23/2011
I used to call myself Christian.
Cancer took my spouse along with my faith.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anybody else having faith. I just don't have it anymore, myself.
Cancer took my spouse along with my faith.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anybody else having faith. I just don't have it anymore, myself.
03/23/2011
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i am a christian too & am married to a wonderful man who i love alot. nothing wrong with having sexual relations in marriage as much as u want/need, don't get anyone but your spouse and your self involved.then it would be wrong if someone else was init
Originally posted by
kfdarling1375
I am a Christian and was wondering if there are others here at Eden? I ask because I kind of struggle with what would be considered "normal" sexual desires with my faith. What are your thoughts? This is a post to bash anyone's faith.
03/24/2011
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Right. Onan's only sin was refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife, when the child would be considered his brother's child, not his. He wasn't masturbating and it wasn't the use of "birth control" (spilling his seed in the dust) it was refusing to follow ancient Hebrew Law which required the next brother to give a child to the dead brother's wife, to be the dead brother's child, legally and unto God.
Originally posted by
kfdarling1375
Awesome reply Scott! Thank you very much. I have been in seminary school and know the Bible pretty well. My feelings come out of concern about masturbation and whether or not it is ok in the first place. Some people preach that is a form of
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Awesome reply Scott! Thank you very much. I have been in seminary school and know the Bible pretty well. My feelings come out of concern about masturbation and whether or not it is ok in the first place. Some people preach that is a form of idolatry, but then again, the Bible never specifically talks about masturbation.
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So many people think the story of Onan is about masturbation and birth control. When it really about an archaic Hebraic Law that doesn't even apply to us.
03/24/2011
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I'm so sorry.
Originally posted by
RonLee
I used to call myself Christian.
Cancer took my spouse along with my faith.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anybody else having faith. I just don't have it anymore, myself.
Cancer took my spouse along with my faith.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anybody else having faith. I just don't have it anymore, myself.
My best friend lost her long time husband to cancer just a few months ago. The pain is unbearable.
Please accept my condolences.
03/24/2011
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I'm on the same page as you P-Gell. Also raised Catholic and now we are doing our own thing.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
I was raised Catholic, and although I don't really like what they have made up to scare people about sex, I do like what that Jewish Carpenter had to say! He was a smart guy and seemed to be a really nice guy.
I have my faith and I ... more
I have my faith and I ... more
I was raised Catholic, and although I don't really like what they have made up to scare people about sex, I do like what that Jewish Carpenter had to say! He was a smart guy and seemed to be a really nice guy.
I have my faith and I don't think it clashes with my sexual behavior. I don't belong to an organized religion, as My Man and I decided that we don't need to give someone a bunch of money to make us feel guilty about perfectly normal behaviors, just so they can have the upper hand.
I like JC, but I am not fond of organized religion.
I've read the Bible and it doesn't say anywhere "Thou shalt not please thyself or others with silicone, vibrating vessels." Nor does it say, "Thou shalt resist the urge to play a little spanky and handcuffy with thine lover. For it hath been an abomination unto You Know Who." Nor have I read, "Thou shalt not treat thine butt like a conception canal. Nor shalt thou derive pleasure from doing so to others." I haven''t seen any of those, so I'm OK. less
I have my faith and I don't think it clashes with my sexual behavior. I don't belong to an organized religion, as My Man and I decided that we don't need to give someone a bunch of money to make us feel guilty about perfectly normal behaviors, just so they can have the upper hand.
I like JC, but I am not fond of organized religion.
I've read the Bible and it doesn't say anywhere "Thou shalt not please thyself or others with silicone, vibrating vessels." Nor does it say, "Thou shalt resist the urge to play a little spanky and handcuffy with thine lover. For it hath been an abomination unto You Know Who." Nor have I read, "Thou shalt not treat thine butt like a conception canal. Nor shalt thou derive pleasure from doing so to others." I haven''t seen any of those, so I'm OK. less
03/24/2011
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I'll second that ditto!
Originally posted by
ToyTimeTim
Ditto, word for word.
03/30/2011
I think God is cool with us getting freaknasty with our spouses. I think he would even encourage it.
04/08/2011
I am christian and I used to struggle with the concept of faith and sex. But I firmly believe that since I am with the man I love and we have a healthy relationship and love and care about each other, then it is perfectly fine to have sex and enjoy each other. I believe that God would want that.
04/08/2011
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I'm right there with ya! I have similar struggles. I know where my faith stands and it stays strong, but that doesn't mean I can't like sex or sex toys. However, it does mean other things and I have no problem keeping myself in control. You know, just the norm. Nothing too obscene.
Originally posted by
kfdarling1375
I am a Christian and was wondering if there are others here at Eden? I ask because I kind of struggle with what would be considered "normal" sexual desires with my faith. What are your thoughts? This is a post to bash anyone's faith.
04/19/2011
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I feel the same
Originally posted by
PiratePrincess
I am christian and I used to struggle with the concept of faith and sex. But I firmly believe that since I am with the man I love and we have a healthy relationship and love and care about each other, then it is perfectly fine to have sex and enjoy
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I am christian and I used to struggle with the concept of faith and sex. But I firmly believe that since I am with the man I love and we have a healthy relationship and love and care about each other, then it is perfectly fine to have sex and enjoy each other. I believe that God would want that.
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04/19/2011
We are Christian, happy Easter week to everyone who celebrates this sacred event. As others have said, being Christian does not in my opinion keep you from doing anything sexually, so long as it is with your spouse and it is done with mutual love and respect. I personally believe the only thing we are forbidden from doing is going outside the marriage. That to me means that if my wife likes being spanked, and I am doing it for her pleasure and with her wishes, that is ok. However, for me to spank her because I wanted to and she did not would not be acceptable, as it would not be honoring and respecting her.
04/22/2011
YES!!!!!!! I am a Christian! Since I am still a newlywed, I have NO idea still about what to do for sex. I'm still learning. My husband thinks it's funny that I go on here. I'm glad that he is a good sport. I wanted to know though if any of you think : Are sex toys bad in God's eyes? Like, since I am married, is it a sin to use them when I'm not with him or if he's away? I have really been struggling with that for a while.
04/26/2011
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"This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there. "
Originally posted by
ScottA
I definitely am a Christan, and I think it is important to separate what is clearly articulated in scripture from what is added on. Biblically we are pretty much commanded to enjoy our spouses sexually, and really the only limitations put on it is
...
more
I definitely am a Christan, and I think it is important to separate what is clearly articulated in scripture from what is added on. Biblically we are pretty much commanded to enjoy our spouses sexually, and really the only limitations put on it is that we save the sexual relationship for our spouse and that we honor our spouse within the sexual relationship. This might mean putting off asking for something we know our partner is uncomfortable with, or trying to open ourselves to something that we may be a bit uncomfortable with that our partner is interested in. This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there.
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed". less
Nowhere is oral or anal sex forbidden (there are hints of oral sex in the Song of Solomon), nor is general masturbation or toys addressed (and since they're not a recent invention it probably would have been addressed. You may need to be a bit careful of your thoughts while doing it so it doesn't become mental adultery). The "sex is nasty and acceptable for reproduction only" viewpoint really isn't Christian at all - it comes over from Greek thought and the Gnostic heresy.
There are some good resources out there that are from a sex-positive Christian viewpoint, such as the Christian Nymphos blog and the forum "The Marriage Bed". less
Thank you so much for putting that up there. I have been struggling with that and my husband doesn't seem to understand. He knows that I have been assulted and those things, but he seems to think that it shoudn't matter since I am with him now and that he wouldn't hurt me like that. I just go with it even though I am not comfortable. That gives me a new look on it. Thank you!
04/26/2011
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I couldn't agree more.
Originally posted by
Redboxbaby
I am a Christian. I believe God gave my husband and I to each other for each others pleasure and companionship. I believe whatever we do sexually, within the confines of our marriage, is perfectly acceptable and blessed, kinky or not. The Bible
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more
I am a Christian. I believe God gave my husband and I to each other for each others pleasure and companionship. I believe whatever we do sexually, within the confines of our marriage, is perfectly acceptable and blessed, kinky or not. The Bible has a lot to say in regards to "knowing" one's spouse. It even addresses oral sex.
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04/26/2011
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Dancer, you asked: "Are sex toys bad in God's eyes?" From my reading of Scripture, no, there is nothing wrong with sex toys. Masturbation is not even talked about in the Bible (see my comments on Onan, which were concerning his refusal to "give" his dead brother a son through his brother's wife. His refusal to do so was his sin, NOT his spilling seed, nor masturbation.) Neither are vessels of sexual pleasure addressed in the Bible. There is a lot of stuff in Deuteronomy and Leviticus (much of it outdated and only directed at Ancient Hebrew Law, not to those of us living now) but not even Deuteronomy and Leviticus discuss sex toys (and the ancients DID have them, made from wood, stone, metal and even leather) so I am thinking IF it was a problem, it would have been addressed then and there, when God had Moses's attention.
Originally posted by
DancerLove
YES!!!!!!! I am a Christian! Since I am still a newlywed, I have NO idea still about what to do for sex. I'm still learning. My husband thinks it's funny that I go on here. I'm glad that he is a good sport. I wanted to know though if any
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more
YES!!!!!!! I am a Christian! Since I am still a newlywed, I have NO idea still about what to do for sex. I'm still learning. My husband thinks it's funny that I go on here. I'm glad that he is a good sport. I wanted to know though if any of you think : Are sex toys bad in God's eyes? Like, since I am married, is it a sin to use them when I'm not with him or if he's away? I have really been struggling with that for a while.
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Don't you think it would have been addressed, if it had been a problem? Why would God care how we pleasure ourselves, as long as we do it with care and love and consent?
04/26/2011
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Your husband shouldn't expect you to accept impact play (an other word for "spanking" ) if you do not feel comfortable with it. Every person is different. I have had abuse in my past, too. I have dealt with it, and have moved on. Everyone is in a different place in their recovery, and where you are in your sexual development should be respected.
Originally posted by
DancerLove
"This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there. "
Thank you so much for putting that up there. I have been ... more
Thank you so much for putting that up there. I have been ... more
"This changes depending on the individuals - P'gell is fine with spanking, but if your partner has been abused it's probably better to not go there. "
Thank you so much for putting that up there. I have been struggling with that and my husband doesn't seem to understand. He knows that I have been assulted and those things, but he seems to think that it shoudn't matter since I am with him now and that he wouldn't hurt me like that. I just go with it even though I am not comfortable. That gives me a new look on it. Thank you! less
Thank you so much for putting that up there. I have been struggling with that and my husband doesn't seem to understand. He knows that I have been assulted and those things, but he seems to think that it shoudn't matter since I am with him now and that he wouldn't hurt me like that. I just go with it even though I am not comfortable. That gives me a new look on it. Thank you! less
Sit down with your man and discuss WHY you feel so uncomfortable with this type of play. Let him know you DO trust him, but at the moment, impact play is just too close to your abuse for you to enjoy it.
Let him know this may change in the future (as we should always be working on ourselves as good humans, good partners and good sexual beings) but right now, it simply is too fresh and may harm you emotionally. He should understand that.
I found good therapy and self introspection helped me overcome a load of abuse issues. They are no longer leaning on my sexual self, nor my emotional self, but I did have to work to learn how to let this stuff go. Some of it was done with a therapist, much of it was done alone. Only you will know, once you try, what works for your recovery.
Peace and good luck and good love to you.
04/26/2011
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Thank you. We are planning to go to a marriage counselor and that would help too. And the other thing is, he isn't a Christian. He's doing better at not doing anything I don't want to do. And it's actually not the spanking, it's anal. He sometimes tries to force it it seems like and I later talked to him about it. His complaint is "Well, you used to like it" type of thing, but I reeally didn't. I just did it because he wanted to do it so bad. We both agreed to not do anything like that again, but he still tries sometimes. I just don't understand. But thank you so much.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
Your husband shouldn't expect you to accept impact play (an other word for "spanking" ) if you do not feel comfortable with it. Every person is different. I have had abuse in my past, too. I have dealt with it, and have moved on.
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Your husband shouldn't expect you to accept impact play (an other word for "spanking" ) if you do not feel comfortable with it. Every person is different. I have had abuse in my past, too. I have dealt with it, and have moved on. Everyone is in a different place in their recovery, and where you are in your sexual development should be respected.
Sit down with your man and discuss WHY you feel so uncomfortable with this type of play. Let him know you DO trust him, but at the moment, impact play is just too close to your abuse for you to enjoy it.
Let him know this may change in the future (as we should always be working on ourselves as good humans, good partners and good sexual beings) but right now, it simply is too fresh and may harm you emotionally. He should understand that.
I found good therapy and self introspection helped me overcome a load of abuse issues. They are no longer leaning on my sexual self, nor my emotional self, but I did have to work to learn how to let this stuff go. Some of it was done with a therapist, much of it was done alone. Only you will know, once you try, what works for your recovery.
Peace and good luck and good love to you. less
Sit down with your man and discuss WHY you feel so uncomfortable with this type of play. Let him know you DO trust him, but at the moment, impact play is just too close to your abuse for you to enjoy it.
Let him know this may change in the future (as we should always be working on ourselves as good humans, good partners and good sexual beings) but right now, it simply is too fresh and may harm you emotionally. He should understand that.
I found good therapy and self introspection helped me overcome a load of abuse issues. They are no longer leaning on my sexual self, nor my emotional self, but I did have to work to learn how to let this stuff go. Some of it was done with a therapist, much of it was done alone. Only you will know, once you try, what works for your recovery.
Peace and good luck and good love to you. less
04/27/2011
I am a Christian, and believe that Jesus died for our sins. I long to find a man to love who will love me back. Someone who I can share with and have sex with. The main thing to me is that the sex be meaningful and done with love and mutual respect. I get so lonely and afraid sometimes. Will I be alone the rest of my life? I pray not.
05/07/2011
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I was going to echo this sentiment myself. I can understand your loss of faith in the midst of such unbearable pain...I hope you can find peace and solace and some firm ground again. I cannot even imagine your pain and even though I am a minister I know my faith would more than likely be rocked by watching my loved ones suffer and die.
Originally posted by
P'Gell
I'm so sorry.
My best friend lost her long time husband to cancer just a few months ago. The pain is unbearable.
Please accept my condolences.
My best friend lost her long time husband to cancer just a few months ago. The pain is unbearable.
Please accept my condolences.
You aren't alone...even here. Namaste
05/07/2011