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Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Adam and Kevin, this is simply gorgeous. I cannot WAIT to get my hands on one.
03/23/2010
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Victoria Victoria
Yeah, guys! What took you FIVE YEARS to share this one?! What a great idea! Very smart of you to patent it. You better make a bunch of them
03/23/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
I dunno about this. I'll be sad if this patent means the ChillDils project has to be canceled, since I knew about it first and really wanted one.
03/23/2010
Gary Gary
Killer Video!
03/23/2010
LuLu Love LuLu Love
Hey that's a good idea! I love my glass toy and this would be an amazing accessory. I can never stick it in the fridge since I live with other people and having a glass of warm or cold water is just a pain.
03/23/2010
MuffysPinguLove MuffysPinguLove
wow these look spiffy!
03/23/2010
Victoria Victoria
Yeah, it's as announced on AVN 4 years ago, but must have been back-burnered for a bit or optioned by someone...dunno (Adam, what took so long? ). Just glad that they made it in the first place!
03/23/2010
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
I am WAY excited about this one. Temperature play and glass toys go so well together--hooray no more spilled ice bucket! I wonder if there's a limit to how much heat/cold it can hold?
03/23/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Victoria
Yeah, it's as announced on AVN 4 years ago, but must have been back-burnered for a bit or optioned by someone...dunno (Adam, what took so long? ). Just glad that they made it in the first place! ... More
There are actually plenty of them still available in the marketplace, mostly in brick and mortar stores, I would imagine. We just haven't had any to ship and never remanufactured them after the first couple of runs. We used to sell a ton of them...just had so many things on our plate with glass being our bread and butter. We also sold a lot of these as private label items, so unless someone knew that XHale was the manufacturer, it would have been a mystery Now that the glass lawsuit is said and done and the rest of the glass manufacturers are in full force again with their glass lines, we felt it would be a good time to start making them again. They were always a great seller and a very unique item.
03/23/2010
Sir Sir
Those look wonderful, and beautiful! I agree, Carrie Ann, I'd love to get my hands on one of those, too!
03/23/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Victoria
Yeah, guys! What took you FIVE YEARS to share this one?! What a great idea! Very smart of you to patent it. You better make a bunch of them
They have been on our retail site for almost six years if I'mdoing my math correctly. Unfortunately, we've been out of stock and just hadn't any more. I actually received an order a few months ago on our website, and it reminded me that we were still showing it as in stock and available---forgot to pull that item down. We are excited to get these going again!!
03/23/2010
Sundae Sundae
These look pretty darn awesome. I hope they can be giant warming socks in winter...I don't deal with the cold well!

On the topic of things that might come into stock, any hints on when/if we'll see the fader plugs being stocked here?
03/23/2010
Sammi Sammi
These do look great!
03/23/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Gary
Killer Video!
Thanks Gary We had a lot of fun with the video. I think I watched it a thousand times myself
03/23/2010
carnivalesq carnivalesq
I won't be purchasing this because they're tanking ChillDils.

THATTOYCHICK FOR THE WIN.

This is ridiculous. And you all know it.
03/23/2010
Sassybunny85 Sassybunny85
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Originally posted by carnivalesq
I won't be purchasing this because they're tanking ChillDils.

THATTOYCHICK FOR THE WIN.

This is ridiculous. And you all know it.
Did you not read Adam's comment where he said "They have been on our retail site for almost six years if I'mdoing my math correctly."?

I did some searching, and ChilDils have not been on the market very long. I found this on their blog - "Launching in Late November/Early December 2009".

If anything, thattoychick is using their idea. Please check your facts before telling people it's ridiculous.
03/23/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Sundae
These look pretty darn awesome. I hope they can be giant warming socks in winter...I don't deal with the cold well!

On the topic of things that might come into stock, any hints on when/if we'll see the fader plugs being stocked here?
Sundae-I apologize that the faders are not available. You aren't the first person to inquire either. Unfortunately, the purchasing department has not picked them up yet. Send an email to customer service, maybe?!? If there is a demand,I'm sure they will come through.
I'd prefer you to spend your money right here, on EdenFantasys, but if time is of urgency, you should be able to find them right around the corner at an XHale preferred reseller (links can be found on our website).

They are very pretty and one of my favorites!
03/23/2010
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
Sundae-I apologize that the faders are not available. You aren't the first person to inquire either. Unfortunately, the purchasing department has not picked them up yet. Send an email to customer service, maybe?!? If there is a ... More
Adam - we have your Gold Twist with Handle link and love it! A very functional artwork - I'd love to review it but I don't see it on EF.

Not everyone understands the advantages of a handle on a slippery glass toy - especially for partner play. it's the only way I can keep the g-spot curve actually pointed at my partner's g-spot.

I sure hope EF starts carrying more of your great products.
03/23/2010
Epiphora Epiphora
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Originally posted by Sassybunny85
Did you not read Adam's comment where he said "They have been on our retail site for almost six years if I'mdoing my math correctly."?

I did some searching, and ChilDils have not been on the market very long. I found this on ... More
ThatToyChick did not know about Xhale's product when she started ChillDils. Don't assume.
03/23/2010
LicentiouslyYours LicentiouslyYours
These are awesome and it's a great idea to be sure. It's certainly not unheard of for two great minds to come up with the same idea without knowing about the other. I am sure ThatToyChick came up with the idea on her own just as Xhale Glass obviously did, just several years earlier.

This is not the place to accuse anybody of wrongdoing, stealing ideas or anything else nefarious for which we have no proof.


@Adam
I am not entirely sure why someone would object to you selling a product for which you own the patent, but I for one am glad to see it back!
03/24/2010
Sassybunny85 Sassybunny85
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Originally posted by Epiphora
ThatToyChick did not know about Xhale's product when she started ChillDils. Don't assume.
I said if anything. I didn't say she was.
03/24/2010
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Unfortunately, this whole thing is quite distorted by the fact that Chilldils were/are going to be produced by someone in the review/sexblogging community. It's sort of small guy vs big guy.

If it were two large manufacturers, nobody would question one manufacturer bringing up their product and patent when the other manufacturer was about to produce something similar.

It's quite natural for a company to want to protect something they paid tens of thousands to register and patent -- even if it hasn't been available for sale in awhile. That's why people register for patents, to protect their ideas and investments.

I don't think anyone has said anything bad about chilldils or ThatToyChick. It's been my impression that Xhale has simply made sure TTC was aware and abiding by patent laws.

Which, as I started this post with, wouldn't be an issue if it were Don Wands vs Xhale. Nearly everyone would support Xhale's right to protect their investment and invention.

It's the fact that it's personal to a lot of folks that's making it such an inflammatory issue.

Personally? I donated money to Chilldils. I'd buy one if they became available and were not infringing on a patent. But I'll definitely also buy an Xhale bag as soon as they're again available. Just like I buy silicone cocks from Tantus and Vixen and Fun Factory and Whipsider.
03/25/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Unfortunately, this whole thing is quite distorted by the fact that Chilldils were/are going to be produced by someone in the review/sexblogging community. It's sort of small guy vs big guy.

If it were two large manufacturers, nobody ... More
Carrie Ann,

I tossed and turned all night after reading some very inaccurate and upsetting information online regarding myself, as an individual, a product of ours and the Chilldils pouch.

There seems to be a bit of confusion. hopefully, I can clear this up immediately.

We have been receiving order requests on EF for the temperature pouch. I had uploaded the item via the website software and it asked me for a release date. It is a little difficult because EF is not a full line supplier of our product line. We have hundreds of products and not everything is carried on the website. I thought it would be strange to list a release date in 2005, when the product was first made available, so I simply added a date in the near future to eliminate any confusion, and hopefully encourage the company to place an order with us.

The item in question has been selling in the retail world since it was first released at AVN 2005. We shipped a ton of them....the issue right now is that we simply have not re-manufactured for a while. XHale is not just now coming out with this product. The review in AVN was made over a year after the product had already been selling in high volume. (They do not review products that are unavailable for purchase) It is readily available at many stores right here in the States...and has been for years. I need everyone to understand that we don't retail anymore, so when we ship product, it is in high volume, typically, and the inventory lasts for quite a while. I just stopped in a local adult store called Fascinations, a very large chain actually, and they still have them available for purchase. We private labeled these items for Adam and Eve, Good Vibrations, Freddy and Eddy, along with dozens of other adult outlets.


No competitor has ever been issued a legal cease and desist order.

No one has been sued.

And...an offer to license the product under a manufacturing and distribution arrangement was offered----and declined.

The information being posted about the Chilldil being pulled from production was a voluntary action from the company.

There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from making anything.

My gesture to assist in the licensing of the item was taken as a threat..but please understand that this is how ALL business is done. This is a very common way for upstarts to breakthrough in the business, and my intentions were nothing but good.

I apologize if my professional tone in any correspondence has been perceived as threatening. I have never threatened anyone with business.

I originally contacted the company not to start trouble, but to make them aware that there was already a product in the marketplace being manufactured, and because a fundraiser was set up, I thought it would be a responsible thing to bring to someone's attention--the money had not been funded yet..the fundraiser was not even over at the time I contacted Chilldils... and I just was hoping to make the business aware so they could make a decision and inform the donating parties of the situation before they gave up their hard earned money..just didn't want someone already struggling with finances to be faced with angry investors.

We all work together in this industry....its not a battle amongst toy companies, contrary to what many of you may think. We are all friends for the most part and I have always gone out of my way, probably more times than I should have, to lend a hand to someone in need.

If I were Chilldils, I would continue to manufacture the product. It has been made very clear to me that the product is completely different by the owner. Only a court order could stop them...and I am not a judge. I do not personally have the power to stop one's business ventures. I was just trying to help someone achieve their goals faster..many companies would not opt to do this for an upstart.

On a side note, I would have really hoped by now that the people in the online community were able to see that XHale is a friendly company with great business ethics. We are also people, too...and have feelings like all of you. It really hurts me to see so many of you slandering me as a person, when I have been so very kind to many of you in the past.

Thanks for reading.

Remember there are always two sides to every story.
03/25/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
Carrie Ann,

I tossed and turned all night after reading some very inaccurate and upsetting information online regarding myself, as an individual, a product of ours and the Chilldils pouch.

There seems to be a bit of confusion. ... More
thanks for that flag, carnavalesq. I agree with you that we are due an apology, although I do not need one..nor do I expect one from anyone, including yourself for the comment you made to everyone contributing to this thread. People need to stop reading between the lines and start assessing the whole situation. We wanted to help Chilldils with a license that would give them the strength they need to make this a successful product. This was an opportunity for someone with big dreams..its unfortunate it was taken as a threat.
03/26/2010
Darling Dove Darling Dove
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
Carrie Ann,

I tossed and turned all night after reading some very inaccurate and upsetting information online regarding myself, as an individual, a product of ours and the Chilldils pouch.

There seems to be a bit of confusion. ... More
So you would continue to allow ChillDils to produce and sell their product without issue because the product is different from yours?

As far as licensing... As far as I know, asking for royalties for 25,000 units of a product that needed donations just to get off the ground... is not a friendly offer to help get them off the ground and make a strong product.
There ARE two sides to every story, and both sides have something to gain from lying, the difference here is that the other individual cannot come here to defend themselves so you basically get to say whatever you want with no 'official' counter from the owner of ChillDils. So, of course as outsiders looking in, nobody can know if either side is lying but what I can say is that one side has significantly more to LOSE by lying, and that is the financially smaller side. What good would pity from lying do this person? Nothing, it wont pay legal fees or merchandising fees or shipping, it wont recoup their costs and it wont pay the bills. What does XHale have to lose? Not much. XHale is a large and established company that will be carried continuously and bought continuously until the end of the world or until the company chooses to stop. You could say the sky is purple and we will die horrible deaths tomorrow and someone would still be buying an XHale product somewhere not caring. So you can say what you want here, and she cannot respond at all to clear her name. Whereas I am sure she would let you have your piece said, if it were her controlling the situation, and if you did so responsibly.

I'm not saying either one of you is or is not lying, just that one side has considerably more to lose by doing so, so it is less likely for that person, especially considering that they are an individual who certainly has their own monetary obligations outside of this bunch of shenanigans to take care of, to take the risk of lying.

CarrieAnn, honestly yes it would still bother me.
Shit like this between companies, individuals, or companies and individuals is not acceptable and people would speak out either way. At least, I would. Just because I have one bad instance with something does not mean I hate it for the rest of my life. That would be a waste of my time and energy. I'm pretty sure the rest of the community is not that petty either. Give credit where credit is due, we're all adults, not kids playing some favorites game. Oh, and I'll eat my hat if everyone hasn't learned by now that when there's speaking out to do that I'll do it even if it gets me in deep shit.
03/26/2010
carnivalesq carnivalesq
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Originally posted by Adam Burns
thanks for that flag, carnavalesq. I agree with you that we are due an apology, although I do not need one..nor do I expect one from anyone, including yourself for the comment you made to everyone contributing to this thread. People need to stop ... More
There are two sides to each story, and I know them both.

I was not suggesting that you were due an apology, because you are not due an apology in this case. ChillDils is due an apology. You were not offering an opportunity to ChillDills, you were threatening legal action/cease and desist.

I stand by my original statement. Say what you like, but I know and you know the truth.
03/26/2010
~LaUr3n~ ~LaUr3n~
Ok...uh arguments aside. I really liked the video and I would totally buy a glass toy from ANY company that was willing to make it in front of me. How cool wiould that be?!?!?!
03/26/2010
namelesschaos namelesschaos
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Unfortunately, this whole thing is quite distorted by the fact that Chilldils were/are going to be produced by someone in the review/sexblogging community. It's sort of small guy vs big guy.

If it were two large manufacturers, nobody ... More
There is a difference between your hypothetical situation and the current one; I'm assuming in a Big vs. Big guy match up an actual patent number would have been referenced at some point. With out that this entire conversation is based on a good deal of vagueness and assumption drawn therefrom. The specifics make a world a difference in situations like this. For example it is possible that Xhale does holds a patent but one, like with the borosilicate glass sex toy issue, that should be rendered invalid. However for such details to be discussed such details must be available to those discussing it.

Also stalling and not producing a patent number in a timely fashion could be beneficial to the one doing the stalling for a variety of reasons, I'm not accusing Xhale of doing this, just illustrating my point as to why seeing a patient number is important, in a situation like this.
03/26/2010
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by namelesschaos
There is a difference between your hypothetical situation and the current one; I'm assuming in a Big vs. Big guy match up an actual patent number would have been referenced at some point. With out that this entire conversation is based on a good ... More
Actually, from what I understand of patent law, a company doesn't have to produce a patent number.

The company making something that may be patented is, instead, obligated to do a patent search.

I'm certainly not a lawyer but my ex was a bit of an inventor. Any time he wanted to sell something new he created, he'd make sure, first, that there wasn't a patent on it.
03/26/2010
Adam Burns Adam Burns
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Actually, from what I understand of patent law, a company doesn't have to produce a patent number.

The company making something that may be patented is, instead, obligated to do a patent search.

I'm certainly not a lawyer but my ... More
yes, you are correct, Carrie Ann. A cease a desist has not been issued. In the event of such, patent numbers (utility and or design) would be referenced. In the legal world, researching invention history is standard due diligence--like you have mentioned.

This fact alone should be sufficient evidence for people to calm down and relax. A cease and desist would definitely cause some concern, but unless that happens, no one should worry about anything. This is a huge emotional exaggeration of something that has not even taken place.
03/26/2010
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