I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the point my body is shanking for people who would hurt anyone because of who they are. To know that some people who comment hate crimes towards people who are transgendered only get fines and a couple of months in jail and then are let out to do it again.
Death penalty to people who commit hate crimes [I agree it may be a bit much]
I'm kinda against the death penalty, but I do think that hate crimes are terrible and should be punished pretty harshly (kinda reinforces the idea of universal acceptance). It's thin ice, though; in some cases I can see the issue spiraling out of hand (a lot of muggings and such may be judged as hate crimes, even if the perpetrator probably had no clue of the victim's sexual identity). But the death penalty takes away any chance someone has of showing remorse, learning to accept others, etc.
05/31/2011
The death penalty is rarely completed except in TX and FL - death row is just an expensive way to hold criminals for a very long time.
The term hate crime confuses me. If I'm maimed or dead - does it matter if the perp hated me? I presume if they did the dead, hate was part of the equation.
It should be severity of the crime - not the perceived rational that matters.
The term hate crime confuses me. If I'm maimed or dead - does it matter if the perp hated me? I presume if they did the dead, hate was part of the equation.
It should be severity of the crime - not the perceived rational that matters.
07/01/2011
I disagree with the notion that "Hate" or any other motive makes a crime inherently worse. I also feel that there is a double standard pertaining to who can/can not be guilty of a hate crime. I've personally been called racial slurs and on one circumstance attacked based on my ethnicity yet the term "Hate crime" was never even mentioned. Why is it that if there is a white/heterosexual victim of a racist attack it is some how less detestable than the reverse?
At the end of the day, a crime is a crime (violent or otherwise) and the should be prosecuted the same way regardless of any real or perceived motive. "Anti-Hate" legislation is complete bullshit.
At the end of the day, a crime is a crime (violent or otherwise) and the should be prosecuted the same way regardless of any real or perceived motive. "Anti-Hate" legislation is complete bullshit.
07/01/2011
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I agree completely - it's the crime, not why you do it.
Originally posted by
Sex'и'Violence
I disagree with the notion that "Hate" or any other motive makes a crime inherently worse. I also feel that there is a double standard pertaining to who can/can not be guilty of a hate crime. I've personally been called racial slurs and
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I disagree with the notion that "Hate" or any other motive makes a crime inherently worse. I also feel that there is a double standard pertaining to who can/can not be guilty of a hate crime. I've personally been called racial slurs and on one circumstance attacked based on my ethnicity yet the term "Hate crime" was never even mentioned. Why is it that if there is a white/heterosexual victim of a racist attack it is some how less detestable than the reverse?
At the end of the day, a crime is a crime (violent or otherwise) and the should be prosecuted the same way regardless of any real or perceived motive. "Anti-Hate" legislation is complete bullshit.
At the end of the day, a crime is a crime (violent or otherwise) and the should be prosecuted the same way regardless of any real or perceived motive. "Anti-Hate" legislation is complete bullshit.
07/01/2011
Dealth penalty?! That's way too much. I wasn't able to watch the video really, but I had to add that just a hate speech' or whatever the intelligent word for it is these days when someone voices an opinion and people totally blow it out of porportion when the person WAS IN NO WAY directing their frustration towards the transgender, but towards a specific issue that affects THEM TOO and people get all antsy and prissy and just look for any reason to bitch, moan and complain then it's way too far. People should never beat or abuse anyone for any reason, but heck rapists get off with nothing and just because a person expresses that they don't agree with something other's do does not make it hate. I think there should be punishment for abuse by all means, but not death. Definitely not death.
No matter who you are or who you wish you were, you ARE going to be discriminated against and called ugly names. You get back up and bless your enemies. Pray for them, whatever, but people somewhere along the lines have forgotten that ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE recieve abuse. ALL abusers should be punished. It shouldn't be justified. I never hear people get upset enough to stand up against women abusers for some reason different types of abuse are FAR more accepted. Almost eveyrbody endures some sort of physical abuse for who they are it should never be accepted and one reason for abuse is NEVER worse than another. They're all equally disgusting. They should all be equally punished, but I certainly don't think the death penalty is any kind of solution.
No matter who you are or who you wish you were, you ARE going to be discriminated against and called ugly names. You get back up and bless your enemies. Pray for them, whatever, but people somewhere along the lines have forgotten that ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE recieve abuse. ALL abusers should be punished. It shouldn't be justified. I never hear people get upset enough to stand up against women abusers for some reason different types of abuse are FAR more accepted. Almost eveyrbody endures some sort of physical abuse for who they are it should never be accepted and one reason for abuse is NEVER worse than another. They're all equally disgusting. They should all be equally punished, but I certainly don't think the death penalty is any kind of solution.
07/09/2011
Against death penalty for anything. Dying is getting off easily. If a person did something consciously they need to live with their choice.
Plus - there have been a couple of innocent people executed even in the US. Including a father who lost two young daughters in a fire accused of killing them. I can't imagine what he went through. There are cases where the story is clear (like when we have a footage with the face of the attacker) but even limiting to those clear-cut cases can provide a slippery slope towards including cases with less credible evidence.
Moreover, I think a lot of people who commit hate crimes are not well in the head. Like the case of a man knifing a lesbian couple, killing one of the women because God told him to. They need to be isolated to protect the public from repetitions but should we kill them for neuro-chemical imbalances in the brains? Or for prejudices that their parents or their church taught them since they were small?
I think the right road is through prevention: education, limiting exposure of young people to hate speech (instead of focusing on them accidentally seeing a nipple), strict enforcement of anti-bullying policies in schools and once more education.
Plus - there have been a couple of innocent people executed even in the US. Including a father who lost two young daughters in a fire accused of killing them. I can't imagine what he went through. There are cases where the story is clear (like when we have a footage with the face of the attacker) but even limiting to those clear-cut cases can provide a slippery slope towards including cases with less credible evidence.
Moreover, I think a lot of people who commit hate crimes are not well in the head. Like the case of a man knifing a lesbian couple, killing one of the women because God told him to. They need to be isolated to protect the public from repetitions but should we kill them for neuro-chemical imbalances in the brains? Or for prejudices that their parents or their church taught them since they were small?
I think the right road is through prevention: education, limiting exposure of young people to hate speech (instead of focusing on them accidentally seeing a nipple), strict enforcement of anti-bullying policies in schools and once more education.
07/09/2011
I have to say, although I am all for the death penalty in some crimes, it would have to depend on the crime itself. A hate crime is such a broad term, and though I believe that a life for a life can sometimes be a solution that gives closure to the families of the victim and also saving tax-payer dollars to house the criminal in prison, not all cases are deserving of the death penalty.
I have been friends with a m2f transgendered young woman for 9 years who a few months back was brutally beaten by two girls inside of a fast food restaurant until she actually had a seizure, the adult who committed the hate crime right now is facing charges that will be possibly 5 years or more, but even if she gets the 5 years, to me, that doesn't seem like enough, because it RUINED my friend's life, it is almost impossible for her to get a job now, and because of the media attention no matter where she goes she has people either asking her if she is "that one transgender girl who got beaten up" or hateful slurs.
To me, 5 years is NOTHING compared to what my friend is going through
I have been friends with a m2f transgendered young woman for 9 years who a few months back was brutally beaten by two girls inside of a fast food restaurant until she actually had a seizure, the adult who committed the hate crime right now is facing charges that will be possibly 5 years or more, but even if she gets the 5 years, to me, that doesn't seem like enough, because it RUINED my friend's life, it is almost impossible for her to get a job now, and because of the media attention no matter where she goes she has people either asking her if she is "that one transgender girl who got beaten up" or hateful slurs.
To me, 5 years is NOTHING compared to what my friend is going through
08/18/2011
You know... The way I see it... if the hate crime is severe enough, I think there should be the death penalty. Or at least a much longer and worse sentence (including higher cost). But by the same token keeping these people in prison only costs the taxpayers money. Because, honestly, prisons do not make the prisoners earn their keep in any way. So why should we pay for their room and board?
Then again, I also have the view that Germany has the right idea with castration (chemical or otherwise) for rapists. So maybe I have a weird perspective...
Then again, I also have the view that Germany has the right idea with castration (chemical or otherwise) for rapists. So maybe I have a weird perspective...
08/19/2011
Being transgender, it scares me that these things happen. I don't know that death should be the penalty for lesser crimes, but most definitely for beating a person to death, or near death. Hate doesn't magickally disappear, it'd be nice if it did, but the world doesn't work that way. I'm not against the death penalty as there is simply no fixing a lot of people out there. Hate crimes, against any type of person or for any reason should always have severe consequences, they need to not be tolerated in any measure.
08/25/2011
Why should a "hate crime" be punished any differently than any other crime? If someone is horribly beaten because they are gay, for example, how is that worse than being beaten for no apparent reason at all?
In answer to your OP, I understand your shock and anger. I, too, was deeply disturbed when I heard about that story. But I am 100% against the death penalty. I believe the perpetrators of that crime should get jail time, but not be killed.
In answer to your OP, I understand your shock and anger. I, too, was deeply disturbed when I heard about that story. But I am 100% against the death penalty. I believe the perpetrators of that crime should get jail time, but not be killed.
08/25/2011
It depends on how bad the hate crime was. In a case where they were only beaten up I would like the penilty to be more than just fines and a few months in jail but if it was more like torcher almost or to death then yes, I agree completely on the death penilty. Due to the fact that they almost or did take someones life for the simple fact that they was expressing themselves in their own way. Its messed up what the world has come to. Slowly but surely we are making our way through and trying to push ourselves to the top. One day, we will have our situation reconized and more people will start to understand. Instead of hating what they dont understand.
11/14/2011
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It depends on the crime. If your hate crime is yelling slurs at someone or defacing their property, jail is sufficient. If you beat someone but do not cause any serious injury (no broken bones, no need for hospitalization, etc) then jail time. If you kill someone or beat them so badly they need serious surgery (like life support or reconstructive surgery) then yes death penalty.
Originally posted by
Miss Nessa
I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the
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I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the point my body is shanking for people who would hurt anyone because of who they are. To know that some people who comment hate crimes towards people who are transgendered only get fines and a couple of months in jail and then are let out to do it again.
12/01/2011
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A very good friend of mine is an MtF Trans and she was raped several years ago while transitioning. It happened at the apartment complex that she lived at and people just stood back and watched because she was 'weird' and so the people that did it got away without any punishment. Even the police barely listened.
Originally posted by
Miss Nessa
I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the
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I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the point my body is shanking for people who would hurt anyone because of who they are. To know that some people who comment hate crimes towards people who are transgendered only get fines and a couple of months in jail and then are let out to do it again.
I think that until our society recognizes that hate crimes are a very real danger for people who are just trying to be themselves, the penalty will never be as strong as the crime needs.
03/08/2012
I don't agree with stricter sentencing for hate crimes, because that can go into any time anyone not white/heterosexual/cis gendered has a crime committed against them, it's because they are what they are.
However, I do think we need much stricter sentencing for all forms of sex crimes, and to stop allowing things like "trans panic" as a fully viable defense. A surprise can excuse a freaked out reaction, but it certainly doesn't excuse landing someone in the hospital.
However, I do think we need much stricter sentencing for all forms of sex crimes, and to stop allowing things like "trans panic" as a fully viable defense. A surprise can excuse a freaked out reaction, but it certainly doesn't excuse landing someone in the hospital.
03/09/2012
I definitely wish for a harsher crime, but I'm against the death penalty in most cases in general. I don't think it's worse than a life in prison or something else... In fact, I think that the death penalty is sort of an easy way out compared to the rest of your life in prison or something. :/
03/09/2012
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Unless someone was killed...no. I am all for the death penalty in murder cases that weren't self defense. But then again, I think child molesters, abusers deserve it to a point. But they just end up dying more so on death row than by lethal injection or whatever method is used.
Originally posted by
Miss Nessa
I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the
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I think maybe it's too much!! but that's what i feel should be allowed. I've seen people who are transgender be beat and even killed and it breaks my heart. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry. I have a lot of hate, hate to the point my body is shanking for people who would hurt anyone because of who they are. To know that some people who comment hate crimes towards people who are transgendered only get fines and a couple of months in jail and then are let out to do it again.
This sounds crazy but people like you mentioned, along wither murderers, child abusers, molesters, rapists, animal abusers should all be shipped out to a deserted island to just go free and tear each other apart.
We all have our different view points. I know killing the murderer isn't helping the murdered out but I just don't think they deserve "3 hots and a cot" and honestly if someone I cared about was murdered if I got to choose the punishment, I would want them to fry for taking such a precious person from me. Yeah, it won't bring the person back but to me it's justice.
03/11/2012
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I agree with that last part....
Originally posted by
GenderSexplorations
You know... The way I see it... if the hate crime is severe enough, I think there should be the death penalty. Or at least a much longer and worse sentence (including higher cost). But by the same token keeping these people in prison only costs the
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You know... The way I see it... if the hate crime is severe enough, I think there should be the death penalty. Or at least a much longer and worse sentence (including higher cost). But by the same token keeping these people in prison only costs the taxpayers money. Because, honestly, prisons do not make the prisoners earn their keep in any way. So why should we pay for their room and board?
Then again, I also have the view that Germany has the right idea with castration (chemical or otherwise) for rapists. So maybe I have a weird perspective...
Then again, I also have the view that Germany has the right idea with castration (chemical or otherwise) for rapists. So maybe I have a weird perspective...
03/11/2012
It really depends on what they did. If there was any possibility that they would've gotten it even if it wasn't a hate crime, that's totally fair, but I'm a little queasy over the idea of someone deserving death more just for it being a hate crime. I mean, a murderer's a murderer. It doesn't really matter what thoughts are running through your head if you murder an innocent person for no good reason, you're still a bad person no matter what and should be punished accordingly.
I think they should get longer sentences, higher fines, and have to go through counseling but I'm against the death penalty in most cases to begin with though.
I think they should get longer sentences, higher fines, and have to go through counseling but I'm against the death penalty in most cases to begin with though.
04/22/2012
WEll when someone is murdered in a hate crime it kinda escalates from a hate crime to aggravated assault / murder etc etc with undercurrents of hate crime to push the sentence harder... but to, let's say kill someone for flying the Confederate flag or verbally insulting them? it's petty and childish and isn't going to solve anything. In all honesty, there really isn't anything they can do for hate crimes. Prison time does nothing but reinforce prejudice because in order to survive people have to essentially go in with one of the gangs, and pretty much all of them are split my race etc. plus that's not teaching them anything because they'd have to be re-introduced to society, our prison's are already over maxed, and you'd be putting people in prison for a minor crime and they'd come out criminals. The best way to fight discrimination is to advocate against ignorance.
How many communities enforce close-minded behavior? How many churches preach that other religions are evil aside from Christianity? How many people's parents sit there and teach their children to be hateful and to discriminate?
It's a learned behavior and it needs to be addressed at it's source; schools, churches, neighborhoods, athletic events, etc. Not by the police unless they are necessary.
If someone acts ignorant address them logically, be calm and polite B| going over the top only enforces the behavior.
Ultimately there isn't much to do; unless they harm someone or destroy their property it really isn't much that can be done. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if they want to dislike something that is their business but when they choose to take it out on other people, often times there are other things involved that make the crime something beyond general discrimination.
Idk I just don't think it's something that CAN be punished and be productive; teaching the culprit something. Because most "punishments" that he law administers don't teach anything.
How many communities enforce close-minded behavior? How many churches preach that other religions are evil aside from Christianity? How many people's parents sit there and teach their children to be hateful and to discriminate?
It's a learned behavior and it needs to be addressed at it's source; schools, churches, neighborhoods, athletic events, etc. Not by the police unless they are necessary.
If someone acts ignorant address them logically, be calm and polite B| going over the top only enforces the behavior.
Ultimately there isn't much to do; unless they harm someone or destroy their property it really isn't much that can be done. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if they want to dislike something that is their business but when they choose to take it out on other people, often times there are other things involved that make the crime something beyond general discrimination.
Idk I just don't think it's something that CAN be punished and be productive; teaching the culprit something. Because most "punishments" that he law administers don't teach anything.
04/22/2012
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