Can a person be sexually liberated and still be loyal to the sexual boundaries set by their religion?

Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Well, where you're misunderstanding is that she's not talking about a person's faith, she's talking about their religion. I'm going to focus on Christianity because you are.

Many, if not most, of the churches that ... More
Thank you BBWTT.

I would like to point out also, that I linked a page with information regarding the views that MANY religions have as far as sexuality is concerned. If you had actually taken the time to read it, you would have noticed that some of these religions consider things that even the most vanilla of us consider normal and acceptable, to be a sin.

For instance

Did you know that in Orthodox Judaism they believe in:

1. A prohibition on touching a person of the opposite sex, especially in a lingering arousing manner

2. A prohibition on hotza'at zera levatala -- "secreting semen in vain" by men. There is no equivalent prohibition for women since there is no secretion. However, masturbation by women is considered to be a lewd act and is thus included in the general commandment "And you shall be holy".

3. A prohibition on wearing the clothing of a member of the opposite sex

Or that in most Lutheran, Reformed and United churches of the EKD in Germany and in the Netherlands and Switzerland view homosexuality as a violation of the 7th commandment. In these Lutheran, United and Reformed churches (Luther/Calvin) gay ministers are not permitted in ministry and gay couples are not allowed in their churches.

Or that in Islamic religion Qur'anic verses made it legal for Muslim men to marry women from other Abrahamic religions (i.e. Jews and Christians), provided that the women are faithful (adherent) to their own religious beliefs. Contemporary scholars have upheld this ruling.
A Muslim woman, on the other hand, is only allowed to marry a Muslim man, one of the reasons being, to marry a non-Muslim man would mean that the children would grow up as non-Muslims. A marriage contract between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man is traditionally considered illegal and void, and hence legally an adulterous affair.

Or that in Hinduism, views of sexual morality differ widely depending on the region and sect. Hindu scriptures themselves are often vague about sexuality. There are temples depicting sexual activity openly (examples include temple complexes at Ajanta and Ellora, and at Khajuraho, which has a group of medieval Hindu and Jain temples, with their erotic sculpture), and sexual imagery is not sacrilege, but sexual self-restraint (as well as in other aspects of life) are considered essential to a Hindu's well being and dharmic/karmic duties.

In Christianity scriptures in the New Testament dealing with sexuality are extensive. Subjects include: the Apostolic Decree (Acts 15), sexual immorality, divine love (1 Corinthians 13), mutual self-giving (1 Corinthians 7), bodily membership between Christ and between husband and wife (1 Corinthians 6:15-20) and honor versus dishonor of adultery.(Hebrews 13:4) Even with the large number of Bible passages that address issues of sexuality, interpretation of these verses can vary. The issue of premarital sex is good example of how the same verse can be viewed in different ways. In modern English, fornication typically refers to voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other. Given that modern definition, a verse that condemns fornication (such as 1 Corinthians 6:9 which is often cited by various denominations as biblical opposition to pre-marital sex) would appear to be clear. However, in the New Testament, fornication is the word used to translate the Koine Greek word porneia into English. In Ancient Greek, the word porneia meant "illicit sex" or "illegal sex". Early Christians interpreted this word to encompass activities such as: adultery, incest, and bestiality. Modern evangelical Christians tend to prefer the definition of premarital sex, or will even choose to broaden the term to also include activities such as homosexuality, prostitution, masturbation and pornography, while progressive Christians tend to limit the interpretation of the word to illegal sexual activities such as incest, bestiality, and pedophilia. In the context of history, the former understanding is to be preferred.

Now I would like to point out that yes, I understand that much of this is about extramarital sex, sex prior to marriage, or homosexuality, and some of it refers to acts that likely few or none of us are ok with (eg, incest, bestiality, and pedophilia). However, some of it pertains to things as simple as not being able to wear your partners shirt when you wake up at 4 am and need to run to the bathroom or to the kitchen for a snack... whatever you may be doing, even masturbation is prohibited in some religions.

I am a bisexual, monogamous, woman who is separated from her husband. If I were to have sex, most religions would consider that adultery and a sin. If that sex were with a woman, no matter how vanilla (and I do not consider vanilla to be boring, just simplified, and not to my particular tastes) that would DEFINITELY be considered a sin. Many religions consider BDSM practices to be sinful. In many of these situations people are having not only premarital, but also extramarital sex, which is part of the turn on for their partners. That would be considered sinful as well, even though it is consented to by all parties, and benefits their sex life enormously.

Even in religions that preach sexual tolerance (aside from homosexuality, premarital sex and adultery) many people would be looked down upon not only by the church but by their peers within the church if they are caught behaving in any manner which is outside of the perceived norm. EVEN if that perception is not reality.

This is why I feel the way that I do. I know that I could not feel sexually liberated and still live within the expectations and practices of MOST religions.
05/27/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
Thank you BBWTT.

I would like to point out also, that I linked a page with information regarding the views that MANY religions have as far as sexuality is concerned. If you had actually taken the time to read it, you would have noticed that ... More
You sure did a lot of research!

Smart is SEXY!
05/27/2011
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
Thank you BBWTT.

I would like to point out also, that I linked a page with information regarding the views that MANY religions have as far as sexuality is concerned. If you had actually taken the time to read it, you would have noticed that ... More
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This is a very interesting discussion, Girl. I agree that you have been quite respectful and understanding regarding people's religion, faith and practices. Nowhere did I see you say that "vanilla" was a "bad" or "boring" thing, you simply used to work to denote a type of sex that many engage in and are happy with. No harm, no foul.

I consider myself Generic Christian. I think people (Christians in particular) pay too much attention to Leviticus and Deuteronomy (which were written for the ancient Hebrews following Moses through the desert. and not meant for modern people) and not enough to the entire belief system. Contrast The Songs of Solomon with Leviticus or Deuteronomy and you have some glaring inconsistencies. Yet, too many people use Leviticus and Deuteronomy as a way to point fingers and condemn others, while ignoring the parts of these books that obviously have NO place in our society. And these people nearly always ignore parts of the Bible which condemn things that make them comfy like their money and their power. Is it a "sin" to wear cloth made from two different fabrics? According to Leviticus (or maybe it's Deuteronomy) it IS. This shows us that even the Ancients had political and economic issues interfering in their Faith.

For those who do consider themselves Christian, please note that Jesus Christ said little about sexual activities. He told a woman (NOT Mary Magdalen as is often mistaken for the woman) to "go and sin no more" because the man she was having sex with was married to someone else and sneaking behind his wife's back having sex with the woman. NOT because they were simply having sex, or even because the woman may or may not have been a prostitute.

It is virtually impossible to "live according to the Bible 100%" as I have heard some people say they do. In addition to myriad sexual and social rules, one would also be committing "an abomination" if one's toilet is within 100 paces of where one eats or sleeps, if one wears cloth of two different fabrics, if a woman cuts or shows her hair, if a man trim his beard or shaves, if one is RICH etc. Yet, these prohibitions are ignored, even by those who claim they "follow the Bible 100%.) I have been told "those no longer count." Yet the prohibitions of a "man lying with a man" are still enforced. WHY? I have asked people WHERE does it say which prohibitions are no longer no longer apply, yet no self proclaimed Christian has been able to answer my question.

Maybe some common sense (even though we are not supposed to "trust in your own understanding") should be applied to religion, too. Is it harming anyone? If not, then how is is wrong? If God created everything, including time, space, light and darkness and all life WHY would such a powerful being be "offended" by the way two people pleasure each other or if one persons pleasure him or herself? Makes no sense to me. So, I don't belong to a standard religion. I just like what the Jewish Carpenter had to say about Love and Peace and treating each other well and his repeated condemnations of the Evil Rich. So, He's my dude.

I see nothing in His words that condemn what My Man and I do in our bedroom, no condemnations of vibrating objects, nor about self pleasure, none about a little bondage or rough play, or leather or playful spankings, nor oral nor anal love.

Mileage and all that.
05/27/2011
Eliza Eliza
I think it depends on what someone considers being sexually liberated. Someone might feel completely liberated and fulfilled by the actions permitted/condoned by a specific religion while another person might feel restricted by those same rules.
06/03/2011
kendra30752 kendra30752
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
Well, where you're misunderstanding is that she's not talking about a person's faith, she's talking about their religion. I'm going to focus on Christianity because you are.

Many, if not most, of the churches that ... More
I totally understand what you're saying. The church I am affilliated with is not like that. Sex is a big deal, but we are not focused on judging people at all whether they're sexually active or not & many of the people in the church (even teens) are and are open about it. I don't like the whole gays and sex means you're going to hell. I also love that you brought up that part about people thinking if a woman is raped she MUST have been dressed wrong or drinking. It's always her fault. I'm sorry, but men CAN control themselves. I was actually ahem... done that way at 15 years old and even some of my closest friends told me I MUST HAVE done something wrong! I must have worn something too revealing and the man couldn't help his poor little self! I've heard that one so many times that it's no wonder girls blame themselves for being raped these days. It's pathetic and I'm in no way taking up for any church/religion who thinks in any of those ways. People are people, but not everything is a woman's fault. MEN WERE BORN WITH CONTROL. They were not born to have sex with anything they like and then get out of it because she MUST have done something to provoke it. that makes me so angry.
06/03/2011
Eucaly Eucaly
Religion and sex are not incompatible.

There's a lot of leftover thinking from the Victorian age. Even medieval Europe didn't have it as strict as people think.
06/14/2011
Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
i think so. you can be a good person and still get some, in fact i think it helps you maintain your sanity. love your god and love your fellow man
06/25/2011
CheerfulLoner CheerfulLoner
LaVeyan Satanist.

Anything goes, so long as it's consensual. Can't see freedom being part of most other religion, though - they're all about guilt, control and hatred, which are not markers of sexual freedom.

Obviously there are exceptions, like Pagans who are very comfortable with sex, but others...? Yeah no. And if you think your Abrahamic religion is all for what you are doing, you probably haven't read your book through.
07/12/2011
Elnoa Elnoa
I think sexual liberation means being educated rather than wanting to partake in every sexual experience. I consider myself pretty liberated and interested in learning about other people's sexual experiences without judgement, but I in no way want to take part in every kind of sexual experience I learn about.
07/18/2011
Emma (Girl With Fire) Emma (Girl With Fire)
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Originally posted by P'Gell
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This is a very interesting discussion, Girl. I agree that you have been quite respectful and understanding regarding people's religion, faith and practices. Nowhere did I see you say that "vanilla" was a ... More
Haha, You rock P'gell.
08/04/2011
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by WHITEMIKE
Religion (today's religion) and freedom are not able to be married and walk hand in hand. Religion requires servitude and submission without question. There is no room for freedom in the home of religion. There are conditions and restrictions ... More
I do not agree with the supposition that all religions demand servitude or that all religion places restrictions on freedom. My religion, for instance, promotes freedom with responsibility. I am "allowed" and even encouraged to do as I please so long as it doesn't cause problems for others. If what I do DOES cause problems I am not sentenced to eternal damnation but I am encouraged to make amends and move on.
Never has my religion promoted sexual slavery (unless it's consenting!) nor is it male dominated either through guilt or shame.
The Christian religion is also not supposed to promote these soul destroying principles, if people choose to put their faith in negativity then negativity is what they will reap.
Any Christian is supposed to follow the dictates of their conscience, removing the domination of anyone.
07/12/2012
gsfanatic gsfanatic
Depends a lot on the religion. It doesn't help that the 3 monotheistic religions everyone's familiar with have had thousands of years of helpful interpretation. You can be true to your faith a lot easier, since that's a more personal interpretation.
07/12/2012
hybridinsurge hybridinsurge
I think a person can be sexually liberated and still adhere to the tenets of their religion. As long as each individual is making their own decision to behave within the confines of their religion because that is what they feel is right.

For example, a woman who does not have premarital sex for fear of being beaten or disowned by her family is not sexually liberated. However, a woman who wants to wait for marriage for her own reasons (religious or otherwise) could still be in charge of her own sexuality.
07/14/2012
Experiment Experiment
The major religions all believe homosexuality is a sin, so it would be hard to embrace that because t would be embracing sin which isn't really following your religion.

I do think it's possible to be sexually healthy and well-rounded and also be religious.

Luckily, I'm agnostic so I don't have to deal problems like these.
08/02/2012
panthercat23 panthercat23
It really depends on the religion, in most cases most likely not but I'm sure there are some religions that are no so sexually restrictive.
08/02/2012
KRD KRD
depends
08/04/2012
digit88 digit88
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I was making grilled cheese earlier and for some reason this question just popped into my head. I doubt there is any correlation between the two but it is still a good question.

There are a variety of rules within many if not all religious ... More
nope
08/04/2012
LittleArtemis LittleArtemis
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I was making grilled cheese earlier and for some reason this question just popped into my head. I doubt there is any correlation between the two but it is still a good question.

There are a variety of rules within many if not all religious ... More
I believe it depends on the person, your beliefs, sexuality, and what your personal definition of sexually liberated is. If you think being open, honest, and harnessing your sexual feelings then sure I think it's possible to be sexually liberated within the bounds of your religion though I myself am agnostic leaning towards neo-druidism so I am not all in tune with religious boundaries upon ones sexual happiness.
08/20/2012
Kenneth Fort Kenneth Fort
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I was making grilled cheese earlier and for some reason this question just popped into my head. I doubt there is any correlation between the two but it is still a good question.

There are a variety of rules within many if not all religious ... More
People can do whatever they want while being whatever they want. Liberation is a meaningless word.
10/04/2012
sweetpea12 sweetpea12
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I was making grilled cheese earlier and for some reason this question just popped into my head. I doubt there is any correlation between the two but it is still a good question.

There are a variety of rules within many if not all religious ... More
I think that it depends on the person
10/24/2012
Scythe Scythe
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Originally posted by Emma (Girl With Fire)
I have not yet been able to make a firm decision on this. In my opinion I suppose it would depend on the person, their sexuality and the religion they are a part of. I believe that religion is very biased when it comes to bot gender and sexual ... More
Isn't that an oxymoron? In my experience religion is restrictive which is quite the opposite of being liberated.
05/19/2013
WestTexasBarbie WestTexasBarbie
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Originally posted by ScottA
Yep. I'm a Christian, so I respect my vows, remain loyal to my wife, and try to demonstrate the love of Christ to her - but there's plenty we can do within that relationship sexually.
I agree 100%. This is exactly how I feel about my relationship with my husband.
06/17/2013
HannahPanda HannahPanda
I believe someone can be anything they choose as long as it's consentual and legal.
06/17/2013
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