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Owl Identified Owl Identified
In spite of being named for a wonderful, wonderful band, JoyDivision's stuff (now featured on EF!) looks byoo-tee-full. How long til I can get my hot little paws on some of those anal beads and GORGEOUS gold vaginal balls? These are divine! Can I get a witness?
08/18/2010
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VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
In spite of being named for a wonderful, wonderful band, JoyDivision's stuff (now featured on EF!) looks byoo-tee-full. How long til I can get my hot little paws on some of those anal beads and GORGEOUS gold vaginal balls? These are divine! Can I ...
AAAAAAAMEN!

I couldn't resist.
08/18/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by VieuxCarre
AAAAAAAMEN!

I couldn't resist.
Lmao, seriously though, can we agree these are hot items and that we all need some this JoyDivision loveliness? I gotta set some alerts on those beads, seriously!
08/19/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Also, if anyone has a link for their website (assuming they have one) I'd love to see their full catalog!
08/19/2010
VieuxCarre VieuxCarre
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Lmao, seriously though, can we agree these are hot items and that we all need some this JoyDivision loveliness? I gotta set some alerts on those beads, seriously!
They are VERY hot. I concur that we need some of this loveliness.

*goes to make picket-ish signs*
08/19/2010
MuffysPinguLove MuffysPinguLove
I'm also wondering when they will be available. I looked for their site, but wasn't able to locate it
08/19/2010
MuffysPinguLove MuffysPinguLove
After sleuthing the interwebs I was able to track down the JoyDivision website. The only problem? It's in German...

I also realized that EF already carries some JoyDivision stuff
08/20/2010
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
In spite of being named for a wonderful, wonderful band, JoyDivision's stuff (now featured on EF!) looks byoo-tee-full. How long til I can get my hot little paws on some of those anal beads and GORGEOUS gold vaginal balls? These are divine! Can I ...
Ramen...May the indomitible Spaghetti Monster smiles upon your request.
08/20/2010
Annemarie Annemarie
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
In spite of being named for a wonderful, wonderful band, JoyDivision's stuff (now featured on EF!) looks byoo-tee-full. How long til I can get my hot little paws on some of those anal beads and GORGEOUS gold vaginal balls? These are divine! Can I ...
Amen, sista!

I have an entire wishlist dedicated to these new toys now. Well, kind of. It's a wishlist for toys that are yet to be available--which, right now, is just the JD stuff. Heh.
08/20/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by MuffysPinguLove
After sleuthing the interwebs I was able to track down the JoyDivision website. The only problem? It's in German...

I also realized that EF already carries some JoyDivision stuff ...
Ah, I remember only one of those (the Shello) but yes, you are correct! And thank you for the link! I'm enjoying browsing it in spite of only being able to dig the pictures
08/20/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Also can we talk about all of the amazing colors?!?!?! I am dying. DYING.
08/20/2010
Maxim Maxim
JoyDivision has some great products and some might be available on EF shortly.
Please note that JoyDivision vibrators are not boilable/dishwasher safe, but they are splash-proof (water resistant).
09/16/2010
Madeira Madeira
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
In spite of being named for a wonderful, wonderful band, JoyDivision's stuff (now featured on EF!) looks byoo-tee-full. How long til I can get my hot little paws on some of those anal beads and GORGEOUS gold vaginal balls? These are divine! Can I ...
I'm actually a little freaked by a sex toy company being named Joy Division, the band got it's name from a division of women forced to be prostitutes by the nazis... so yeah, little freaky
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by Madeira
I'm actually a little freaked by a sex toy company being named Joy Division, the band got it's name from a division of women forced to be prostitutes by the nazis... so yeah, little freaky
Oh my god, I never knew that and that's incredibly upsetting. The thing is if this were an English company, for example, they might not know the history of the term (they might just think of the band.) But this is a German company so they most certainly would be aware of the implications of using this title. I am withdrawing my previous statements about wanting anything from this company. Yikes. Thanks for the heads-up, Madeira.
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
For anyone interested in learning more on what Madeira brought up.
09/16/2010
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
For anyone interested in learning more on what Madeira brought up.
I agree - that is so creepy and tasteless. I'll pass on Joy Division toys.
09/16/2010
Gary Gary
Are you going to go smash all your Joy Division cds now too? What if the company name was not intentionally a reference to this? Try to be level headed here!
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by Gary
Are you going to go smash all your Joy Division cds now too? What if the company name was not intentionally a reference to this? Try to be level headed here!
Actually, if I had any physical copies of my Joy Division cds (digital world) I would probably give them away, and I don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest that this is not level headed. I don't think sexual slavery and/or rape is humorous or an acceptable way to market your music. Period. But let me guess, if I don't like rape jokes then I'm a big bad Comstock bleeding heart and I'm stomping all over your first amendment, eh? You have the right to say whatever you want, but I don't have to like it or support it with my money or patronage. That's my right as much as it is yours to call your band Forced Sex Work.

There is enough media that subtly or not-so-subtly desensitizes us to sexual violence every day, I don't need to actively buy into it. I always got that Joy Division wanted to be *shocking* with their Third Reich references, but this one went over my head. But I get boys, you were so *provocative!* Apparently not smart enough to think of a more creative way to upset people, but nevertheless that kind of vapid antagonism qualifies as "post-modern," I guess? Bravo?

As for the company not being aware of this? They are German. That would be like saying a U.S. company named "Jim Crow" didn't know that they were referencing a series of discriminatory laws.
09/16/2010
Gunsmoke Gunsmoke
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Originally posted by Gary
Are you going to go smash all your Joy Division cds now too? What if the company name was not intentionally a reference to this? Try to be level headed here!
Don't own any - so there's no problem. German education is very detailed about the atrocities of the Nazis - I doubt that its inadvertent - even if it is, wouldn't you do a little research before selecting a name?

Ignorance as a veil is just too thin!
09/16/2010
Gary Gary
If you are making judgments about a company without even asking them or allowing them to defend the accusations... how is that fair or level headed? Not to mention, 'Joy Division' are English words not German. So much can be lost or altered when translating even simple phrases from one language to another.

I am not even arguing right or wrong here, I just hate to see a bandwagon form when people jump to conclusions without trying to find out the real deal. Logically, wouldn't it be a bad business decision to intentionally name your company after something that might intensely offend your potential buyers? So maybe, just maybe, there is another answer out there that no one is even bothering to look for before they begin to publicly denounce the company.

To me, that does not seem level headed!
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by Gunsmoke
Don't own any - so there's no problem. German education is very detailed about the atrocities of the Nazis - I doubt that its inadvertent - even if it is, wouldn't you do a little research before selecting a name?

Ignorance as a ...
Yeah, I was thinking of what you said re: education when I drew the parallel between slavery in the United States and the Nazis in Germany. Obviously the two atrocities are quite different, but they are similar insofar as both the United States and Germany stress both subjects in their respective education systems. Although frankly, the United States tends to skim over quite a lot and fluff it up. I've known a few German kids around my age and apparently they learn extensively and in very graphic detail about the Nazis.
09/16/2010
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Actually, if I had any physical copies of my Joy Division cds (digital world) I would probably give them away, and I don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest that this is not level headed. I don't think sexual slavery and/or rape ...
I didn't mention one word about rape or sexual slavery... but far be it from me to stand in the way of one of your crusades.
09/16/2010
buzzvibe buzzvibe
I emailed the company about the Joyballs Single I had for review to let them know the silicone ripped, and I haven't received any response. So... I've kind of lost my enthusiasm for their stuff.
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Gary, I'm not sure why you don't understand how rape and sexual slavery are pertinent. We're talking about naming a company and band after the sexual slavery/rape of women in concentration camps for the benefit of Nazi soldiers. That's the subject of conversation. That's why I mentioned it. I'm not sure why you're confused, but if you explain then I can try to help you understand.
09/16/2010
Miss Cinnamon Miss Cinnamon
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Oh my god, I never knew that and that's incredibly upsetting. The thing is if this were an English company, for example, they might not know the history of the term (they might just think of the band.) But this is a German company so they most ...
As far as I know, "Joy Division" was not the official name given to the group of women from concentration camps forced into prostitution by Nazis. The term comes from "The House of Dolls", a novella written in 1955 that describes the horrific acts against women in concentration camps mentioned by Madeira. If you Google "Joy Division Nazi" or "Joy Division Germany", it's hard to find a single verified source (in other words, a source you could actually use in a paper) that claims "Joy Division" to be anything more than a term used in a novel.

Yes, these terrible acts did happen, but just because a company names itself "Joy Division" does not mean that they a) were aware of this somewhat underground meaning, or b) show support for this practice. Please, let's not get unnecessarily offended over this.
09/16/2010
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Gary, I'm not sure why you don't understand how rape and sexual slavery are pertinent. We're talking about naming a company and band after the sexual slavery/rape of women in concentration camps for the benefit of Nazi soldiers. ...
Show me the facts that this company deliberately named themselves after the WWII Nazi sexual slave trade, and then I won't question your trying to affect the business of that company by publicly making accusations about the messages they are promoting!

You have no facts here! This is guilty until proven innocent!
09/16/2010
Owl Identified Owl Identified
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Originally posted by Gary
Show me the facts that this company deliberately named themselves after the WWII Nazi sexual slave trade, and then I won't question your trying to affect the business of that company by publicly making accusations about the messages they are ...
I'm not asking you to stop questioning me. I welcome questions and challenges. I'm not sure why you think that I am trying to silence you; I am engaging each of your responses which I can only imagine would demonstrate that I am interested in discussion. I was asking why you were confused as to how rape and sexual slavery were absolutely central to this conversation, a question you chose not to respond to which is okay.

I will respond to your assumption of my motivations and accusation that I am trying to affect JoyDivision's business, however. I don't personally care if anyone else buys from them, but in light of Madeira's post I simply stated that I am choosing not to buy anything from them. If that influences how someone else shops, that's their business and not mine. You'll notice that I never encouraged or asked anyone else not to buy from them, I simply stated that I do not wish to.

Cynthia, your point is excellent and well taken. The reason those keywords will not yield scholarly results is because a) Google is not a scholarly search engine, I would recommend Muse or Jstor as good alternatives and b) Joy Division is an English translation, which was popularized by the film and then apparently by the band. The band and film will yield far before "Freudenabteilung" will, which is the German term. However, the company chose JoyDivision for their name, written in English. This leads me to believe they are referencing the band at the very least, and as Gunsmoke said, a little research goes a long way before naming your company after a band that is notorious for fetishizing Nazi imagery.
09/16/2010
gone77 gone77
OK, I feel like people are getting a little too worked up over this.

It troubles me that a company is getting a bad rap over conclusions that are being jumped to with no facts to back them up.

I agree that perhaps the name was not the wisest choice, but without them here to defend themselves, it smacks of character assassination. It is entirely possible that Joy Division is not aware of the association, which seems rather vague based on what Cynthia posted above.

As per our Expectations of Conduct:

"Defamation of individuals, EdenFantasys employees or other companies is not tolerated. This includes accusations, speculations and sweeping generalizations that can be hurtful. This is an information sharing resource, not a rumor-mill. Let's be factual and fair."

Please, let's put these unfair accusations against Joy Division to rest. I'm sure anyone here would be greatly upset if the shoe was on the other foot.

Thank you.
09/16/2010
Madeira Madeira
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Originally posted by Gary
Are you going to go smash all your Joy Division cds now too? What if the company name was not intentionally a reference to this? Try to be level headed here!
The band's name was less upsetting because it wasn't conntected to sex, it's tasteless to name a *sex toy* company that, the band was using disturbing imagery to call attention to their rather melancholic nature
09/17/2010
Madeira Madeira
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
Actually, if I had any physical copies of my Joy Division cds (digital world) I would probably give them away, and I don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest that this is not level headed. I don't think sexual slavery and/or rape ...
Personally I think Joy Division is a fine name for a band, they're a melancholic depressing band, named after a melancholic depressing thing, however naming a sex toy company after a group of women forced into prostitution is distinctly unsettling to me.
09/17/2010
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