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lexical lexical
I am very bothered by this strangely proportioned figure pictured on Eden's home page...



Is it just me or is her waist smaller than her head? I wish that EF would have chosen an image of a real person, instead of an unnaturally wasp-waisted person...Has this photo been tampered with? There is no way that her middle is that tiny (without a corset or some photoshopping). Where are her organs!?

Either way, it does not make me feel good about myself or about the female form in general. Yuck...This makes me sad, EF.
01/29/2012
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Ryuson Ryuson
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I am very bothered by this strangely proportioned figure pictured on Eden's home page...



Is it just me or is her waist smaller than her head? I wish that EF would have chosen an image of a real person, instead of an unnaturally ...
I have seen several real bad photoshop jobs done by the lingerie companies. While this isn't the worst by far, it is a bit self-esteem-smushing. A lot of their ads are super cute and fun, and then some are like this. I think that it all depends on if they're trying to appeal to us, the regulars, or the once-a-year shoppers.
01/29/2012
Chirple Chirple
I could see a bit of her side being trimmed down, but I think the lingerie design itself is also very flattering, it's creating a bit of slimming itself by stopping instead of going all the way around her.

As a small person, myself, it's possible to get a "ridiculously small waist" look just by turning a bit. By measurements, my waist is only 1" bigger than my head, anyway - turn so you're not seeing the broad part of it, it's going to look smaller than my head. And if I "suck in", I can look absolutely inhuman.

The model's waist doesn't bother me, I think the area most tampered with would be her rib-cage. Looks a bit "off" to me, but I know I can make myself look "off", so I'm not ready to call "fake", especially since it's such wiggly pose.
01/29/2012
Coralbell Coralbell
I agree with Chirple. It could be photoshopped, but it could also just be due to the pose and the outfit. Her waist is more to the side while her shoulders and head are more to the front. The lingerie she's wearing also really emphasizes an hourglass shape.
01/29/2012
Cookie Monster Mike Cookie Monster Mike
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I am very bothered by this strangely proportioned figure pictured on Eden's home page...



Is it just me or is her waist smaller than her head? I wish that EF would have chosen an image of a real person, instead of an unnaturally ...
"Where are her organs?" Ahahahaha Her left side is bothering me the most. If this image was photoshop'd it's almost as if the skin was spread and now covering a portion of her armpit. Almost no armpit there actually. That whole side with the fake skin line or whatever it is really is creeping my out. I wouldn't have paid attention unless you said something. Oh well, it's something that isn't of a huge issue to me.
01/29/2012
sktb0007 sktb0007
I thought the same thing when I had seen it. It reminded me of that one ad campaign that photoshopped and did the same thing. I think it was a clothing company, I can't remember off the top of my head but the models waist was much, much smaller then the width of her head.
01/29/2012
Cookie Monster Mike Cookie Monster Mike
Quote:
Originally posted by sktb0007
I thought the same thing when I had seen it. It reminded me of that one ad campaign that photoshopped and did the same thing. I think it was a clothing company, I can't remember off the top of my head but the models waist was much, much smaller ...
Lol, I have seen an edited photo from photoshop for a music artist on their album cover and the lady had 2 left feet. How the hell can you fail that bad at photoshop to give someone 2 frickin left feet?
01/29/2012
lilly555 lilly555
Her head is definately bigger than her waist I'm not going to blame this on Eden though I would say it's the manufacturers who use those pictures for their products. It would be nice if they stop photoshopping the hell out of women who are already beautiful without it.
01/29/2012
lexical lexical
Quote:
Originally posted by lilly555
Her head is definately bigger than her waist I'm not going to blame this on Eden though I would say it's the manufacturers who use those pictures for their products. It would be nice if they stop photoshopping the hell out of women who are ...
Agreed. I'm not blaming the photoshopping on EF, but the photo choice...It would be nice to see a little bit more of a body-positive image, especially right on the front page.
01/29/2012
EnChAnTiNg EnChAnTiNg
Yes, I very much agree... this is a very poor photoshop photo. I think if this woman really looks like this she should invest in a few kit kats to plump herself up a bit!
01/29/2012
Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
this isn't a very sex positive post for a sex positive site. though it's possible that she does have an incredibly small waist, it could be her position or that she's wearing a corset. Lingerie companies also hire thin women with larger breasts, so that's something to consider as well.

I'm sure if that the aforementioned model was browsing this site and saw this post, she probably wouldn't want to buy from Eden. It's like if someone posted a picture of any poster that's active on Eden, and then saying, "OMG! can you believe someone ACTUALLY looks like this?" it's not very nice, in my opinion.

but my point is, models are people too. Treat them as such, please.
01/29/2012
lexical lexical
Quote:
Originally posted by Ms. Spice
this isn't a very sex positive post for a sex positive site. though it's possible that she does have an incredibly small waist, it could be her position or that she's wearing a corset. Lingerie companies also hire thin women with larger ...
Ms. Spice, I have the utmost respect for models. It's not their fault that the people who process their photos choose to edit and falsify them. Don't put words in my mouth. My point is not the model. The model is clearly gorgeous! My point is the fact that her arms and her waist are photoshopped (particularly the left side), mutilating what was once a beautiful model.

OMG...I DON'T believe that she ACTUALLY looks like this. I believe the picture was photoshopped.
01/29/2012
Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
I'm sorry, I think I read way too much into what you and everyone else was saying. I get a little sensitive when I see skinny chick bashing, and since I've seen a lot of posters do this, I kind of assumed this is what you were talking about. Again, I shouldn't have jumped the gun and put words in your mouth.

I don't agree with the use of extensive Photoshop, but unfortunately, a lot of advertising agencies use this so they can sell their products. It's definitely not right, but it works and people will buy certain products like lingerie because some subconsciously think that it will make them beautiful and thin like the model, even if she has been extremely edited.
01/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
Gee, I feel really awesome about myself right now. *I* look like that, well minus those gigantic breasts...and that's precisely why I don't include pictures in a lot of my lingerie reviews and when I do, they're cropped all to hell and I never do side-shots.

It's just as easy to offend someone who is thin and naturally waif-like as it is to offend someone who is overweight or someone who simply doesn't fit the model standard.
01/29/2012
lexical lexical
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley
Gee, I feel really awesome about myself right now. *I* look like that, well minus those gigantic breasts...and that's precisely why I don't include pictures in a lot of my lingerie reviews and when I do, they're cropped all to hell and I ...
Stormy, I'm sure you're gorgeous My problem is not with the model or the body type. It's with the editing. I'm sure that you don't look like you've been photoshopped, with a weird-shaped armpit, mismatched arms, and a shadow behind you that doesn't even match the unnatural curve of your back, because your back has been pinched in by a photo edit. So...you DON'T look like this. You're much better.

If you're offended, I'm very sorry. I'm offended too.
01/29/2012
Kindred Kindred
I'm not convinced that the line in her arm pit is evidence of photoshopping. It could easily be a shadow created from harsh lighting (camera flash) that is accentuating where the pectoral muscle runs into the deltoid muscle. Her breast tissue is exaggerating the shadow. If you look closely, the same line is present in her right arm pit.
01/29/2012
lexical lexical
Quote:
Originally posted by Kindred
I'm not convinced that the line in her arm pit is evidence of photoshopping. It could easily be a shadow created from harsh lighting (camera flash) that is accentuating where the pectoral muscle runs into the deltoid muscle. Her breast tissue ...
It's not the presence of that line, it's the shape and placement of it that appears to be distorted. That line would look perfectly normal if her side/waist flowed down from there naturally, instead of being pinched in, and if her shoulder swelled upward like the other one, instead of being concave.

Also, if it were her breast tissue exaggerating the shadow, wouldn't her left side, in "the line of fire" of the lighting casting a shadow on the wall, be shadowed by her breast as well?
01/29/2012
Chirple Chirple
The shadow looks totally fake/art-ified, on purpose, and the bulge is likely her breast, since her breasts are large enough to "stick out" to the side a bit.

It's hard for me to write this because I know how sensitive Weight/Size is. I think people should be able to express how they feel about images in marketing, but at the same time I wonder if this kind of thing needs a Trigger Warning.

I'm not even a body-conscious person. I'm okay with my body, but this thread made me feel gross and bad - just like one that points out what's wrong and "unnatural" about a bigger model would have.

I certainly don't think you're obligated to make all people feel good or happy, but I wish there was a trigger warning or more emotionless and more critical analysis so that people similar to this model didn't have to feel bad. I can see the side of the argument that says it's only fair those people feel bad since all other people are ostracised... but this issue isn't that simple.

Body issues are so big, it doesn't matter what shape or size a person is, all can feel bad and hurt. I don't want to invalidate anyone, but this is a public sex-positive forum and this is a post that expresses negativity about a certain body shape that may not even be photoshopped at all and is close enough to home for many as to be hurtful.

It's hard for me to write this, because I really don't want to say that bigger people should just shut up and stop complaining. I don't want to say that. But we all need "safe" places, and this forum should be safe for ALL.

*hugs*
01/29/2012
lexical lexical
I certainly didn't intend for this to be an upsetting or offensive thread. My gut reaction was sadness and disgust that images have to be tampered with in order to make already beautiful women "more ideal". Lesson well learned. Next time I'll just keep my thoughts to myself.
01/29/2012
Chirple Chirple
I don't think it's something that should have to be silent, but something that needs a warning if emotionally triggering language is going to be used.

Or just a more critical and neutral presentation. I think the problem here is the attacks on the model's body that real people can identify with. It focused on "she's freakishly thin" instead of an analysis of the possible photoshopping. Not everyone has an eye that picks up on photoshopping easily, and even then there's room for alternate opinions.



I wish you no ill will and I understand where you're coming from. For me, I haven't reached a firm conclusion as to how I feel about these things. I know plus-size models get photoshopped, too. It's all to sell a product and I'm not really sure where the problem starts or how it's best treated.
01/29/2012
PassionateLover2 PassionateLover2
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I am very bothered by this strangely proportioned figure pictured on Eden's home page...



Is it just me or is her waist smaller than her head? I wish that EF would have chosen an image of a real person, instead of an unnaturally ...
This was definately a leap of faith. EF should have had a Mentor to check out the photo before releasing it!!
01/29/2012
In Between Soliloquies In Between Soliloquies
Quote:
Originally posted by lexical
I am very bothered by this strangely proportioned figure pictured on Eden's home page...



Is it just me or is her waist smaller than her head? I wish that EF would have chosen an image of a real person, instead of an unnaturally ...
I was thinking this exact same thing when I first saw this image on the homepage! Yes, it definitely belongs on Photoshop Disasters, because that's not quite right... It's surprising too, since EF has always had a very ...um ...realistic outlook on body shapes and sizes.
01/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
I feel like we're playing a game of "Jump to Conclusions", here.

I know, from personal experience, that when you take images from one source that editing them to fit your source can kind of turn out to be a major disaster. There are only so many images here that have white backgrounds with red dresses/lingerie to fit the theme and that was probably the best out of the bunch. If something was smooshed in trying to create the graphic that advertises this particular aspect of Eden, I'm sure it was an honest mistake.

I have never seen anyone who works for Eden shame another human being because of their body type and openly look for body shapes of all sizes and colors to participate in the video review program, as clothed or risque as you want to be.
01/30/2012
Willow Wand Willow Wand
This was my thought exactly, I think it was Photoshopped far too much and the photoshop job was done horribly.

I am in no way making remarks to the woman's REAL body. I am talking about the bad editing job that was done to the picture. Therefore, there is no reason to feel offended....unless of course, you did the editing, then, I mean to offend.
01/30/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
I would like to say that I hope that my original post didn't offend anyone who is naturally thin. I want to clarify that by 'self-esteem' smushing I meant the fact that there are people out there to want to photoshop women who are ALREADY super thin to make them thinner. I just want to make sure that everyone know I'm not hatin' on any body types.
01/30/2012
voenne voenne
This image bothers me every time I see it. The photoshopping is so bad. It doesn't offend me or make me self-conscious, it just makes me laugh that they do things like this because I'm 99.9% sure it's men doing the photoshop/airbrushing and they know nothing about women's bodies. Lol.
01/30/2012
babychika babychika
I am positive that it was photoshopped and slimmed down. But i also do think its because of the angle and the lingerie piece that makes it look so extreme
01/30/2012
Jaimes Jaimes
Take a super close look at the lingerie style and her body position. I'm a photographer, I use photoshop. I feel very strongly opposed to changing someone's body shape via photoshop, but any good photographer knows that her clients can be self conscious, and understanding depth perception can lead you to a little masking via positioning. She is being photographed at the absolute narrowest body angle. The red lingerie sweeping down her back line is tricking your eye from seeing part of her back. Check out the sweep of one of the coat tails. It isn't attached to her body. She is moving, and the wind they have on her hair is also moving the fabric. Her hips are set wide apart, and the width of her shoulder position is creating a more severe change when your eye drops to her waist.

I'm not a fan of this photo, I agree in thinking it has a very mixed/negative body image message, but I'm telling you that in this case, photoshop isn't completely to blame. Take a much closer look at what angle of her body you are really seeing, and how the cut of the lingerie falls against it. The super skinny waist is a mix of those two things, not a photoshop monkey with a penchant for liquify.
01/30/2012
K101 K101
Quote:
Originally posted by lilly555
Her head is definately bigger than her waist I'm not going to blame this on Eden though I would say it's the manufacturers who use those pictures for their products. It would be nice if they stop photoshopping the hell out of women who are ...
I agree about stopping photoshopping women. That's my problem. NO WOMAN needs to be photo shopped! I cannot figure out why any person would do that. It's insulting and honestly... it' shitty. It's saying this person wasn't "good" enough for us so let's F with her picture. Whatever though. I'm just saying how the idea it gives.. that women SHOULD look a certain way, is what upsets me. I'm not upset at EF or anybody in particular, I'm just speaking in general here. However, I have seen A LOT worse photoshopping here. I mean I'm small. I'm a size zero and there's NOTHING wrong with being small, but there is something wrong with anybody who makes it their decision to judge how any woman SHOULD look. There's nothing wrong with any woman's body and I personally, will be more inclined to purchase lingerie when it is shown on A REAL woman. No photoshopping. It's not how people look so why go and give society this idea that women need to look flawless? Flawless is not beauty, I'll be the first to say it. FLAWS ARE PART of beauty! OK, I totally did not mean for this to turn into my soapbox. Lol. Carry on.
01/31/2012
K101 K101
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Originally posted by Jaimes
Take a super close look at the lingerie style and her body position. I'm a photographer, I use photoshop. I feel very strongly opposed to changing someone's body shape via photoshop, but any good photographer knows that her clients can be ...
Yes, I too noticed how the lingerie and her position makes her look much smaller. That position, most people can do by turning that way and looking a lot smaller. I think there are tons, not just this one photo that send a negative message here.
01/31/2012
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