Silicone feeling up other silicone

Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Metis Black
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There is so very much speculation about silicone toys touching other silicone toys.

I think we've all seen what happens to some of the "lesser" materials when they touch things they shouldn't; melted jelly and fused rubber and whatnot.

But what about 100% silicone toys? Do they really need to be kept separate from each other, never to touch or feel each other up for fear of an adverse reaction? Or can we store all those pure silicone toys in the same drawer/box/bag/etc?

I read so many conflicting opinions in reviews I figured who better to ask than the Queen of Silicone herself?
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Epiphora Epiphora
Good idea. I would also like to know the Queen of Silicone's expert opinion on this.
08/07/2009
spicywife spicywife
I'd like to know as well.
08/07/2009
ScottA ScottA
While I'm nowhere near Metis, I've never had a problem in years of storing silicone toys touching. The simple explanation: Jelly-type toys are a cocktail of various chemicals that need to stay mixed together in order to work, whereas silicone toys are a non-reactive polymer that is cured in place, usually by a catalyst, and gets its elastic properties from a similar phenomenon (cross-linking) as vulcanized rubber (but the base is much more inert than the latex used for rubber).

In short, there's almost nothing to react with other toys out there. As I understand it, the silicone lube problem is a result of the silicone in some lubricants finding bonding sites with the silicone in toys, but this should be extremely unlikely with the solid silicones used in toys. If there would be any problems, it would likely show up with a soft silicone such as the one used in O2 or VixSkin toys (which seem to have the biggest problems with silicone lubes bonding to them) bonding with each other, but even this is highly unlikely.
08/08/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by ScottA
While I'm nowhere near Metis, I've never had a problem in years of storing silicone toys touching. The simple explanation: Jelly-type toys are a cocktail of various chemicals that need to stay mixed together in order to work, whereas silicone ... More
That's how I've been looking at it, too. You and Red pretty much convinced me of it a few months back and I"ve been storing all my silicone together, no problems, since then.

The only issue I've had has actually been the lining of a bag bleeding and staining some toys, but no issue with silicone on silicone.

I really like being able to see all my toys, to not have to feel around to see which toy is in which drawstring pouch...

Not to mention the pouches often leave more lint behind than I get if they're just stored in an appropriate bag/box/etc.

But I see so many reviews saying not to let stuff touch...

I wonder if anyone has ever actually had any bad reactions with silicone or if it's just an unfounded assumption.
08/08/2009
Sammi Sammi
I haven't had any problems storing them together, but I keep them separated a bit.

I'd be curious as well.
08/08/2009
ScottA ScottA
I've noticed the "Silly Putty" effect on my silicone toys if they're up against something printed, too, but it washes off without a problem.
08/08/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
We used to throw two Tantus toys together from time to time in our travel bag before we heard that you weren't supposed to do that, and I never noticed any issues. But then again, that's not the same as long-term storage and it surely doesn't vouch for other silicone brands so I'm not sure if that helps or not.
08/09/2009
deceased deceased
I've had a few silicone toys roll out of their storage bags and leave dents on each other. They didn't meld together, but their shapes were distorted. Of course room temp here is like 100 degrees.
08/09/2009
ScottA ScottA
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Originally posted by deceased
I've had a few silicone toys roll out of their storage bags and leave dents on each other. They didn't meld together, but their shapes were distorted. Of course room temp here is like 100 degrees.
Did they return to normal after a while?
08/09/2009
PurpleReign PurpleReign
From Victoria's review of one of the Nexus g/p spot toys:

"You should also be sure not to store it next to or touching other silicone toys. Remember, silicone breaks down silicone."

So...I really think we're going to need some guidance and observation on this (Red...this is right up one of your philosophical alleys).

I found the adsorb/adsorb discussion about silicone and ass smells interesting and, as a customer, very helpful. I had noticed some smell residue, even after bleach cleaning, so was curious to see the discussion on that...and I think we need to add this somehow to the brilliant (peerless, I'd say) consumer education this site provides I think we definitely need to find out about this 'melding' from...well, Red. And Metis and the other top makers of toys.

Personally, I tend to wash and keep all our wonderful silicone inventions in good plastic bags...primarily to keep dust and lint out...but maybe that has been a good thing for precisely the issue raised here.

We need some help here.
08/09/2009
Oggins Oggins
I'd also love to hear some more information on this subject because I've been scared to death to let my silicone toys roll around with each other! Some of them are just too expensive for me to feel comfortable taking even a slight chance so I always separate them out of fear that they may permanently bond to each other or something, lol! I can't wait to hear some advice from Metis Black!
08/09/2009
Owl Identified Owl Identified
To respond to something above written about silicone lubes, I accidentally grabbed a silicone (another reason to fuck with the lights on) lubricant with a Tantus toy once and it did in fact bond. Total bummer. I keep my silicone toys in separate Ziplocs too because of the link factor, but also because I'm afraid of them melting. Once I bought a jelly cock ring and within like three days of it resting near my Leo it had been virtually vaporized. I'm scared of the power of silicone, frankly.
08/09/2009
Owl Identified Owl Identified
And I should mention I am equally frightened by the shit in jelly toys, so ultimately yes I'll stick with silicone.
08/09/2009
deceased deceased
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Originally posted by ScottA
Did they return to normal after a while?
No, they stayed indented and dented, permanently.
08/10/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
I also have to wonder if stacking toys (silicone and others) in those flimsy clear boxes they come in is ok long-term? We just built a headboard cabinet awhile back for ours, and that's what we've been doing in there. But now that I think of it, I'd imagine that since those cheapie packagings aren't airtight, then any gasses or whatever could mingle and might be bad. What do you think?
08/10/2009
Liz2 Liz2
I have been going by the adage; "there is silicone and there is silicone".
Initially I stored all my Tantus toys together w/o a problem. I read so many silicone "warnings" that now with my Vixskin toys, I store each toy in an individual zip lock bag, including Tantus toys. Great visibility and no lint.
Guess I just don't want to take a chance with expensive toys. Has anyone experimented?
With my old jelly toys I ruined a few by them adhering to each other.
08/10/2009
Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
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Originally posted by Liz2
I have been going by the adage; "there is silicone and there is silicone".
Initially I stored all my Tantus toys together w/o a problem. I read so many silicone "warnings" that now with my Vixskin toys, I store each toy in an ... More
I also keep my silicone in separate clear zip baggies. I've never let them touch. I paid for all but two of the them without a discount so I'm not about to take a chance they will get messed up.
On the Vixen products... I think it was on the Goodfella box that it said not to store it "separately" from other toys. I'm not sure because I don't have that box any more.
08/10/2009
Metis Black Metis Black
This is the first I've ever heard of silicone needing to be separated from silicone... we certainly have never done it. In production we have bins (in plastic bins) of unpackaged product lying side by side. So in my 11 years and millions of products, we've never had any issue.

The only reason to bag silicone products are for organization, dust/cleanliness, travel or so they don't touch fragile materials that will break down.

Really I'm stumped at why Nexus tells you to bag your products- but I'm not sure where the Nexus line is made nor what type grade of material they use.

Hope that was helpful and thanks to EdenFantasys for twittering to me to come give my 2 cents.

Again my biggest peev is that what is labeled silicone isn't always. Ask what is Cybersilicone(tm), in fact there is so much product out there labeled silicone that has no business being called such that it's scary. I used to think it had trace elements of silicone but I know now it's pure mislabeling.

Regarding denting- the only issue we've ever had was with O2 being so soft it will show indentations from wire racks (which we use to dry all of our other products once we've washed them prior to packaging). I assume Vixskin is the same way. Other products that "dent" are probably not a real silicone- or they don't have the catylist mixed at a proper ratio.
08/10/2009
Metis Black Metis Black
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Originally posted by Metis Black
This is the first I've ever heard of silicone needing to be separated from silicone... we certainly have never done it. In production we have bins (in plastic bins) of unpackaged product lying side by side. So in my 11 years and millions of ... More
That's weird... Paragraph 3 and 4 were supposed to be at the end... damned my editing skills. LOL
08/10/2009
Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
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Originally posted by Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
I also keep my silicone in separate clear zip baggies. I've never let them touch. I paid for all but two of the them without a discount so I'm not about to take a chance they will get messed up.
On the Vixen products... I think it was on ... More
Gah.
I meant to say
"...the Goodfella box said TO store it 'separately' from other toys."
08/10/2009
Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
This is the first I've ever heard of silicone needing to be separated from silicone... we certainly have never done it. In production we have bins (in plastic bins) of unpackaged product lying side by side. So in my 11 years and millions of ... More
Thank you!
08/10/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
Thank GODS.

I am tossing out all the satin pouches I bought. Cuz I'm TIRED of not being able to feast my eyes on my pretty colored toys in their pretty pink toy bags.

I want rainbows and I want to see the toys so I remember I have them and actually use them, instead of seeing bag upon bag upon bag in my bags.

Um.

Sorry.

Wee babble there.

Thank you, Metis!
08/10/2009
Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
Thank GODS.

I am tossing out all the satin pouches I bought. Cuz I'm TIRED of not being able to feast my eyes on my pretty colored toys in their pretty pink toy bags.

I want rainbows and I want to see the toys so I remember I have ... More
You have pink toy bags? Where did you find them?
08/10/2009
Adriana Ravenlust Adriana Ravenlust
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
This is the first I've ever heard of silicone needing to be separated from silicone... we certainly have never done it. In production we have bins (in plastic bins) of unpackaged product lying side by side. So in my 11 years and millions of ... More
Great to know!
08/10/2009
Carrie Ann Carrie Ann
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Originally posted by Not Here Anymore f/k/a Happy Lady
You have pink toy bags? Where did you find them?
Storage cases. I probably should make that more clear. I tend to call my storage cases bags and my bags pouches.
08/10/2009
Alan & Michele Alan & Michele
Quote:
Originally posted by Metis Black
This is the first I've ever heard of silicone needing to be separated from silicone... we certainly have never done it. In production we have bins (in plastic bins) of unpackaged product lying side by side. So in my 11 years and millions of ... More
Well I guess that explains why we never had problems with them in the travel bag then. Tantus rocks!

I just bought the O2 last week though, so I have to ask... how do you suggest storing that so it doesn't get the dents? It's too big for a Ziploc bag. And are the dents permanent if it gets them?
08/10/2009
Metis Black Metis Black
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Originally posted by Alan & Michele
Well I guess that explains why we never had problems with them in the travel bag then. Tantus rocks!

I just bought the O2 last week though, so I have to ask... how do you suggest storing that so it doesn't get the dents? It's too big ... More
Thanks. In usual storage you shouldn't get dents. Pressed up against other toys shouldn't hurt it unless you have lots of pressure on them and a perforated hard surface...

I love quart sized zip locks for my toys when traveling. Sandwich sized only allow a lone butt plug.
08/10/2009
Red Red
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Originally posted by Carrie Ann
That's how I've been looking at it, too. You and Red pretty much convinced me of it a few months back and I"ve been storing all my silicone together, no problems, since then.

The only issue I've had has actually been the ... More
Me and ScottA are often on the exact same page, it seems. I swear, however, we're two different ppl
08/10/2009
Red Red
Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleReign
From Victoria's review of one of the Nexus g/p spot toys:

"You should also be sure not to store it next to or touching other silicone toys. Remember, silicone breaks down silicone."

So...I really think we're going to ... More
I have been conducting a silicone melding experiment, informally, for probably seven years, cause I never worried about it and always let my silicone toys live together in harmony (which is just reinforcing what Metis said, obvs). I have opted to keep my two vix skin toys in bags, cause they just feel more...vulnerable. Plus they get so much hair on them...

Anyways, I'll pose this question to the crowd - do rocks melt into one another? How about hard plastics... That's tongue in cheek, and not exactly the same, of course, but...don't over think silicone, you know? It's not like a cryptic substance that plays by crazy rules.

I *think* the silicone melting fear stems from the word "silicone" being used instead of more specific terms, like "silicone oils" and "silicone polymer". But hey, I'm always open to corrections to my thinking!
08/10/2009
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