#SummerPleasure - #SexIs - Is “Fat Acceptance” Just As Dangerous as “Thinspiration”?

Ansley Ansley


Summer Pleasure: Is “Fat Acceptance” Just As Dangerous as “Thinspiration”?

You may have heard about sites that are "pro-ana". The content and mission of sites like this is to encourage eating disorders in impressionable people. It mostly targets women, but men can be affected by eating disorders as well. Sites like Pinterest and Google + have blocked people from posting content from known sites and it's just one step in the right direction.

Then, there's the flip side of the coin - what Roland carefully calls "fat acceptance". There are organizations pushing to end the bullying of people who are overweight and/or obese. While their intentions may be good, Roland questions the notion. He believes most obese Americans are not "fat & fit". Rather, they are the typical couch potato people often joke about under their breath.



Before you bring out the pitchforks and torches, it should be said that Roland is calling for a general acceptance of everyone. Yet, it should be said that being overweight and unfit is opening the door to a sundry of health issues.

It's also become a fetish. There are many sites that cater towards men who love big, beautiful women and the women they admire. There's a much darker side to that, however. There is an extreme fetish called feederism. Where men ask women to gain as much weight as they possibly can. It's an eye-opening reality in this day and age. Knowing that being overweight drastically increases your chance of diabetes and other major heath concerns one can't help but wonder, how far is too far? What say you, Edenites? How far is too far?
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
Have you heard of the Fat Acceptance movement?
Yes, I've heard of it before.
Taylor , T&A1987 , Master DarkWolf , DreamWolf , comatose-kitty , digit88 , SexyStuff , kitty1949 , YvetteJeannine
9  (12%)
No, this is a first.
wdanas , Incendiaire , sexynola , hotcherry , Norma Jeans
5  (7%)
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What do you think of the Fat Acceptance movement?
It's a fine line between healthy and unhealthy.
- Kira - , Kindred , PeaceToTheMiddleEast , freud13 , Ryuson , quackbuster , Woman China , SneakersAndPearls , amazon , animepanda89 , Geogeo , <3BF , P'Gell , Loriandhubby , Red Vinyl Kitty , pirata , js250 , ghent529 , Rayne Millaray , Melan!e , ghalik , LaSchwartz , Yaoi Pervette (deleted) , LAndJ , Mightymegarod , Missy May , wicked weasel , Lavendar , Missmarc , VioletMoonstone , FHeemz , KRD , Sohotdinosaur , thornrose , MistressDandelion , wwwww , TheirPet , eggiweg , Naruto , sweetiejo , Mamastoys , Crystal1
42  (55%)
I'm not really sure what I think.
Airen Wolf , PropertyOfPotter , goodeatz , legna , nori , BoobCopter , Gunsmoke , tortilla , Weiner
9  (12%)
I think it's a great idea!
Caitlin1 , Faeya , joja , Kayla , zeebot , amplified to rock , carenautilus
7  (9%)
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Mwar , unfulfilled , SilverIsis , indiechick
4  (5%)
Total votes: 76
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06/28/2012
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T&A1987 T&A1987
There should be another option "it's fine as long as we A don't judge others without information other than looks and B don't care as long as it doesn't affect us." long, I know.
06/28/2012
T&A1987 T&A1987
This was the post I made on the article.

I agree with most of what you've said, but I think one of the reason the "legitimate" fat acceptance blogs, members, etc exist is because so few people take the time to do what you did. One acknowledge that there may be large people who are healthy, they eat well and exercise, but just have difficulty losing weight and two, if they're happy, you're happy. I've been overweight too, arguably still am and from my experience, few people make those distinctions. rather if someone is fat, it's because they're a bad person, who is lazy, stupid and eats poorly. that may be the case for some or many people, but without medical charts there's no way of knowing this. I get the feeling that fat acceptance, outside the militants that every group attracts, is mostly about not being judged based a number on a scale, or health without the medial chart and proper training. Yet there have been some studies at least showing that not only is there a stigma towards fat people, not backed up on individual information, but also those who were once fat.

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Even if you move somewhere new, the internal stereotypes usually stick with a person.

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Or to put everything more succinctly, don't be a jerk, don't think you know everything about someone just by their appearance, but if someone you care about is harming their body through inactivity and poor diet, say something tactfully.
06/28/2012
Ryuson Ryuson
I think that everyones own body is their own business. It's between them, their family, their physicians, and maybe their insurance agent how well off they are. I personally think that we should accept EVERYONE for the way they are.

If a person is unhealthy (be they too slim or too wide) and they feel better that way and are fine with the health issues and reduced life expectancy, we should be able to accept and appreciate who they are and not yell mean things or judge them. I mean, I don't think that we should be all "Whoo! Way to be over/underweight!" but I also don't think that we should be telling them how to live their lives.
06/28/2012
zeezee zeezee
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley


Summer Pleasure: Is “Fat Acceptance” Just As Dangerous as “Thinspiration”?

You may have heard about sites that are "pro-ana". The content and mission of sites like this is to encourage eating disorders in impressionable ... More
Woah, fat acceptance is just accepting people's bodies for how they are. The way our culture views "health" does not accept that a healthy body shape/weight is different for every individual. Besides, even if someone is unhealthy, that's really none of your business. Is it so hard to let people try to feel good about themselves?
If a diverse range of body types were accepted into the mainstream, larger bodies would not be so fetishized as they would not be seen as anything unusual. Fat acceptance won't increase feederism. That's quite an implication to put on a body-positive movement.
06/28/2012
T&A1987 T&A1987
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Originally posted by zeezee
Woah, fat acceptance is just accepting people's bodies for how they are. The way our culture views "health" does not accept that a healthy body shape/weight is different for every individual. Besides, even if someone is unhealthy, ... More
the comments regarding feederism also presupposes that the fetish is only shared by men, IE the women are not satisfied sexually when being fed. This seems to assume no woman would ever have the fetish to be fed or gain, when some do.
06/29/2012
Airen Wolf Airen Wolf
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley


Summer Pleasure: Is “Fat Acceptance” Just As Dangerous as “Thinspiration”?

You may have heard about sites that are "pro-ana". The content and mission of sites like this is to encourage eating disorders in impressionable ... More
I think the world has some pretty crazy notions about what is healthy and fit. Sometimes what is portrayed as being healthy is actually scarily thin and not rounded with healthy muscle. I was very muscular as a young woman but I was labeled "chunky" and told that I needed to lose the weight. Looking back I had this amazing figure I would kill to have back but at the time I was so hard on myself that I think a little bit of fat acceptance wouldn't have hurt.
I am overweight, I hurt, I struggle to walk across the floor so I can put on my prosthetic enhanced shoes in the morning, and I am still struggling to rebuild what, in my intense depression, I let get away. I miss being able to move without pain, fluidly and easily. I miss it enough to work my ass off, to rebuild my body. I don't want to be thin, I don't want to see my ribs when I inhale but sometimes I wonder if I will ever be thin enough to cure the sickness in my soul.
My brain knows that thin people struggling to retain muscle have it no easier than I do...and can be just as unhealthy and in as much pain. THAT is the difference that growing up and out of my mental prison has shown me. I have empathy for all weight problems and I am tackling mine in an effort to not need medication for heart disease and diabetes.
I have a place in my heart for accepting people for who and what they are no matter how big or small they are. I also have a place in my heart for those struggling along side me to get or regain their health.
As a kinky person I appreciate fetishes but as a mindful person I cannot understand gluttony to the point of immobility. I narrowly missed being confined to a wheelchair at the age of four and again at the age of 11 I would never give up my mobility...I cherish it enough to fight for it. On the other hand I would not want to judge someone else for their decisions even if I cannot agree with it.

Fat or thin or in between we are all beautiful for something...we are ALL loved by someone. I think for the time being I'll celebrate that.
06/29/2012
Faeya Faeya
I'm not thin. I haven't been thin since I was a baby. Chubby, rubbing thighs, belly, thick waist, heavy arms...the whole bit. The best shape of my life, in high school marching band, I was still classified morbidly obese by doctors. Sure, I could definitely stand to be healthier...everyone could probably. But, I'll always be "fat" by current standards. And, I don't really care. I look good enough for Dragon, good enough for myself, and good enough for the people that really matter. My size doesn't have anything to do with my health.

Fat acceptance/health at any size were instrumental in restoring a great deal of my self esteem after too many years of consuming messages that I would never be able to be attractive. I'd turned down potential partners and missed out on many things because I didn't think anyone could be attracted to a "fat cow like me". Encourage good health, happy movement, good food, and happiness by all means, but don't tie it into body size. If someone gets healthier and they lose weight because of it, that's fine...but it should be seen as a side effect, not the goal.
06/29/2012
digit88 digit88
Quote:
Originally posted by Ansley


Summer Pleasure: Is “Fat Acceptance” Just As Dangerous as “Thinspiration”?

You may have heard about sites that are "pro-ana". The content and mission of sites like this is to encourage eating disorders in impressionable ... More
heard of but dont know what to think of it
06/29/2012
SneakersAndPearls SneakersAndPearls
I wonder if, perhaps, after so many years of being bombarded with images of women that are just about impossible looking, that this is an extreme way of fighting back against what has been the gold standard of beauty for a long time. Although I try not to judge anyone on their looks and believe in the beauty of everyone, I do believe that encouraging unhealthy eating habits, whether it be "fat acceptance" or "pro-ana" is not what you would call a good thing.
06/29/2012
amazon amazon
Sure, on rare occassion fat is a medical condition, but the reality is, it's a lifestyle choice. Anyone can choose not to be fat, they just need to put effort behind it. It may take years, but it's unhealthy for the human body to carry that kind of prolonged, excessive fat.
06/29/2012
PropertyOfPotter PropertyOfPotter
Quote:
Originally posted by Ryuson
I think that everyones own body is their own business. It's between them, their family, their physicians, and maybe their insurance agent how well off they are. I personally think that we should accept EVERYONE for the way they are.

If a ... More
Well said!
06/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by Faeya
I'm not thin. I haven't been thin since I was a baby. Chubby, rubbing thighs, belly, thick waist, heavy arms...the whole bit. The best shape of my life, in high school marching band, I was still classified morbidly obese by doctors. Sure, I ... More
That's really great to hear that it was encouraging for you.

I think everyone should be happy with how they look and it's up to them to change it if they don't like it. In whatever means they wish. Your body is your business.

What I think is so amazing is that in every issue we face when it comes to being labeled or judged is that there is always a section of people who turn it into a fetish. The list is long and distinguished. That's when I start scratching my head.

Didn't we used to preach that it was mind over body and it was the person inside that counted? Where did that line of thinking go? Now, everyone has a label to bear. Some wear them proudly, while others induce major issues with self-esteem.
06/29/2012
<3BF <3BF
I wish we could have picked multiple boxes because I have heard of the movement before, but I also wanted to share that I feel obesity is a real health problem and it shouldn't be ignored. Healths problems causing death brought on by obesity have surpassed smoking for being the deadliest preventable killer in America: Obesity. The New York Times reported that the current generation of children may be the first to not live as long as their parents due to overeating: NYT. Now preventable health issues always boil down to individual choice but people should be encouraged to make the right choices, not insulted for making the wrong ones.
06/29/2012
Mwar Mwar
I don't think anyone should be an ass and put people down. Don't be a jerk.

However, I'm not going to support those who wish to do nothing about their ticking health time bomb.

Perhaps I sound horrible, but I'm only willing to help those who will help themselves.
06/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
I understand what the article is saying. Of course, someone's appearance is NEVER a reason to legitimize teasing, bullying or tormenting.

However, despite "acceptance" of how people look, being extremely overweight is extremely unhealthy. The rate of virtually every disease from Type II Diabetes, to heart disease, to digestive disorders, to immune function disorders, to even malnutrition (yes, it is actually common for people to be morbidly obese and still malnourished) has been proven by study after study.

Health isn't everyone's business? I don't know. When our school menus have high fat, high glycemic index, starchy, artificial foods in it, instead of healthy fresh foods, it effects my child and every family in the area. When those kids then have poor health (assuming their parents eat unhealthily as well) everyone ends up suffering not to mention paying for this decrease in the overall health of the population.

Being kind when someone is overweight but working on it is one thing, encouraging people to stay unhealthy with a high body mass that could easy kill them and probably will is an other story. I'm a nurse and see the problems obesity presents on a regular basis.

Shouldn't everyone strive for optimal health? Shouldn't people be encourage to strive for optimal health?

I think we should be accepting of others, but shouldn't encourage unhealthy behaviors.
06/29/2012
Loriandhubby Loriandhubby
I learn so much here on Eden.

I struggled with my weight for years and years. When I was 9 I wore sized 18 pants. By the time I ran away and moved to New Orleans I was so over weight the club would not let me strip, instead I had to sell drinks. Unfortantly, I droped the weight very quickly in a very not healthy manner. Fortantly since I left Bourbon St., I have been able to keep the weight off in a healthy way.

It is hard to be what most would call "Fat" and it is equally hard to be "too skinny". Aceptance is key to good self perception. Unfortantly, it sounds like some groups are going way to far. It seems that within the fettish world many people let others tell them what to do and how to do it. Even when it goes against what they feel inside or what they know is healthy and safe.
06/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
Quote:
Originally posted by <3BF
I wish we could have picked multiple boxes because I have heard of the movement before, but I also wanted to share that I feel obesity is a real health problem and it shouldn't be ignored. Healths problems causing death brought on by obesity ... More
Well said at the end. We all have flaws and every one of us has a vice.
For some it's sex, for some it's fashion magazines, and for others it's food. Pretty much anything can become a vice when you learn to rely on it. No one should be shamed. But, if they want help it should be available.
06/29/2012
SexyStuff SexyStuff
It goes too far when we are banned from terms like obese or fat in educational settings. People need to know the health risks and to be realistic about their risks. Calling an obese person overweight may minimize the problem with words, but it does not minimize the health risks.
06/29/2012
SexyStuff SexyStuff
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Originally posted by Ansley
Well said at the end. We all have flaws and every one of us has a vice.
For some it's sex, for some it's fashion magazines, and for others it's food. Pretty much anything can become a vice when you learn to rely on it. No one should ... More
This is so true- some peoples vices are more apparent (like an over eating sweet tooth), but that doesn't mean we can shame them just because our vices are more easily hidden.
06/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
Ack, I just realized the poll is wonky. Sorry about that.

I'm really glad that we can have such an open dialogue about this kind of stuff without it turning into screaming matches.

For a lot of people, being overweight is not a choice and I don't think it's something that should exploited.
06/29/2012
unfulfilled unfulfilled
I had never heard of it until now, and don't know what to think about it. Some people have health issues where they can't help if they're small or big so I say don't judge anyone.
06/29/2012
legna legna
I think that people should accept everyone for who they are no matter what. Yes for the ones who are like that cuz they are being lazy, we should make sure they are at least informed of how it affects them but if they still choose to be that way, then they should be accepted anyways. We shouldn't judge others about anything. Just make sure everyone is informed of the health things and let them choose. Now I don't mean go out and find people that are like that and point stuff out to them. I mean give out things to everyone on articles like that so that we aren't pointing fingers cuz that would be judging.
06/29/2012
Smokedawg Smokedawg
I don't have a problem with the fat acceptance movement. What I do have a problem with, and have seen more and more often, are people who are overweight who browbeat people who express a desire to change their eating and activity habits to reduce fat and/or become more fit. Some people in the fat acceptance movement are endorsing and encouraging people to remain obese, which is every bit as bad as thin people pressuring people to be (or remain) overly underweight/lean/thin.

Acceptance means accepting that people WILL sometimes want to change their body shape/level of fitness/etc. and have every right to do so (and not be judged as traitors for doing so).

"Acceptance" movements of most types eventually begin to breed fanatics who proselytize unhealthy and/or unpleasant things, and their numbers sometimes grow fast and they can exert a great deal of negative influence.
06/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by Smokedawg
I don't have a problem with the fat acceptance movement. What I do have a problem with, and have seen more and more often, are people who are overweight who browbeat people who express a desire to change their eating and activity habits to reduce ... More
This is an interesting phenomenon. I have not thought about it a lot, usually being within 15 lbs of my target weight, with a few exceptions that I worked on and was able to bring into control. (Still, sometimes those 15 lbs are stubborn, but I admit readily, I am not as active physically as I should be.)

I have seen people who come from families in which the matriarch or even the patriarch are overweight who have had to nearly cut off connections with their family to lose the weight. Their family members who were staying large did virtually everything in their power to sabotage their weight loss, from cooking their favorite foods to outright intimidation.

It never occurred to me, thought, that there could be fanatics in the "Acceptance" movement. I guess it can happen in any movement.

When I was trained as a nurse, "gland disorders" were presented as something that never, ever caused weight problems, we were told people used them as excuses not to exercise and to continue to overeat or eat unhealthy foods. (The funny part was, one of the nurses who taught this course was about 50 or 60 lbs overweight, an irony that did not escape us students.) I still vaccinate on the validity of those teachings. With the advent of barometric gastro procedures it is found that everyone loses weight, unless they somehow re stretch the small pocket that then serves as their stomach. And, during these procedures, the stomachs of overweight people are universally found to be unusually large and stretched well beyond normal size. (Meaning at some point in that person's life, they ate enough to effect the size of the organ itself.)

If "glandular disorders" (or PCOS or other hormonal issues) were a true cause of weight problems, then people would stay overweight when these procedures performed. They simply don't, unless they slowly restretch the stomach again.

I agree that hormones can certainly play a role. I have a harder time staying in my target weight area when I am on the Pill, taking Depo Provera or using estrogens, but it's not impossible, only more difficult.

With the coming future of Universal Health Care (and I do think it's coming) we will all be directly paying for each other's health. Even more than we do now, or at least it will be more obvious that we do so. (We already do, based on hospital costs, medication costs, doctor office visits etc.)

I think there will be more pressure in the near future to stay healthier. Everyone from smokers, to the overweight, to those who over indulge in junk food to even those who don't to exercise to make more of an effort to help themselves and reduce health care costs for all.

When one realizes that there are health care problems that are completely out of one's control (I mentioned a friend of mine's little boy who had a heart transplant on an other thread) those who need health care resources for things completely out of their control, and those who simply need little or no health care dollars used for themselves will most likely continue to put pressure on health care problems for which people do have some modicum of control.

My guess: smoking, addictions and overweight will be the first targeted.
06/29/2012
T&A1987 T&A1987
Quote:
Originally posted by P'Gell
I understand what the article is saying. Of course, someone's appearance is NEVER a reason to legitimize teasing, bullying or tormenting.

However, despite "acceptance" of how people look, being extremely overweight is extremely ... More
"Shouldn't everyone strive for optimal health? Shouldn't people be encourage to strive for optimal health?"

That would likely involve giving up meat, any sugar, dairy and many more products. The thing about optimal health is that the margins aren't worth it. I'd rather live 1 or 2 years less than spend those extra years not eating meat, sugar or animal products. The question is whether or not what's sacrificed is worth the gain. For many, the slight improvement in health may not be worth the sacrifice. Note, i'm not talking about not changing a lifestyle when someone has high blood pressure and cholesterol and diabetes or is at high risk. Rather someone who is at average or below average blood pressure, cholesterol etc, etc, may not abstain from red meat and dairy even though they're not at optimal health, they consider it a good fit for their lifestyle.
06/29/2012
Yaoi Pervette (deleted) Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
Quote:
Originally posted by P'Gell
I understand what the article is saying. Of course, someone's appearance is NEVER a reason to legitimize teasing, bullying or tormenting.

However, despite "acceptance" of how people look, being extremely overweight is extremely ... More
P'Gell, I could not have said it better. I have struggled with weight my entire life. At my heaviest, I was 360 pounds. I've experienced my share of ostracism and discrimination, and I don't think anyone should be treated poorly for looking a certain way. However, obesity kills. If a person were anorexic, they would be encouraged to get help. On the other hand, some seem to perceive telling an obese person to get help as being "mean" or "intolerant". It's not!
06/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by T&A1987
"Shouldn't everyone strive for optimal health? Shouldn't people be encourage to strive for optimal health?"

That would likely involve giving up meat, any sugar, dairy and many more products. The thing about optimal health is ... More
I don't think optimal health requires giving up ALL meat and sugar. One can use moderation.

One or two years of extra life? That's one thing. Ten or 20 years of extra life, and living what years one has in better health? Not having to use a "scooter" because one is too big too move, not being so diabetic that one goes blind, cannot perform sexually, cannot enjoy life at all? YES, it's worth some moderation.

It doesn't require eliminating all meat or all sugar. Only eating healthily for your body type.
06/29/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by Yaoi Pervette (deleted)
P'Gell, I could not have said it better. I have struggled with weight my entire life. At my heaviest, I was 360 pounds. I've experienced my share of ostracism and discrimination, and I don't think anyone should be treated poorly for ... More
Thank you. I agree, people should be kindly encouraged to become healthy. KINDLY being the key concept.
06/29/2012
T&A1987 T&A1987
Quote:
Originally posted by P'Gell
I don't think optimal health requires giving up ALL meat and sugar. One can use moderation.

One or two years of extra life? That's one thing. Ten or 20 years of extra life, and living what years one has in better health? Not having to ... More
which is why i said i wasn't referring to the extreme cases, I agree with you on that on that.
06/29/2012
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