How do you discipline your kids?

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How do you discipline your kids?

SaMiKaY SaMiKaY
If you don't have kids, how do you think you'd discipline them?

I was raised by my grandparents, if I disrespected them, did something I knew I wasn't supposed to do, or otherwise needed to be disciplined I got spanked. So many people I talk to are like religiously against spanking a child.

How do you disciple? [private voting]
Answers (private voting - your screen name will NOT appear in the results):
Softly telling them what they did was wrong
23
Time outs
37
Spanking
24
Yelling
15
Taking things away (toys, tv, etc)
43
Nothing, my kids don't listen and that's who they are
2
Total votes: 144 (47 voters)
Poll is closed
02/22/2012
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Sexy Housewife Sexy Housewife
Quote:
Originally posted by SaMiKaY
If you don't have kids, how do you think you'd discipline them?

I was raised by my grandparents, if I disrespected them, did something I knew I wasn't supposed to do, or otherwise needed to be disciplined I got spanked. So many ...
We do a combination of things with our daughter.

1st, we set her up not to fail. She's 1.5, there's certain things she's just not going to listen to (like, don't pull my tampons out from under the sink). Instead of leaving them in a place she can get to and having to punish her for something she really can't seem to help i just put them in a place she can't even get to.

Then if she does do something i get down on her level, explain to her how it is wrong, and then we follow with a consequence.

Sometimes that is a time out, sometimes it's taking a toy away, saying sorry, whatever the case may be.

I believe in treating children like PEOPLE and with respect. I would never hit another adult so why would i hit my child? Hitting just teaches them that if you're bigger or stronger you're better. Or it teaches them to not get caught, but it doesn't actually correct the behavior. And being hit/spanked is confusing for a child. Here is someone that is supposed to love them unconditionally and then they are hurting them and causing them pain. That is very confusing in a young child's life.

SO no, we do not spank and i plan on not doing that. Yes, i will probably slip up as this was the way i was raised but i want things to be better for my child, so no, no spanking.
02/22/2012
SaMiKaY SaMiKaY
Quote:
Originally posted by Sexy Housewife
We do a combination of things with our daughter.

1st, we set her up not to fail. She's 1.5, there's certain things she's just not going to listen to (like, don't pull my tampons out from under the sink). Instead of leaving ...
thanks for sharing!

My daughter pulled out my tampons one day and opened them then used them like Lincoln logs hahaha

I didn't punish her for that. I praised her innovation! But I put them up higher next time
02/22/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
Quote:
Originally posted by SaMiKaY
If you don't have kids, how do you think you'd discipline them?

I was raised by my grandparents, if I disrespected them, did something I knew I wasn't supposed to do, or otherwise needed to be disciplined I got spanked. So many ...
I am not against spanking by any means.

I think that this is going to definitely depend on 1. Their actions and 2. Their age.

I fully believe that you shouldn't spank a child that is of a younger age. They just don't know any better, and if they do, they are testing boundaries. That is when, as adults, we have to let them know what those boundaries are.

However, there was once that I spanked my 2 year old. He ran out the house door and right to our busy road. I ran after him, but had a baby in my arms too, so that made things a little difficult. When I finally reached him, right next to the cars zipping past, I spanked his butt a good couple of times and yelled "NO! OWIES!" and led him back inside. Mind you, he never did it again because he definitely remembered that butt whoopin' BUT I did it because 1. He scared the bejesus out of me and I acted out of impulse. 2. That was something that was VERY dangerous to do and I wanted to imprint in his mind that that was NOT acceptable.

Other than that, I have spanked my children quite a few times between the ages of 5 and 8. However, they are older now, and I don't do that anymore. They realize the "hurt" of getting their electronics taken away, time with friends taken away and other punishments. They realllllly don't like doing the "dirty chores" either, so that is always a plus, because neither do I LOL!

I believe that a firm "plan" is what you need with kids. Consistency is HUGE. If they know what their consequence will be.....every time....More than likely, they will refrain from doing something.

I agree with the first comment about how you shouldn't set your kids up to fail. That is a very good thing to do. What she said about follow through is good too. But I don't think that calmly getting down to my 2 year olds level would have stopped him from darting into the road of passing cars again. So, its the situation and age.

What I do now is, I will send them to their room (because usually I am not "calm enough" to talk to them or discipline them). After about 15 minutes, Ill tell them to come out. I will ask them if they know why they are being punished. Then, when they have a full understanding of what they did was wrong, I ask them what they SHOULD have done in that situation, rather than what they DID do. Then, I assign punishments.

The only time that I spanked my kids is when they were doing something that was VERY dangerous or reaching for hot things, trying to tip a pan off the stove (while it was on...yeah, one of them tried that before, I about had a stroke). Stuff like that. It was more of an impulse thing because I wanted to get it into their head that "NO!OUCH!" or something of that nature. I found too that when I did that, it scared them because I was so loud and swift with my words, then followed by a spankin' that they were more scared than "physically hurt" by the spankin'. But they remembered what happened and they never did it again.

I tried telling my daughter over and over and over again "NO, that is hot, we don't touch!" with my curling iron. One day she walked right into my bathroom, with me standing there, and wrapped her hand around it......Yup, she got a good burn, and scared the crap out of me, but I guess that was one of those things she just had to learn for herself. Had I spanked her every time she went towards it, maybe she wouldn't have went after it. Needless to say, the "talking to her" thing didn't work.

Ahhh I have stories upon stories, but you're probably sick of reading this so Ill shut up now LMAO.........

PS...I think rebelling and disobeying our parents/grandparents is all apart of growing up. Testing boundaries is what kids do. Thing is, its the parents job to make sure that we draw that line and stand our ground. CONSISTENCY is key and so is communication.
02/22/2012
bsgs bsgs
with our kids, we start by telling them what they did wrong, and not to do it again, or theyll get a time out. then when they do it again, they go to time out, and we tell them if they do it again, theyll get a spanking. if they keep doing it after that, we give them another spanking and put them in their bed for a while.

as for taking toys away, they know that except for a few selected toys, all of their toys stay down in the playroom. they get one warning, and then we take the toys away.
02/22/2012
Cookie Monster Mike Cookie Monster Mike
All of the above? I don't have kids, but my fiancee and I have a pretty good idea on how we are going to discipline them! I do not screw around when it comes to kids behavior and neither does she. She works full time with 4 kids from 2 different families as a Nanny, self employed.

I was brought up in an interesting environment, sure, my mother yelled at me, spanked me, broke a wooden spoon on my ass before. Do I really agree with all that now? Not completely. I feel minor physical discipline is in rare cases necessary, like a light tap on the hand etc. But I will not go as far as beating or hurting my kids.. Ever!

I'd honestly time-outs, taking things away, hell yes! But when it's necessary of course. Also, softly telling them can be just as effective if not more depending on your child. There are 2 types of parents who annoy me the most. First, the ones who ALWAYS yell and hit their kids. Second, the ones who DO NOTHING to discipline them or pay any attention to them. I'd go on a rant about that but not today

Conclusion: Balance is key, and overall how good of a parent you are to your child. Raising them with structure, respect, manners and teaching them right from wrong is key. But a lot of people don't have the patience, or care to do that
02/22/2012
BobbiJay BobbiJay
Well it depends on the "crime". It starts by telling him what he did was wrong and why. Then if the behavior continues he gets a time-out. If it still continues he gets his t.v, Nintendo ds, and other toys and electronics taken away. That is a tough one for him so it rarely gets this far.

I have spanked him. Only when he has done something really bad like hitting me for no reason other than he is throwing a fit and explain that if he doesn't like being spanked I don't like being hit. He has done that twice and he is 6 now. I think he has learned it is NOT okay.
02/22/2012
Kissy Kissy
I don't have kids, but doesn't it depend a lot on their age?
02/22/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
We don't hit our kids. It only causes them to avoid letting you catch them, causes shame instead of real self introspection and tells them it's OK for bigger people to HURT smaller people if they want to. Most well done studies have shown that most bullies as well as many bully victims are victims of being hit at home.

We use a mix of talking, time outs, taking things away, docking allowance etc.

Only one of our three kids ever "ran into the street" (why? Because we let them know ahead of time it was NOT an OK thing to do) and we simply grabbed her and delineated the place on the driveway where she was not to go past. It never happened again. She didn't need to be physically harmed in addition to the fear of realizing she had already disobeyed us. I see no reason to hit children.

I've raised three kids, all turned out great and most of my friends don't hit either. If one set of parents can raise a bunch of different kids without physical violence then everyone can. Hitting is a lazy parenting technique. When I see parents who hit, I see it escalate as the child tests the parents more and more as resentment on both sides builds. If their hitting worked, they would have only needed to do it ONCE, yet I see hitters doing it more and more as time goes on.

I do think most parents have a weak moment where they feel they are out of options (they aren't out of options, but they think they are) and it may happen once in a blue moon, but no one should go into parenting thinking, "Yeah, I'm gonna beat that kid's ass whenever."

All the data from Child Development experts and studies have show absolutely NO benefit to hitting children and a lot of harm. There is simply NO reason to hit a helpless child.
02/22/2012
Ms. Spice Ms. Spice
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Originally posted by MamaDivine
I am not against spanking by any means.

I think that this is going to definitely depend on 1. Their actions and 2. Their age.

I fully believe that you shouldn't spank a child that is of a younger age. They just don't know any ...
Um, how is it consistent to hit a child only during a certain age range, and then suddenly stop? Sorry, you lost me at that.
02/22/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
I just wanted to add a few more things; Setting up a well run, predictable, well disciplined home environment can usually eliminate most of the reasons to even feel you need to do more than take a few things away or give a time out once in a while.

Discipline starts in infancy, when you and your partner respond to the baby's every need with love and kindness. This sets up a pattern of trust that will help carry you through the rough times (like having a 3 year old, or a teen ager) Discipline means "to teach" not "to harm." I feel one's job as a parent, if one feels the calling to take on such a rough job, is to TEACH, listen and guide.
02/22/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
Quote:
Originally posted by Sexy Housewife
We do a combination of things with our daughter.

1st, we set her up not to fail. She's 1.5, there's certain things she's just not going to listen to (like, don't pull my tampons out from under the sink). Instead of leaving ...
Amen, sister!
02/22/2012
TheSinDoll TheSinDoll
I end up yelling (or fussing - my GOD - they're teenagers - who wouldn't!) but we also go "unplugged" and that means no cell, iTouch, T.V., ALL game systems, computer, etc.
02/22/2012
SaMiKaY SaMiKaY
***I just realized I spelled discipline wrong the last time. lol disciple is supposed to be discipline. =)***



I love all the different responses. It's funny to see the different sides. I don't believe in "beating your child" but I do believe in spanking in certain circumstances. I was spanked as a child, and I never thought that it was bigger people allowed to beat smaller people. I believed it was my grandparents punishing me for being bad.

I also disagree that spanking is "lazy parenting". Not all children respond to talking (I was sometimes one of them). My grandparents were anything BUT lazy parents and I am trying to not take offense to that statement.

Cmex84, I pretty much agree with you about ages and techniques. I raised my 2 nephews before I was even a teenager. They got spanked maybe 3-4 times each for various reasons like trying to put tweezers in the outlets, turning on the stove before I was up in the mornings, things like that. They are now 2 of the best behaved kids. They use sir and ma'am, don't argue with authority, etc. Their teachers LOVE me because most of the other kids in their classes are very rude, disrespectful children.

What I see more often then not, is parents afraid to discipline their kids in any way because they don't want their kids to hate them. This turns into kids being in control and not having respect for anything. I think parents spoil their kids too much now-a-days to the point of children not appreciating anything.

Back to my childhood, I never hated my grandparents for how they punished me. I may not have liked it at the time, but I respected them. And I respect them even more now for raising me in a strict household because of what kind of woman I am today. I didn't have a cell phone until I was almost out of high school and even then, it was for emergencies ONLY. There was a point I had bought a brand new Sony Ericsson (sp?) with my own money and within a week, it was smashed by a hammer because I had been disrespectful to my grandparents.

I didn't have a lap top computer until I graduated HS. There was one accessible in the living room but I was only allowed on it when they were home. I appreciated everything my grandparents bought for me and still do. Where as, a good friend of mine, is always complaining because her parents won't buy her the new iphone, car, etc. She was raised in a "no violence" household. BTW she's also been involved with drugs and had a miscarriage because of them. I'm not saying those things happen because of the parenting, just saying it's a possibility.


Ok, I'll stop ranting =) I'm looking forward to reading more responses!

I should also mention my age I suppose. For those that don't know, I am a youngin, 20 years old =)
02/22/2012
Diabolical Kitty Diabolical Kitty
A variety of things honestly.
02/22/2012
AmberM AmberM
I think a bit of everything, but the yelling.
02/22/2012
Owl Identified Owl Identified
I didn't vote because frankly, even though I have worked extensively with kids, it's impossible to say what I'd do if I had my own. We all think we know just how we'd do it, but any parent will tell you that parenthood surprised the shit out of them at every turn.

What I will say is how I personally was disciplined, and how I feel about that. I have a relatively large family and we (the kids) we a decidedly unruly bunch. (I know, imagine! ME! I'm ever so sweet and docile all the time!) Physical discipline was administered by both parents. It wasn't a "smack first, ask questions later" kind of policy. However, if it was determined that you had fucked up in a smack-worthy way? Certainly. And if you really did something bad (kicked out of school, coming home in a cop car, etc) then you definitely were in for it.

Otherwise, let's be real. In a big family, lots of yelling and threats of punishments to come comprise the bulk of disciplinary practice. When something serious was at stake, my mother talked to us at length about it. It wasn't discipline without a context or explanation. We always knew why what we did was wrong, and why we were being disciplined. Overall, with few exceptions, I feel I came from a very loving home. I value the lessons my parents taught, even if I wasn't always happy with how I had to learn them. If I have kids of my own, I hope I can create a less chaotic environment for them. But, I would want to use the same disciplinary practices of my parents, just hopefully less often.
02/22/2012
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Quote:
Originally posted by SaMiKaY
***I just realized I spelled discipline wrong the last time. lol disciple is supposed to be discipline. =)***



I love all the different responses. It's funny to see the different sides. I don't believe in "beating your ...
I agree with this 100% and I was raised in a similar way to you, in terms of the actual discipline practices. I didn't feel shame when my parents hit me. Honestly, if I ever felt shame, it came from knowing I disappointed my parents. That was never the product of any specific act. Sometimes it was just the look on my mother's face when I got home from school with a pink slip. Being hit, for me? Did not make me feel shame, and it also did not prevent me from ultimately making connections between what I did and why it was inappropriate or hurtful or otherwise wrong.

At the time, I didn't always love how I was being disciplined. But, I also didn't like being yelled at. Or being grounded. Or having other privileges taken away. No kid likes being disciplined. But, I don't feel traumatized or scarred by the experience of physical discipline. I truly believe it's a parenting style, and it's one that gets a lot of disrespect these days. I respect that there are a variety of parenting styles, and if you don't hit your kids then good for you. However, as a product of a home where physical discipline was used? It really bothers me that people think my parents were in any way lazy, irresponsible, not loving, not fully committed to their duties, or that they failed me in this regard. My parents did "teach, listen and guide" - just in a different way than P'Gell and some other may choose to.
02/22/2012
zwee75 zwee75
We don't spank or hit. And I try not to raise my voice. So far, they're pretty good. But they're WAY young. They're both bright, so I'm likely in for it when they're in their teens.
02/22/2012
poetprincess poetprincess
Quote:
Originally posted by SaMiKaY
If you don't have kids, how do you think you'd discipline them?

I was raised by my grandparents, if I disrespected them, did something I knew I wasn't supposed to do, or otherwise needed to be disciplined I got spanked. So many ...
Depends on what they did wrong, if its my 6 year old reaching into my purse like she was doing today while we were shopping, after I had asked her to stay out. I smacked her hand. she quit getting into my purse and knew I meant it when I asked her to stop. If its my older girls, its usually taking away the cell phones and grounding them to their rooms after school. they do not have anything in their rooms to entertain themselves with so a couple days being bored in the bedrooms usually gets them to behave..
02/22/2012
Modern^Spank^Anthem Modern^Spank^Anthem
no kids yet, but I give my cats time out in the basement when they bit and misbehave
02/22/2012
acessorie acessorie
We have a non hitting household. We tried it with our first and it just didn't work so we found other ways.
02/22/2012
MissCandyland MissCandyland
I don't have kids. My mom would take toys away from me and put me in the corner and that worked. She didn't have to spank me. But I doubt that this would work for most kids.
02/23/2012
married with children married with children
the 2nd time I have to say something, they get in trouble (toys taken away, time out, ect..), the 3rd time they get a spanking. We do not get to three very often.
02/24/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
Quote:
Originally posted by Ms. Spice
Um, how is it consistent to hit a child only during a certain age range, and then suddenly stop? Sorry, you lost me at that.
Im not sure what you mean?

I prefer the term "spank" vs hitting. Hitting implies that I hauled off and smacked lol. At least, to me it does anyways.

When I 'spanked' my children, it was a swift tap on the butt. Nothing that left marks, but it was enough for them to think "Ok, its time to calm down, Moms had enough" etc etc.

I didn't have a certain thing about "Well when they turn x age, Im going to stop spanking". It was one of those things that just became less effective. After they turned a certain age, they were more into the electronics or they had certain toys that they realized would REALLY suck if they had them taken away. It just kind of phased out and we stopped doing it when we found other methods. Of course, we did this when they were younger as well, but at a younger age, the children tend to have a shorter attention span and (I've found) that they would just say "Oh well" after a few moments and find something else to do. A tap on the butt, and it made them stop in their tracks and say "Ok, That was wrong, I need to stop".

We have tried all sorts of methods though. Ever child is different. We tried time outs, spankin's (depending on the situation), taking items away, taking 'play time" with a friend away, taking trips away (going to the zoo, etc). Again, I think it really depends on the childs age and how they respond to different things.

Some children you can simply get down to their level and talk quietly, and they will stop screaming or crying or doing whatever, so that they can hear you. Which calms the situation. Others will just continue to scream or cry in your face or not even pay you any mind.

Again, I usually only spanked when it was called for. When my child went towards a light socket or ran out my door towards a busy road, you bet your butt I spanked my child. I didn't go busting ass til it was red, but when he did that, he thought it was funny or a game and I wanted to immediately get my point across so that he wouldn't run away or try to "play" that game again.

As a parent that has lost a child, I can honestly say that if my child is doing harm to themselves or doing something that is dangerous or life threatening, you can bet I will be getting my point across-without HARM, but with firm discipline.

I also agree with P'Gell about discipline beginning at birth/infancy. However, you also have to remember that children will test your limits and theirs. Its just what they do. They test their boundaries, even if it means going a little too far sometimes. All kids do it, and any parent that says theirs doesn't either doesn't have kids or they haven't done it YET LOL.
02/24/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
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Originally posted by MamaDivine
Im not sure what you mean?

I prefer the term "spank" vs hitting. Hitting implies that I hauled off and smacked lol. At least, to me it does anyways.

When I 'spanked' my children, it was a swift tap on the butt. ...
Just out of curiosity, Why are some referring to spanking as "hitting/beating or HARMING" a child? Heck, I remember back in the day when folks would use wooden paddles and "a switch" lol. Tell ya what though, you didn't have kids walkin' into schools with guns, blowing folks up and murdering their peers back then! Im of a younger generation, but I can definitely see a difference between the way things are now, versus what I have heard from back then. I agree some things were taken to extremes and were not right, but back then, kids had a respectful fear of their parents and consequences. Now a days, its a slap on the wrist and "Don't do it again sweetie" and the parents are surprised when it happens again? Shocking.
02/24/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
Quote:
Originally posted by MissCandyland
I don't have kids. My mom would take toys away from me and put me in the corner and that worked. She didn't have to spank me. But I doubt that this would work for most kids.
OMG I HATED THE CORNER!!!!!! lol. Oh, and lets not forget that tone of voice bellowing "Nose against the wall!"...Least, that is what I kept hearing lol
02/24/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
Quote:
Originally posted by Owl Identified
I agree with this 100% and I was raised in a similar way to you, in terms of the actual discipline practices. I didn't feel shame when my parents hit me. Honestly, if I ever felt shame, it came from knowing I disappointed my parents. That was ...
Amen! Im with you on this 100% too. I didn't feel any of those feelings either. I knew that I was in trouble, there was no grey areas or misunderstandings.

To be completely honest, my mother and I have a close, loving relationship now, more than ever. We talk about when I was a kid and the things I did. We joke and laugh and I can confide in her with anything. The thing is, I understand (now that I have children) why she did the things she did. I understand her fears or concerns with how I used to act and things I would do and I know that feeling now that I am a parent.

I didn't turn into a loathing, violent person. My mother was a very christian woman. She believed in a firm hand when I was wrong, but a loving manner when I was good. She had a good balance. Even though that balance often included a whoopin' from time to time. Either way, to judge parenting methods is like judging someone on their religion. It may not suit you and your family, but that doesn't make it wrong.
02/24/2012
Owl Identified Owl Identified
Quote:
Originally posted by MamaDivine
Amen! Im with you on this 100% too. I didn't feel any of those feelings either. I knew that I was in trouble, there was no grey areas or misunderstandings.

To be completely honest, my mother and I have a close, loving relationship now, ...
Agreed on the balance, absolutely.

To respond to your earlier comment, I didn't get "spanked". To me as child? That always carried a creepy sexual undertone and the idea made me highly uncomfortable. No one hit my butt! People today are SO against hitting in the face because (and I've actually heard people say this) "the face is your identity! to hit a child's face is to HIT THEIR IDENTITY!!!!" Um. Where else are you going to hit them, if not their butt? The hand if they grab something or touch something they shouldn't. But, hitting on the butt was not something that happened in my house. It was just how discipline functioned in my house. My mother was extremely loving and nurturing, encouraging of my talents and of me forming my own opinions. I credit her primarily for building my sense of self worth and giving me the tools needed to defend my rights to being treated well and given fair opportunities in life. She is an incredible woman and was an incredible mother.
03/14/2012
P'Gell P'Gell
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Originally posted by Owl Identified
I didn't vote because frankly, even though I have worked extensively with kids, it's impossible to say what I'd do if I had my own. We all think we know just how we'd do it, but any parent will tell you that parenthood surprised the ...
Owl, you said I didn't vote because frankly, even though I have worked extensively with kids, it's impossible to say what I'd do if I had my own. We all think we know just how we'd do it, but any parent will tell you that parenthood surprised the shit out of them at every turn.

I cannot agree more strongly. Parenting is a full time profession.

On an other note (and not related to what Owl said) When I use the word "lazy" I mean, "not doing all you could to prevent the behavior and then doing the easiest thing possible (usually hitting) long after the kid fucked up." It's easy to HIT (and let's call it what it is, "spanking" not only sounds like a snack and has a cute ring to it, but it has sexual connotations. At any rate not a single psychological research study has shown that hitting contributes to better behaved children, better outcomes or better parenting. Not even one. The only proven result is that kids figure out ways to NOT GET CAUGHT.

However, I NEVER said parent who hit are all "unloving or irresponsible." Please don't put words in my mouth.

As I said, so many parents manage to properly raise children with NO hitting. And when you actually have kids, you know they all have different personalities. If ONE set of parents can do a good job without hitting ALL can.

As for the word "lazy" parenting is a full time activity. For instance, if hte kids you are babysitting get into trouble "before you get up" why were you sleeping while they were awake? That isn't parenting with all you have. If you take care of kids, you are there and present at all times. I have NEVER been asleep when small children were awake an up and around. EVER. Why? Because they get into things, then it's somehow OK to HIT them because YOU (not you, Owl) were sleeping when you should have been up and caring for the children? YOU then caused the reason you felt required hitting.

Babysitting is far from actually raising children. I did child care and babysitting for years before I had my own kids. It was two completely different things.

Anything one think can be accomplished by hitting a child can be accomplished (albeit with a little more work on the part of the parent) without hitting and with some forethought.

As for, "But, there is a difference between hitting and beating." Where IS that line? NOBODY who believes in hitting kids can tell me. Except to say, "What I do is hitting, what some other people do is beating." NOT an answer. If everyone has a different line that delineates the difference between hitting and beating, then the line is useless. Not long ago, a boy was found, dead, buried under poured concrete in his parent's trailer yard. Their excuse? They were "spanking" him..... and he died. To THEM, what killed a child was nothing more than a spanking. Although most people would disagree that what they did was wrong and NOT a "spanking" WHERE IS THE LINE? Nobody who is pro-hitting seems to be able to tell me.

Plus, and I hate to pull rank, I'm debating with people who don't have their own kids. Nope, baby sitting, even if it's overnight doesn't count. DOING IT full time and all the time counts.

If one parent can do it without hitting ALL can. Plus, you can't know from baby sitting, you won't know until/if you have your own. That's all I have to say.
03/14/2012
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