Is it okay to have sex with a drunk girl?

I think that the world overreacted to Dr. Phil's post.

However, it is NOT okay to have sex with somebody intoxicated unless consent was obtained before the intoxication. Granted, the person shouldn't get so intoxicated that they pass out, but this doesn't excuse the rape.

On our first date many years ago we were both intoxicated and we had fantastic sex!!!!!! Hungover sex the next morning was even better. Come on now........never happened to anyone else????!!!!

@Happy Kupple: As I said, it's different if the sex was consented to before the intoxication. That's fine.

@Tigrica: I fear that the male in that situation still has a risk of the woman crying rape. Plus, in my experience partying, a lot of males when drunk believe that things that aren't invitations are - I had a guy try make out with me at a party because I called him 'dear', and I call everyone dear. He got upset that I was 'leading him on' and then 'rejected him'.

I am very upset that you would post this as if it was a matter of opinion! A person who is intoxicated cannot consent to sexual activity. This is a fact not a matter of discussion. I expect much better from Eden Fantasys! You should be helping to educate people, and working towards ending rape culture, not promoting a world where a person's ability to consent is a matter of debate! It leads to discussion that promote dangerous lies about rape. Such as the myths that "girls" are often "crying rape" after a night of drinking and regretful sex. You should be promoting accurate information about the facts of what it is like to disclose or report rape in this country. Only 46% of survivors report the crime because of many factors including the high rates of retaliation, isolation from peers, and lack of belief that the incident happened. Despite all of this the FBI estimates that less than 8% of reported cases are false reports. We should be having conversations that build up the survivor, and creates a world where it is easier to talk about these topics.

Lively debate happening on FB now...

Dr. Phil's Post:
--Yes I do feel he is validated to bring this up as a discussion topic. The more widely this type of rape/humiliation is discussed, the more aware society as a whole can be about the safety of others and themselves. Also, it may reach the future potential offenders/partiers/vic tims and make them really think about the situations they would be placing themselves into. That could go a hell of a long ways in preventing other situations and tragedies from happening in the future.

My opinion:
--A couple social drinks prior to having a sexual experience with someone is one thing, if the people are not drunk or buzzed, they are still responsible and clear headed enough to consent or deny sex.

If one person is drunk then I feel it is not in any way ethical for the consent to be taken at face value. There will still be the 'closing time hookups' by both parties when intoxicated--but when one person is drunk and the other is not or is only lightly buzzed then it is a non-negotiable situation!

When someone/or others get a person drunk or have them pass out in order to have sex and/or humiliate the intoxicated person--they need to be prosecuted in a court of law and held accountable. The drunk person is not mentally stable or aware enough to give an ethical or responsible positive answer. It is premeditated rape, coercion of a mentally incapacitated human being and is not in any way appropriate morally, ethically or legally!!

I feel this situation should be discussed in schools and at home PRIOR to the children becoming of an age to practice these actions. Make them aware of how horrible, reprehensible and damaging it is to the victim.

Yes, a drunk is held accountable for their actions while drinking--as long as their actions have no third party or even second party involvement. Believe me, I live with an alcoholic and know first hand just how much he is capable of---but also that I can turn the tides of our night with a couple words, suggestions or--if I was criminal--could have him agree to pretty much anything in the world I wanted after a certain amount of alcohol. I admit to using this to get him to go to bed to sleep it off...but that is the end of it!!!

I was raped at a party in high school while I was passed out from drinking and a heat stroke---it will stay with me all my life. My "best friend" at the time was a willing participant in setting me up so she could gain points from the guy she had a crush on. He was the instigator. This is a very personal and hurtful topic for me to think about or discuss, but I did with my daughter prior to her entering high school. She was able to learn from my mistakes and decided on her own to avoid the party scene and not place herself in that type of position. DISCUSSION CAN DO SOME GOOD!!!!

I say it depends on what you define as a person being "drunk". One drinks? Two drinks? I have sex with my partner if I've drank a little, but I'm not "drunk", maybe just woozy. It's hard to clarify when you're drunk.

Passed out drunk no, talking and moving drunk yes