Vegan, non vegan and animal cruelty

.kaycat .kaycat
Do you use products that test in animals? Or do you eat meat?
A lot of people question my love for animals because I'm not vegetarian. And in the bible doesn't it say that animals are for man to eat?
Also I use Pantene shampoos and conditioners that are on the list of products/ companies that use animal testing. I love Pantene /: it makes me sad to think of what animals go through for the simple things in life we don't think about. This doesn't change my love for animals because I won't change. I donate, volunteer, petition,rescue, everything and go the extra mile for any creature big, small, sick or healthy. The cruelty towards animals weren't in my hands, and I do as much as one person on this earth could possibly of not more. Is this you?
Answers (public voting - your screen name will appear in the results):
This is me
eri86 , U3H , HarlequinBunnie , bayosgirl , bratcat , Lildrummrgurl7
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I don't care for animals
ginnyluvspotter , oneeyedoctopus
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Not me, Vegan, PETA all the way
Other (explain)
Aishiteru , VeganChick (is Gone) , married with children , KinkyKatieJames , Kitka , Deeder , "G" , quackbuster , spiced , GONE! , KrissyNovacaine , bratcat , ViVix , TJax , SourAppleMartini , treehugger , Living Doll
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Total votes: 25 (24 voters)
Poll is closed
05/10/2013
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05/10/2013
ginnyluvspotter ginnyluvspotter
I'm not a pet person at all and I think that some things are better off tested on animals than on humans animals can be replaced not a human life.
05/10/2013
Aishiteru Aishiteru
I love animals and I was a vegetarian for years, but I don't try to get products advertized as vegan and not tested on animals. Many animals eat other animals; it's survival of the fittest in the wild. However, I do think people should respect animals and try to preserve nature.
05/10/2013
eri86 eri86
I love animals and I eat meat. But I'm not overly concerned about vegan products.
05/11/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
People may question you when you say you love animals but still eat meat because it is rather contradictory. How can you love animals, yet contribute to their abuse and slaughter? Billions of animals are kept is rather horrible conditions and killed in rather horrible ways because people want to eat them, this is supply and demand. So if you say you love animals but are a direct reason for them being kept and killed like they are, it doesn't make sense. What would be more appropriate is to say you love pets.

As for the Bible... well, that is a whole different story. I'm sure we could go back and forth, and around in circles. Personally, I don't really care what the Bible says about eating animals because I don't live my life according to the Bible.

If you are sad that the cosmetics you are using are tested on animals, I encourage you to switch to something else. There are many wonderful products out there that are not tested on animals and contain natural ingredients that are good for your body. I personally do not use any cosmetics or household products that are tested on animals, as I do not believe that animals testing is right, and I don't want to support it.

In a way, the cruelty IS in your hands. Again, this relates to supply and demand. Many companies have stopped testing on animals because of boycotts, and many animals are not raised and killed because people create less demand by not wanting to eat them.

I encourage you to search inside yourself. You obviously are having uncomfortable feelings about animal testing, so that is a clue that you may want to transition to cruelty-free products. To truly do "as much as you can", you need to stop eating animals. Then you could say this sentence proudly. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Note: I tried my hardest to make this post's wording respectful and to not be confrontational.
05/11/2013
married with children married with children
I love animals, they are delicious.
05/11/2013
KinkyKatieJames KinkyKatieJames
I am an animal lover and do whatever I can to help, including watching out for animal testing on products when possible. However, I have medical issues and my doctors do not wanting me trying a vegetarian diet under any circumstances. So, I will continue to eat meat.
05/11/2013
Kitka Kitka
I don't think it's right to abuse animals or treat them harshly just because someone wants to eat them but that doesn't stop me from eating the usual animals: chicken, fish, beef, pork, various seafood. I also don't agree with animal testing and try my best not to support it by buying things that are tested on the poor critters.

I actually found this super moisturizing soap made from goat's milk that we absolutely fell in love with after only a few uses. If anyone wants the information on it just message me
05/11/2013
HarlequinBunnie HarlequinBunnie
Quote:
Originally posted by .kaycat
Do you use products that test in animals? Or do you eat meat?
A lot of people question my love for animals because I'm not vegetarian. And in the bible doesn't it say that animals are for man to eat?
Also I use Pantene shampoos and ... More
I too love animals and hate when people abuse them. However I eat meat and I more then likely use products that are animal tested. If you are on any type of medication you too are using a product that has been tested on animals. Sorry to say but there is no escape from this fact.
05/11/2013
talon4196 talon4196
Animals are to eat. I try to eat local.
05/11/2013
"G" "G"
i love my pets but i eat meat, have leather seats and hunt on my days off
05/11/2013
quackbuster quackbuster
I am a vegetarian (not vegan), but try to buy cage-free eggs & purchase cosmetics not tested on animals. I picked "other" because with some things, you have to buy things that are tested on animals because there are no other options (e.g.: medication), but I do try to avoid buying products like makeup or shampoo that are tested on animals if there are non-animal-tested options available.
05/11/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
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Originally posted by quackbuster
I am a vegetarian (not vegan), but try to buy cage-free eggs & purchase cosmetics not tested on animals. I picked "other" because with some things, you have to buy things that are tested on animals because there are no other options ... More
Just FYI, the cage-free thing is pretty much a misnomer.

Check out here, for example.
05/12/2013
bayosgirl bayosgirl
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Originally posted by ginnyluvspotter
I'm not a pet person at all and I think that some things are better off tested on animals than on humans animals can be replaced not a human life.
Animals suffer horribly in laboratory conditions. Most of the ingredients they test on them have been tested already, so it's needless suffering. They have computer models to use (which is how some companies are able to not test on live animals.) Whether you love animals or not, it's just the right thing to do to eliminate their suffering when possible.
05/12/2013
spiced spiced
I don't use products tested on animals, at least as far as I know (and I do my best to know about any products I use).

I'm not vegan, but I have given up beef and pork, and only eat turkey when I'm with family for a holiday. I still eat fish, but I hope to give it up in the not-too-distant future. I also still use leather products. I've been rationalizing that there are so many cows killed for the meat-eating public that my leather use isn't driving the killing of cows — but I recognize that's as much of a cop-out as saying you had nothing to do with the testing that went into your shampoo.

As for the "I'm just one person" argument: how many people was Gandhi? MLK? Every one of us is "just one person", and we all have power. If we work together, our power is almost unstoppable.
05/12/2013
.kaycat .kaycat
Quote:
Originally posted by VeganChick (is Gone)
People may question you when you say you love animals but still eat meat because it is rather contradictory. How can you love animals, yet contribute to their abuse and slaughter? Billions of animals are kept is rather horrible conditions and killed ... More
Love your feed back! Thank you
05/12/2013
.kaycat .kaycat
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Originally posted by KinkyKatieJames
I am an animal lover and do whatever I can to help, including watching out for animal testing on products when possible. However, I have medical issues and my doctors do not wanting me trying a vegetarian diet under any circumstances. So, I will ... More
This is me exactly !
05/12/2013
KrissyNovacaine KrissyNovacaine
I adore animals. I grew up working with animal rescue and I still rescue. that doesn't change my carniverous taste buds. I do try to avoid unnecessary harm to animals due to my consumerism. If i learn about a product I have used, I try to find a replacement that isn't cruel to animals.
05/12/2013
bratcat bratcat
Quote:
Originally posted by VeganChick (is Gone)
People may question you when you say you love animals but still eat meat because it is rather contradictory. How can you love animals, yet contribute to their abuse and slaughter? Billions of animals are kept is rather horrible conditions and killed ... More
While i do agree with you on a lot of this, cutting out meat from one's diet isnt always something one can do because of fiancees, food allergies, religion, etc.
My partner is vegan, and i tend to eat vegan or vegetarian very often, but because of my current finical situation and living at home, i am unable to become vegan until i can finically support myself.
I do wish people we're more aware about commercialized farming habits, even when it comes to "cage free" eggs, and encourage everyone to try and buy locally since those animals are often well loved, have much beter living conditions as well as better diet meaning a better quality product.

However, there are brands i will not buy from because of their cruelty toward animals (which started with a ban of Horizon/Silk Milk products in my house/partners house) and make sure any and all cosmetics and house hold items bought are not tested on animals. The only time i get a product that is tested on an animal is when its something gifted to me, and i'm far to poor to turn down free bodywash or conditioner.

I still do what i can in my community for my animal friends like go to and help at rescues and help turtles cross the street, but it's a really good thing to research the products you ingest and use because you are probably contributing to the abuse of animals without even realizing.
05/12/2013
ViVix ViVix
Quote:
Originally posted by .kaycat
Do you use products that test in animals? Or do you eat meat?
A lot of people question my love for animals because I'm not vegetarian. And in the bible doesn't it say that animals are for man to eat?
Also I use Pantene shampoos and ... More
I don't use products that are tested on animals, but I do eat meat. I suppose I don't mind killing them (for food), but I feel a little different about torturing them (with testing). Also, the way that animals are killed needs to be as painless and quick as possible.
05/12/2013
TJax TJax
The amount of animal testing we do is nothing compared to how we raise and selectively breed livestock for consumption. People will tell you that their meat is cruelty free, but did they go find a free wild animal and shoot it? No, they raise them in pens still, they just give them slightly better food and clean their pens. A clean prison is still a prison. This is why I hunt. I can find animals that have never been touched by a human hand and take it down quickly and rather painlessly.
05/12/2013
oneeyedoctopus oneeyedoctopus
I don't empathize very strongly with non-humans. I do disapprove of when animals are hurt and killed for entertainment or from neglect. It's cruel and wasteful. But I'm fine with eating them or testing drugs on them.
05/12/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
Quote:
Originally posted by bratcat
While i do agree with you on a lot of this, cutting out meat from one's diet isnt always something one can do because of fiancees, food allergies, religion, etc.
My partner is vegan, and i tend to eat vegan or vegetarian very often, but ... More
I respectfully disagree with your first statement. I speak from experience when I say you can most certainly eat a healthy vegan diet on a low budget. My fiancé and I make dirt, and we do just fine when it comes to food. I don't know what kind of food allergies would prevent someone from eating vegan; just don't eat the foods you are allergic too. There are tons of alternatives and plenty of plants out there to choose from! Religion is a choice, as is eating meat. The only thing stopping someone (an adult, at least), from going vegan is them.

I really don't think locally vs factory farmed is an answer to the problem. Not everyone can buy locally because there is not enough local meat to feed everyone. Factory farms exist for a reason. In my opinion, we need to get to the root of the problem, which is using animals for our wants in the first place.

I'm glad that you refrain from cosmetics tested on animals, and encourage you to let your loved ones know of your preferences so that they can gift you appropriate items.
05/12/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
Quote:
Originally posted by .kaycat
Love your feed back! Thank you
No problem! Glad to give it.
05/12/2013
tami tami
Quote:
Originally posted by .kaycat
Do you use products that test in animals? Or do you eat meat?
A lot of people question my love for animals because I'm not vegetarian. And in the bible doesn't it say that animals are for man to eat?
Also I use Pantene shampoos and ... More
I eat meat and I love animals I o use some products that test on animals but I still love animals. I do donate to animal shelters and try to help them if I can.
05/12/2013
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