Reviewers Spotlight – March 3rd @ 6 pm: Tori Rebel & Champagne and Benzedrine

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Reviewers Spotlight – March 3rd @ 6 pm: Tori Rebel & Champagne and Benzedrine

Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Jul!a
What's the biggest hangup either of you run into when writing a review?
That would probably have to be trying to make it original and unique. When writing so many reviews, it's hard to make them not all sound exactly alike, be truly informative, while still personable and entertaining. I tend to come off reading like a technical manual, which I CANNOT STAND about myself, but it comes naturally. I think this is why descriptive reviews are easier for me because I don't push as hard for the edgy/personal/creative angle.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by CassandraL
Forgive my n00bness since this is my first discussion on here and I don't know the format yet, but I have a question for the reviewers.

What do you do if you absolutely do not like a product? Do you give it another try? Do you give up on ...
That's a really good question!

Writing reviews trashing a product is REALLY fun both to write and to read - I know, I did it a lot before I came to EF! That attitude changed when I joined EF because I saw somebody trash the OhMiBod and I'd just finished an interview (for another magazine) with the maker of the OhMiBod, Suki. I knew how much time she'd put into it and felt that the person who'd written the bad review hadn't given the product the consideration it deserved and just wrote a shitty review because they were lazy and enjoyed slagging things off (don't we all.)

Since then, I've tried to find a fair angle for all my reviews - which isn't always easy. The Shakers Vol.3 I mentioned above was a tough one, because it was clearly a cheaply made product that didn't do the job it was designed for adequately - but I thought about it for a while and realized that I was holding it up against, say, a Fleshlight and it was a 'one shot' product that was never designed to perform like a product five times its price.

I think reviewers have to be careful not to compare EVERYTHING against the cream of the crop - I break favorite products into price brackets and then compare them against those ones.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Jul!a
He does like it. We found that she kinda eats lube, but he did find that conditioner works really well for shower lovin' with her.
Conditioner? I'll have to try that! If nothing else, it will make my pubic hair sleek and glossy.
03/03/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Conditioner? I'll have to try that! If nothing else, it will make my pubic hair sleek and glossy.
I was surprised too, but if it gets rid of the extra conditioner that always seems to be left when it's shampoo bottle mate runs out, then I'm all for it, lol.
03/03/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
Have either of you ever gotten some really great advice from another reviewer?
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Victoria
You think we've brought Eden light years from what it was 3 years ago? hmmm, do elaborate

And THANK YOU, sweetie!
SO many reasons. Like the event where we met face to face, at the Sex Museum in Manhattan. The 'old' Eden, I can't imagine, would ever be involved in something like that. I think you've given the management scope and vision and definitely gone beyond 'just' being an online retailer.
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
Quote:
Originally posted by CassandraL
Forgive my n00bness since this is my first discussion on here and I don't know the format yet, but I have a question for the reviewers.

What do you do if you absolutely do not like a product? Do you give it another try? Do you give up on ...
I give it at least a few tries if I don't like it, simply because some toys (for example, the Jopen V1 or the FF Yooo) do have a learning curve. If I don't like it at all after that, I try to discern what didn't work for me and then explain it rationally. In turn, I use the reasons it didn't work for me as reasons why it may work for someone else. If something is too big for me, I first give a factual stance of why it failed me personally, and then recommend it for those seeking a more fulfilling toy. If something is too weak for me to climax, I recommend it for foreplay. I try to find some sort of demographic that will like every toy. There have still been a few that I can't find any real saving graces for, but they're few and far between.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Jul!a
Have either of you ever gotten some really great advice from another reviewer?
Especially in the beginning, I would get 'called' in the comments section on a lot of things (like my silicon/silicone confusion) and you have the choice of being offended by it, or accepting the criticism of a more knowledgeable reviewer and becoming better as a result. Sometimes I was wise enough to take the second option!
03/03/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Especially in the beginning, I would get 'called' in the comments section on a lot of things (like my silicon/silicone confusion) and you have the choice of being offended by it, or accepting the criticism of a more knowledgeable reviewer and ...
I do think I remember reading that debate on one of your reviews. I give you props for how you handled it.

I've unfortunately seen a few reviews (not in a very long time thought) where the comments are just a free for all with people attacking each other. It's always nice to see when a reviewer doesn't jump right on the offensive back and tries to take criticism constructively.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Jul!a
Have either of you ever gotten some really great advice from another reviewer?
The most thought-provoking advice I got was from Alison Tyler, editor for many of the Cleis books that are in the Naked Readers Club.

I wrote my self-righteous rant about the reviewer who'd trashed the OhMiBod and said that overly negative reviews were trashily written. She dug up a review I'd written of one of her compilations that was MOSTLY positive, but made two very mean, utterly dismissive comments about two stories (I called one nothing more than an 'erotic contrivance.') It TOTALLY showed me up as a hypocrite and that just doubled my determination to be a 'fair' reviewer.
03/03/2011
Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
SO many reasons. Like the event where we met face to face, at the Sex Museum in Manhattan. The 'old' Eden, I can't imagine, would ever be involved in something like that. I think you've given the management scope and vision and ...
We take that as a major compliment, mister
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Jul!a
Have either of you ever gotten some really great advice from another reviewer?
I can't think of specific advice I've been given by another reviewer but I do know I've gained an incredible amount of knowledge and constructive criticism from the comments on my reviews from the community as a whole. In the beginning when I got more questions, I used them to help me write more thorough, well-rounded reviews. On several occasions, I've had people compare the toy I'm reviewing against another toy in the comments, and I keep those things in mind when I sit down to write again. The way the community works with each other is really the greatest help I've had here.
03/03/2011
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Especially in the beginning, I would get 'called' in the comments section on a lot of things (like my silicon/silicone confusion) and you have the choice of being offended by it, or accepting the criticism of a more knowledgeable reviewer and ...
I agree, if not for some good meaning people, I would have struggled greatly. One of the reasons I love EF.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Jul!a
I do think I remember reading that debate on one of your reviews. I give you props for how you handled it.

I've unfortunately seen a few reviews (not in a very long time thought) where the comments are just a free for all with people ...
Well, I haven't ALWAYS been like that.

In real life I'm a complete pussycat, but online I have a tendency to be very argumentative just for the sake of it. Fortunately, at least after a cooling off period, I can generally admit when I'm wrong. Which is a lot.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Victoria
We take that as a major compliment, mister
Mean EVERY word.
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
SO many reasons. Like the event where we met face to face, at the Sex Museum in Manhattan. The 'old' Eden, I can't imagine, would ever be involved in something like that. I think you've given the management scope and vision and ...
I'm still so envious I wasn't part of EF at the time - I visit the Museum of Sex frequently (going this Sunday for the Comics Stripped exhibit!) and I would have loved to have been able to attend!
03/03/2011
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
SO many reasons. Like the event where we met face to face, at the Sex Museum in Manhattan. The 'old' Eden, I can't imagine, would ever be involved in something like that. I think you've given the management scope and vision and ...
Oh man, I wish I didn't have all the problems with the sound system (that they rewired 2 days before the event), so I could have hung out more that night. I was about ready to turn into the Incredible Hulk when we started talking.
03/03/2011
Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Well, I haven't ALWAYS been like that.

In real life I'm a complete pussycat, but online I have a tendency to be very argumentative just for the sake of it. Fortunately, at least after a cooling off period, I can generally admit when ...
You certainly do have some online claws!

Maybe you could talk a bit about what you do when you just plain disagree with someone on the forums? (not that that has everrrr happened or anything )
03/03/2011
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Tori Rebel
I'm still so envious I wasn't part of EF at the time - I visit the Museum of Sex frequently (going this Sunday for the Comics Stripped exhibit!) and I would have loved to have been able to attend!
Did you get to see that exhibit of all the paintings on one of the upper floors? They were getting that one ready when we were there.
03/03/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
Victoria posed a good question, how do either of you handle confrontations on the forums?
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Gary
Did you get to see that exhibit of all the paintings on one of the upper floors? They were getting that one ready when we were there.
Hm, I don't think so! I'm not sure how I missed it, but there were a few gaps where I didn't make it in to MoSex (or the Met for that matter, wasting a year of membership) for a while. I do really like the one that's been there a while now called "Action: Sex and the Moving Image". I saw it in October and am really excited to go see it again. If you and Victoria end up in the city, you HAVE to go!
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by Jul!a
Victoria posed a good question, how do either of you handle confrontations on the forums?
Honestly, I try and avoid it if at all possible. If someone states an opinion that I completely disagree with, I'll explain my perspective, but I don't try to get them to change their minds because I wouldn't want that done to me. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and as long as it's stated with respect, I tend to just click to the next page. Should other community members start disagreeing with one another, I steer clear - one more person sticking their head in (that's not admin) usually just adds fuel to the fire and who needs that?

If someone is stating something that's outright incorrect as gospel, then I will try and clear things up as respectfully as possible, but that's just the stickler in me again.
03/03/2011
Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme) Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
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Originally posted by Victoria
You certainly do have some online claws!

Maybe you could talk a bit about what you do when you just plain disagree with someone on the forums? (not that that has everrrr happened or anything )
Ahem. One of the reasons I don't hang out on the forums much is because I once got into a MAJOR catfight with another reviewer over the subject of circumcision (which I feel very strongly about.) I got pulled aside and politely warned to act like a grown up, but the temptation to leap into the fray is VERY strong.

I know there's been a bit of controversy over a couple of forum members who've gone the way of the Dodo, but they got the same warning I did and just chose to ignore it. This is an online community and like any community, you've got to have a certain amount of decorum to be part of it. It's REALLY frustrating when people don't see your point of view, but ultimately not everybody's going to agree with you.

Even though I'm right! ;-)
03/03/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
That's a really good question!

Writing reviews trashing a product is REALLY fun both to write and to read - I know, I did it a lot before I came to EF! That attitude changed when I joined EF because I saw somebody trash the OhMiBod and ...
That's a good point and something I struggle with from time to time. Especially when I am coming off the newness of an awesome product. But I try to be objective about why it didn't work for me and try to give an idea as to who it might work for.

What has been your most memorable experience being a part of EF?
03/03/2011
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by Tori Rebel
I can't think of specific advice I've been given by another reviewer but I do know I've gained an incredible amount of knowledge and constructive criticism from the comments on my reviews from the community as a whole. In the beginning ...
DO you find yourself writing reviews to yourself, or is it easy for you maintain the perspective of the review being useful to someone who might buy the product?
03/03/2011
ToyTimeTim ToyTimeTim
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Ahem. One of the reasons I don't hang out on the forums much is because I once got into a MAJOR catfight with another reviewer over the subject of circumcision (which I feel very strongly about.) I got pulled aside and politely warned to act like ...
LOL "Even though I'm right! ;-)"
03/03/2011
Jul!a Jul!a
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
That's a good point and something I struggle with from time to time. Especially when I am coming off the newness of an awesome product. But I try to be objective about why it didn't work for me and try to give an idea as to who it might ...
That's a great question, seconded!
03/03/2011
BBW Talks Toys BBW Talks Toys
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Especially in the beginning, I would get 'called' in the comments section on a lot of things (like my silicon/silicone confusion) and you have the choice of being offended by it, or accepting the criticism of a more knowledgeable reviewer and ...
That's key, especially for us "writers" who take our writing so personally. Thanks!
03/03/2011
Tori Rebel Tori Rebel
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Originally posted by BBW Talks Toys
That's a good point and something I struggle with from time to time. Especially when I am coming off the newness of an awesome product. But I try to be objective about why it didn't work for me and try to give an idea as to who it might ...
I have to say that as far as memorable experiences go, being asked to be part of this tonight is pretty high up there! I'm still confused as to why anyone is interested in what I might have to say.
03/03/2011
Victoria Victoria
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Originally posted by Champagne and Benzedrine (Roland Hulme)
Ahem. One of the reasons I don't hang out on the forums much is because I once got into a MAJOR catfight with another reviewer over the subject of circumcision (which I feel very strongly about.) I got pulled aside and politely warned to act like ...
I do have to give you kudos for handling the 'pulling aside' well, and for not throwing your hands in the air over every disagreement.
03/03/2011
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