#AskEden - So what's the word?

No-nita No-nita
Now that the old thread has been closed, we have not received any sort of updates on what's going on from either Fred or Stormy, as far as I've seen.

Please let me know if I missed some posts somewhere - if not, here's me asking for a status update.
06/21/2013
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Gdom Gdom
Fred has posted a couple of times in the "Ways to fix Eden" discussion semi-recently, so that's one place to look. Nothing 100% definitive has been officially declared in that thread, but it might be worth a look (and it seems like the discussion might continue there, at least for a while--I imagine there'll probably be another official Eden post sometime in the next week laying out whether there will be any further adjustments to points and such). Hope that helps.
06/21/2013
No-nita No-nita
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Originally posted by Gdom
Fred has posted a couple of times in the "Ways to fix Eden" discussion semi-recently, so that's one place to look. Nothing 100% definitive has been officially declared in that thread, but it might be worth a look (and it seems like the ... More
Thanks a bunch! I was thinking that if Fred posted, he would start his own thread, so I didn't expect to see him popping up elsewhere.
06/21/2013
PeaceToTheMiddleEast PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Don't forget it is the weekend now too. The office is closed we may not see anything new until Monday.
06/21/2013
SaucyxGirl SaucyxGirl
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Originally posted by PeaceToTheMiddleEast
Don't forget it is the weekend now too. The office is closed we may not see anything new until Monday.
which also gives everyone the weekend to calm down and perhaps use their brains to come up with a few suggestions to submit over there I hope.
06/22/2013
No-nita No-nita
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Originally posted by SaucyxGirl
which also gives everyone the weekend to calm down and perhaps use their brains to come up with a few suggestions to submit over there I hope.
I "used my brain" quite enough when I was coming up with content for this company to use. I am a customer and contributor, not a business consultant, and I'm not going to be sitting here contemplating what EF might be able to do in the future, because I'm interested in what's happening presently, and that is not something I have any hand in changing. I want to hear about concrete decisions made by the management regarding the whole points shit-storm that just took place. Since the initial letter, Fred and Stormy both have wavered on those original statements because of the community's upset, so now no one really knows what's going on at all. I am far from the only one who just wants to hear definitive yes/no answers. The community has launched a lot of suggestions at the both of them, and last time we heard from Fred, it was a lot of "I might consider maybe yadda yadda" - but none of that is very helpful, tbh. I just want to see someone make up their minds already.
06/22/2013
Screaming Violet Screaming Violet
Guys they aren't going to come up with anything. They Do not want you to spend your points, they can't afford you to spend them.

They are going out of business, that's why the majority of the staff were let go in May, it is also why this points thing has happened. If your company is loosing money and you can barely keep it running why would they keep giving away free stuff. They somehow had to try to plug the many holes in their dyke

The points system has basically been cancelled.
If you can use points to pay for 15% of your order is that not the same as getting a 15% discount by simply using your contributor code to make the purchase?

A lot of people had read the writing on the wall between May and now (and in all fairness not everyone knew where said wall was) and made the smart move of cashing out any remaining points and gift cards. I'm sure that they saw a pattern emerging - people who hadn't been on Eden for a while suddenly logging in and cashing out, which I'm sure is why they had to spring this on you out of the blue. So that you couldn't cash your points in.
Whatever products they have left in stock they need to sell, they cannot afford to give them away.

It's total bs and unfair to those they tricked into 'working for them' in one way or another in return for payment of points, but the sad fact is no matter what anyone says or does they aren't going to do anything more than let you use them like a 15% discount
06/22/2013
lovekink lovekink
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Originally posted by No-nita
I "used my brain" quite enough when I was coming up with content for this company to use. I am a customer and contributor, not a business consultant, and I'm not going to be sitting here contemplating what EF might be able to do in the ... More
I am so glad that someone has finally said that. I have made purchases with my own cash making me a customer. I have used the forums and written reviews and then made purchases with my EARNED points. It is in no way my responsibility or the rest of the community's for that matter to have to build or put together a business plan especially for someone that does not stick to his word. He's shown his true colors. When people became upset he blamed us.
"A well written, informative review is a rarity. Most of the publications are poor and some even leave a feel of a review written without actual product testing, or even blatant plagiarism.
I would agree with Alan & Michele who suggested going back to basics when we were sending a toy to selected contributors. There were no points back then too. I think, some modifications of the description review program would do this. I am also considering letting in reviews only for the products that the contributor actually purchased or received from the company."~Fred

Last time I checked Fred approved the changes that happened back in 2009. I sure as hell know that I wasn't involved in that. So if you can honestly come back to us with a blatant smack in the face to your customers and community then I think you deserve all the backlash you are receiving. Considering EF's past history and now all of this I can honestly say that even if I wanted to stay, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I would never ever spend another dime here especially when I can go else where I wouldn't be treated so badly. I'm not sure if Fred ever went to business school or not but now might either be the time to look into that or maybe take a refresher.
06/22/2013
lovekink lovekink
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Originally posted by Screaming Violet
Guys they aren't going to come up with anything. They Do not want you to spend your points, they can't afford you to spend them.

They are going out of business, that's why the majority of the staff were let go in May, it is also ... More
After hearing that recording it is just a matter of time before they go belly up.

1.) No cash on hand

2.) Multiple lines of credit maxed out

3.) Multiple months showing a loss, including one month with a loss of at least $150k

= No banks will step within a 100 feet of them.

It's sad since the community used to be a great place. I'm guessing the only hope at this point will be bankruptcy. Although seeing how the community was screwed out of the points that they earned I wouldn't mind it if he got a taste of his own medicine. Karma it's a bitch and you maybe able to run and hide but you can never fully stay clear of it's grasp.
06/22/2013
edeneve edeneve
I remember a recent post from an EF representative, maybe even Fred, don't remember who - stating that EF was branching out into other avenues. I read it as EF was adding those ventures to EF as it exists. in retrospect, I'm thinking that it actually referred to a target market w/ product specifically for that market, leading to the end of EF as we've known it. I'd like a valid response to this post made so, the community will know if this is really is EF's business direction/focus.
06/22/2013
Woman China Woman China
It really does seem that the community is only important when it is convenient. There are many issues that need to be addressed but the powers seem to be ignoring these issues. Chiefly the banning and gagging of members who speak out yet nothing done to others who spewed more hatred and nastiness than I have ever seen on a public forum.

But as I said it seems of if these issues are just being ignored even though many members have mentioned that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

And I am very curious as to why threads and posts are being deleted willy nilly.
06/22/2013
deadhorse deadhorse
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Originally posted by edeneve
I remember a recent post from an EF representative, maybe even Fred, don't remember who - stating that EF was branching out into other avenues. I read it as EF was adding those ventures to EF as it exists. in retrospect, I'm thinking that ... More
You're so adorable and a clueless *pats on head*
06/23/2013
js250 js250
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Originally posted by deadhorse
You're so adorable and a clueless *pats on head*
Hehehehe....But I do agree! And funny, too!
06/23/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
Just came in to see if there had been any updates and saw that they deleted the entire thread announcing the point changes. Wow. They don't want anyone new to know what happened. Can't say I'm surprised.
06/25/2013
VeganChick (is Gone) VeganChick (is Gone)
And practically zero activity in the forums... this place is dying.
06/25/2013
Velocifero Velocifero
I am really uncomfortable with the recent issues, both in how they've been spoken of, as well as the subsequent actions (or lack, thereof). I have really enjoyed my time contributing to EF and put a lot of time and effort into my writing even if I didn't post much in the community. Unfortunately, I'll be suspending all my activity with the website, myself, and I suspect a lot of the lurking contributors like myself have or will do the same. I just don't feel right pouring myself into a website with such murky leadership, and that makes me really sad.
07/01/2013
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