#EdenUpdate - Best Practices: Basic Community Standards

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#EdenUpdate - Best Practices: Basic Community Standards

Positwist Positwist
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Originally posted by Kindred
I know you guys are working hard to come up with solutions. I'm just trying to point out where I see problems in the hopes that it may spark an idea in someone. The only solution I have is to remove points, but my understanding is that is not ...
Kindred, I've really appreciated all you've had to say about this, so thank you.

I do think there are a number of us who share your concern. I know I do. But I've abandoned ship because these discussions seem to encourage members to act as police officers (I've seen waaaay too many flags and huffy responses on acceptable posts since we started discussing farming). To be clear, I don't think you're doing this and I don't think you're encouraging it; this is just the direction these conversations seem to go.

I decided that I'd rather wade through spammy posts than risk supporting a witch hunt. Spammy posts are annoying, but tackling well-intentioned posters is hostile and unacceptable.
04/08/2012
Illusional Illusional
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Originally posted by wrmbreze
This will help a lot, I think.
So do I!
04/08/2012
TheSinDoll TheSinDoll
For what it's worth, I support Kindred 100% with everything he has said.
I know these guys at EF have been working their asses off.
None of this is easy.

I hope it cleans up.
Good luck y'all.
04/09/2012
asphyxia asphyxia
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Originally posted by Positwist
Kindred, I've really appreciated all you've had to say about this, so thank you.

I do think there are a number of us who share your concern. I know I do. But I've abandoned ship because these discussions seem to encourage members ...
VERY well said! I think you could have a promising career in diplomacy!
04/22/2012
bh253 bh253
Very helpful!
04/22/2012
Em2Theilee Em2Theilee
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Originally posted by lilly555
I don't know if anyone mentioned this in the new EoC thread but would it be possible to make sure everyone reads the EoC? I mean there's a chance people won't look for it even if its right in front of them or check the threads referencing ...
I think that is a fantastic idea, as I have been on EF for a month or so, and am just reading it now.
05/21/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
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Originally posted by Gary
I think overall, most people like the points. Our hope with the points was to make all the activities you were already engaging in a little more fun, but also to show our appreciation for your support. It is a shame, but you know the saying about ...
Gary, I was actually guilty of this too when I first came here LMAO (The whole "starting a discussion thread on the product page". I was asking questions that were already being asked, mostly because I had no idea about the forums or where they were, so I hadn't read through them, and just posted something that was a very common question. I think that (maybe) we could do away with that "Start a discussion" thing on the product page and maybe put a link up at the bottom saying something like "Have a question? Read our forums to find your answers!" Or maybe a FAQ link directing them to the forums that might relate to questions about that particular product? Maybe have it be an auto search link for that product? Just a thought. This way, folks are being directed to information on that product, being able to see the forums AND get their information that they are requesting. At that point, you can have a link that says "Can't find your answers here? Post in the forums" and have a discussion tab there? This way they have gone through the entire forums search for that product, find their answer-or if not, then they can post. I think this would cut down on a LOT of the "common questions" that everyone has about a particular product. Yay, Nay?


Sorry if this has already been suggested, Im still reading through all the responses LMAO. Theres a tonnnnn lol.
05/25/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
Quote:
Originally posted by Positwist
Kindred, I've really appreciated all you've had to say about this, so thank you.

I do think there are a number of us who share your concern. I know I do. But I've abandoned ship because these discussions seem to encourage members ...
I agree with you about the whole witch hunt thing. I think that some folks are just either new or are not reading the "important posts" about how things should be conducted or maybe the posts that are addressing these issues. They might just not realize what they are doing. As I have admitted before, I've done the same thing when I was new. I didn't have a clue about what this community was really all about. The more that I read, the more that I realize its really a community and all about helping others and being productive. Didn't mean that I was point farming or that I was just worthless to the community, I just really had "no idea".

I think that maybe when something is seen that seems spammy...maybe we should have the more experienced members of the community (or the Moderator) send a private message to them and say "Hey, How are ya? I just wanted to say that I noticed X going on and I would like to invite you to read some of our community forum threads. We have a great bunch of folks here that would love to help you with any questions or concerns that you might have. If you need any help navigating the site et etc" ya know, be helpful to them and let them know what its all about. This might also make them realize that we're all here for each other and that we're more than just names on a screen or IDs/members of the same site. It will also make them feel more invited into the conversations and get them to participate more productively? I know that if someone would have been this way with me, I wouldn't have done so much of the spammy type stuff and would have come to realize what its all about here, sooner.

Just sayin'
05/25/2012
Gary Gary
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Originally posted by MamaDivine
I agree with you about the whole witch hunt thing. I think that some folks are just either new or are not reading the "important posts" about how things should be conducted or maybe the posts that are addressing these issues. They might ...
We have been sending out a series of message for the last month or two (since the updated EoC). We send out an initial friendly message welcoming the new contributors, and asking them to checking out the EoC and Best Practices threads. We figured this way we could just steer newer community members in the right direction.
05/26/2012
Sex Positivity Sex Positivity
This should be super helpful. I'm excited.
05/28/2012
MamaDivine MamaDivine
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Originally posted by Gary
We have been sending out a series of message for the last month or two (since the updated EoC). We send out an initial friendly message welcoming the new contributors, and asking them to checking out the EoC and Best Practices threads. We figured ...
To be honest though, I don't think that many folks read those "Welcome" letters. Some might, but most sites send out those "heres how things work, heres our FAQ etc etc" letters and most folks will just junk the letter. Least, there has been quite a few times that I have. If I am joining something, I want to browse it on my own terms, then ask questions or try to find a link via the help center. So those letters are mostly useless to me.

However, I think that if there is one on one communication, someone that is actually active on the site-"face to face" interaction, if you will-they may be more responsive to this.

The "welcome" letters, no matter how "friendly" they are, are all sent out by an automated message-computer. Not very "personable" ya know? Not that I don't think its not a great idea or helpful to many, but I think that some folks looking for a "place to belong" or maybe someone that is looking for actual help and what not, might have better experiences with the one on one communication.

When I first came to the forums (I had only recently heard of EF) and I had no clue how active things were here. For a few days, it was super slow and nothing new was posted. I almost thought it was a "dead site" lol. Until I started getting feed back from the forums.

But I do want to say thank you to all of the staff for all the hard work that you all have been putting into the site. Theres been tons of changes (Some good, some that take some getting used to lol) so Thank you for listening to our concerns and making EF a great place to be! :_)
05/29/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by MamaDivine
To be honest though, I don't think that many folks read those "Welcome" letters. Some might, but most sites send out those "heres how things work, heres our FAQ etc etc" letters and most folks will just junk the letter. Least, ...
It is one on one communication.
05/29/2012
Nirelan Nirelan
Thanks for the link to read the EoC! I had no idea what point farming was! Or what was appropriate to flag....This has be them most helpful thread I've read since becoming a member THANK YOu!
06/08/2012
Nirelan Nirelan
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Originally posted by Antipova
Hooray for focus on clear titles!
RIGHT?! LOL
06/08/2012
oldman oldman
I have been editting reviews for less than a month and you would be surprised at the number of reviews that are either complete copies of others' work or put together by cutting and pasting the published revfviews of others. It is at least 10% (from my experience). If you can't do your own review, just don't write!! It isn't required. If you want to write reviews and need help and/or suggestions, pick a mentor--there are many great mentors available.
06/10/2012
Gary Gary
EVERYONE PLEASE! If you edit or read a review that you even think might be copied, please email us immediately. Your emails will remain confidential. We have a zero tolerance policy for plagiarism and we investigate every claim. Thank you!!!!

gary@edenfantasys.com
06/10/2012
VioletMoonstone VioletMoonstone
This is a really good thread and I'm glad it's posted up. I wish that on the forum there were permanent sticky threads, ones that stay at the top at all times with like a picture/bullet next to them to show that it's important. Sort of like how it looks in other forums that I hang out in. Because the next time there's an important post this is probably just going to keep moving down the line when it's something that should be like thread #1 with all the important info new people need to know. It doesn't really stand out so new people might not even see it. I think it should be called something along the lines of a must read rules/regulations for the forums.
06/11/2012
CinLuvsBre CinLuvsBre
I can never find a thread i post on.
06/12/2012
indiechick indiechick
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Originally posted by Gary
EVERYONE PLEASE! If you edit or read a review that you even think might be copied, please email us immediately. Your emails will remain confidential. We have a zero tolerance policy for plagiarism and we investigate every claim. Thank ...
this being said there are only so many ways that the same information can be given. Things like ingredient lists should be the same on multiple reviews and if one person has a problem chances are that other people will to.. I have see reviews where someone accused another person of plagiarizing, but while the content was similar the wording was very different. Just because two people come to the same conclusion about a toy does not mean that they are cheating the system.
06/14/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by indiechick
this being said there are only so many ways that the same information can be given. Things like ingredient lists should be the same on multiple reviews and if one person has a problem chances are that other people will to.. I have see reviews where ...
We are well aware of the definition of plagiarism.
06/15/2012
indiechick indiechick
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Originally posted by Ansley
We are well aware of the definition of plagiarism.
Those that work for the company are, but I thought this was a thread for everyone. I have seen posts on comment pages and in forums under individual products where people are accusing others of plagiarism when they come to the same conclusion about a toy or both include the same description of ingredient lists. Just because people at the top of the company understand a concept does not mean that there is site wide acceptance.
06/15/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by indiechick
Those that work for the company are, but I thought this was a thread for everyone. I have seen posts on comment pages and in forums under individual products where people are accusing others of plagiarism when they come to the same conclusion about ...
What I was trying to say is that the decision is ultimately ours and people can call plagiarism all the want, but it doesn't necessary mean it's true. So, we're basically saying the same thing just in very different ways.

And to add to this - NO ONE and I mean NO ONE should be accusing people of plagiarising - period. If someone suspects something they are to notify us. Telling people what they are and are not doing without concrete evidence does nothing more than stir drama. That's no bueno.
06/15/2012
marrythenight marrythenight
I don't know if it's possible to have something "stickied" in this forum (left permanently at the top of all the other posts), but if so, this should be! I still consider myself a newbie and I find intro/guideline posts very helpful, especially if the forum is a format I'm not used to. Thank you for taking the time to compile this for us!
06/20/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by marrythenight
I don't know if it's possible to have something "stickied" in this forum (left permanently at the top of all the other posts), but if so, this should be! I still consider myself a newbie and I find intro/guideline posts very ...
They are stickied. In the announcements section of the forum, directly underneath the forum categories.
06/20/2012
yarii yarii
thank you!
06/21/2012
yarii yarii
awsome!
06/24/2012
Katelyn Katelyn
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Originally posted by TheSinDoll
For what it's worth, I support Kindred 100% with everything he has said.
I know these guys at EF have been working their asses off.
None of this is easy.

I hope it cleans up.
Good luck y'all.
Maybe we could have a way to flag posts and remove them a lot quicker, just have it be marked as unhelpful? We should all be cleaning up the site ourselves so EF workers don't have to do the most things.
07/20/2012
Ansley Ansley
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Originally posted by Katelyn
Maybe we could have a way to flag posts and remove them a lot quicker, just have it be marked as unhelpful? We should all be cleaning up the site ourselves so EF workers don't have to do the most things.
Flagging posts should only be done in extreme cases.
07/20/2012
digit88 digit88
this should help a lot of beginners
07/20/2012
jfuz jfuz
NICE!
07/22/2012
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